Netherlands pilot scheme to allow women to play in senior men's team

[dunfida]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

Men  playing on a women's league? that would really be too much but you know that odd things do happen on this world. lol.
When it comes into that touching part then theyre fully aware with that and they do still continue on such idea and let that women play in a senior mens team.
This isnt about inequality but rather talks about capacity or capability.Thing here is that there would be some major adjustments needed
when theres a substitution of a player which hadnt been part of the team.It can possible mess up entire gameplay.

[Saint-loup]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

[stomachgrowls]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

We are talking about reality on here where men doesnt have the right to complaint about being harassed by women. hehe. There would be no complaints because man doesnt really put up malice into these kind of touching moments accidentally and the heck on who would complain with that? If they do, then they are just too being sensitive.

Here are some links that do answer about women plays on men sports.
https://www.theperspective.com/debates/living/women-compete-men-sports/
http://www.bfpclinic.com/MedicalServices.cfm?PCID=291&PGID=1862

[ReiMomo]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

This idea made me smile. Lol.
Gender equality is not applicable at all times, we should consider those different factors that maybe will distract the men while they are playing the same as women. I don't know there could an adjustment but we know men are very allergic to women when it comes to touching and in that kind of game we cant avoid the body contact against your opponent.

[Saint-loup]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

We are talking about reality on here where men doesnt have the right to complaint about being harassed by women. hehe. There would be no complaints because man doesnt really put up malice into these kind of touching moments accidentally and the heck on who would complain with that? If they do, then they are just too being sensitive.

Here are some links that do answer about women plays on men sports.
https://www.theperspective.com/debates/living/women-compete-men-sports/
http://www.bfpclinic.com/MedicalServices.cfm?PCID=291&PGID=1862

Hmm I'm not sure it would be accidental every time. It would be very tempting for women to use this weak point if men don't dare to complain about it IMO.

[BuNga_cute]

I am among those who disagree if women are allowed to play football in the senior men's team. Very risk of sexual harassment, because it could
be men's hands touch sensitive parts of women. Even though this woman does have talent, it cannot be justified that women play football in
the senior men's team. I understand if the Dutch did this, because the Dutch government has always issued controversial policies. Hopefully other
countries don't follow what the Dutch Football Association has done by allowing women to play on the senior men's team.

[n0ne]

I am among those who disagree if women are allowed to play football in the senior men's team. Very risk of sexual harassment, because it could
be men's hands touch sensitive parts of women. Even though this woman does have talent, it cannot be justified that women play football in
the senior men's team. I understand if the Dutch did this, because the Dutch government has always issued controversial policies. Hopefully other
countries don't follow what the Dutch Football Association has done by allowing women to play on the senior men's team.

Yes, there is more chance of sexual harassment. Same time we need to be clear, sportsmen aren't that worse to disturb/harass an women sexually. My only thought is about inferiority, men will try to make her feel inferior even if she does a good play.

[Rengga Jati]

Is it allowed in the regulation? It will be a mixed team, right? And If the team has considered the pros and cons, I am sure that she is amazing and has more quality, power, and also skills than any other man that is selected probably.
But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

[maydna]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

This idea made me smile. Lol.
Gender equality is not applicable at all times, we should consider those different factors that maybe will distract the men while they are playing the same as women. I don't know there could an adjustment but we know men are very allergic to women when it comes to touching and in that kind of game we cant avoid the body contact against your opponent.

Me too. An idea was pop up in my head. I will be the first who have accidentally touched them, and I really sorry for them
Perhaps, it should separate by men and women because there is a boundary between us which can't always in one team. Many things can happen in women play in senior men's teams, and men will have many ideas to have body contact with women. Besides that, sexual abuse can happen too, and men can't be blamed for that because they touched women's body by accidentally.

[coin-investor]

But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

I voted not a chance even if the candidate has a good build-up, he cannot catch up the way man play and she will just a become a wallflower for the team and she cannot be included in the crucial plays of the team, she will just become a target of the opposing team, there will always better candidate for that position for man, instead of taking woman, they have their own league to play.

[AndySt]

But, I wonder about these words: amateur women, is it really? So what kind of criteria it will be required? How are about the men that have better and better criteria?
But let's see how this rule will be going on and accepted later again

I voted not a chance even if the candidate has a good build-up, he cannot catch up the way man play and she will just a become a wallflower for the team and she cannot be included in the crucial plays of the team, she will just become a target of the opposing team, there will always better candidate for that position for man, instead of taking woman, they have their own league to play.

Then it is better to make the option of a separate mixed league, as in other sports, or even then cancel the league on a gender basis. I have nothing against tolerance, I will say even more that in many cases I agree with such rhetoric, but to promote a woman to the MEN's league is already a bit too much. It is one thing when women work as referees at matches, but it is completely different when it comes directly to the gameplay itself.

[ene1980]

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LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

If there are parts that cannot be touched by your team mate or your opponent while playing a sport then you should not play the game  .It is not even a level playing field and what ever genetically mutation they do they will not match the speed of men  . There are crazier things happening in the world and let them experiment .

[Mauser]

I would like to know if this is going to have a some implications for us gambkers. Is a mixed team going to perform better than a pure male team? I would assume that the connection and interaction between guys is likely to be different when there is a female around. Maybe this is going to help out a team, or it might complicated things. Unfortunately there is no real data yet for such teams.

[FIFA worldcup]

Very unlikely, maybe there are some senior or premier teams that allow women to play together but the pilot doesn't feel like it will work because no other team has followed that way. Indeed, this is a form of gender equality but I don't think this kind of move would be right, what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports? There are already many women's leagues running, is that still not enough? So I think, not all things have to be done simultaneously, because there is still a chance for women to get a special women's league and that's enough for gender equality. Instead of women playing ball at the same time as men, why not the other way around like men playing with women in the women's league? lol

LOL it would be the same for men :  "what if there are parts that are accidentally touched, will it be a form of harassment in sports?"
Or do you mean men can't be harassed by women?

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

[robelneo]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

[bryant.coleman]

If this is the Dutch idea of women empowerment, then I feel really sorry for them. Equal opportunity is what the women need, not preferential treatment. What they are going to achieve, by placing women in men's team? There is not even a 0.0001% chance that the player would be able to compete against the male players. BTW, male players are already being included in the women's teams, under the label of "transgenders".

[ethereumhunter]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

That is what I am worried about if women are playing with men because that can trigger the other problem. It is not just about different physical structures, but how the league should think more not to include females in the teams. If the league still tries to include females in male teams, they will get some critic from society, which can attract demonstration from people who do not agree with that.

[Mahanton]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Touching body parts? It cant really be avoided into this kind of games which means physical harassment is really common and that's the problem
when you do really allow women to play on mens league or sports.Even if its not intentional then people would really find it odd.
I don't know on what considerations they are really try to push of because its not really that appealing to see for some mix up.
It should be divided equally when in talks of gender.

[Vaskiy]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Touching body parts? It cant really be avoided into this kind of games which means physical harassment is really common and that's the problem
when you do really allow women to play on mens league or sports.Even if its not intentional then people would really find it odd.
I don't know on what considerations they are really try to push of because its not really that appealing to see for some mix up.
It should be divided equally when in talks of gender.

If this was about some other game, then it could've been a success. With soccer stamina is important, I don't say women doesn't have stamina but in a team a single women will surely fail against men. If the match is being lost, surely the responsibility or the rest of the players will simply point her as the reason.

[aoluain]

Most harassment is only used for women and it is very few occasions where we see that male are harassed by females. Due to different physical structure of men and women, it will not be a good idea to include females in male teams.

You are right buddy even if men do not have intention to touch the woman's body or harass it because of the game, people who will see it will feel offended, because in other country where society is sensitive to women they will feel offended, the league should understand this, man and woman are not created equal in some ways and it's something that is hard to ignore.

Touching body parts? It cant really be avoided into this kind of games which means physical harassment is really common and that's the problem
when you do really allow women to play on mens league or sports.Even if its not intentional then people would really find it odd.
I don't know on what considerations they are really try to push of because its not really that appealing to see for some mix up.
It should be divided equally when in talks of gender.

If this was about some other game, then it could've been a success. With soccer stamina is important, I don't say women doesn't have stamina but in a team a single women will surely fail against men. If the match is being lost, surely the responsibility or the rest of the players will simply point her as the reason.

This doesnt come into play in the lower tier leagues because if this lady Elle Fokkema
is really talented it will stand up against less talented males in a 4th tier league.

As has been mentioned already women competing at the top tier of mens soccer is "less likely"
to happen unless the woman is comparable in strength and conditioning as men.

If the team is managed in a professional and responsible way harrassment shouldnt happen
but isnt a guarantee it wont unfortunately.