Fauci says the vaccine will only be about 50% effective.

[madnessteat]

I don't trust governments, but I trust vaccines... Having intimate knowledge of the subject really helps you tone down all the background noise... Vaccines help.

I don't trust either the government or those who offer vaccines. In my view, humanity must defeat viruses naturally, not with the vaccines they are trying to impose on us.

[Jet Cash]

You know that vaccines damage your health, and are not fit for the publicly advertised purpose. One can only suspect that the same applies to the governments. They are usually out of office by the time the chickens come home.

[BADecker]

You know that vaccines damage your health, and are not fit for the publicly advertised purpose. One can only suspect that the same applies to the governments. They are usually out of office by the time the chickens come home.

Government is a trick used against people. How is it a trick? If any individual walking down the street tried to take your freedoms away like government does, you just might deck him.

The interesting thing is that it is NEVER government that takes your freedom away. It IS an individual who sometimes walks down the street who is taking your freedom away. He/she is using what they call government to trick you, and hide from you the fact that they are government.

In the UK, if any individual or group in government harms you, figure out the amount of damage they did in British pounds. Then invoice them. When they don't pay, take them individually, man-to-man, to Queen's Bench court. Don't represent yourself or have a barrister represent you. Stand PRESENT in court. This way they will have to stand present, as well. They won't have government protection for the governmental process they put in place that damaged you. They are the ones who damaged you, not a thing called government.

There are groups in the UK doing this. Look for them.

Karl Lentz 199 - Queens Bench - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEZZ__3BCSE

Karl Lentz 250 - Understanding the nature of Queens Bench - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi7CkqPLuBY

Karl Lentz 241 - Bali's father's case - part 1 - conditional acceptance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFO0XDgibo

Karl Lentz 195 - Bring the law into the court, Queens Bench, and being placed in a dock - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJIe2e0sjA

[squatz1]

From personal observation, I reckon that 80% of the UK has immunity. and one of the papers this morning puts it as high as 90% ( outside care homes ). It's hard to find sensible information, as the money Pharmers seem to suppress and distort everything. There is also considerable blocking of content as a result of legal threats. Just try to find information about the $500 million compensation fund that PayPal had to set up because it was misusing clients funds. That was all over the net for a week or two, and then it vanished, just as PayPal relocated outside the US.

Did you just say 80% of UK has immunity based on your own personal observation? Is that based on you thinking that 80% of people in the UK have already have it, or that their body just has a natutal immunity to COVID?

Very curious on the line of thinking there. Because here's my line of thinking:

CDC says that we probably catch 1/10 cases that actually have COVID. Meaning that for every 10 cases that there really are, only one of them are caught by tests. Lets consider this for New York where they have about 474k cases that have been confirmed. From that, you could say that another 10x the amount of people have it. So that would mean that 4.7m people in New York had it at a point.

Just for context 20m people live in New York meaning that even on the high end of the scale, that would mean that only about 25% of NY had Corona. Herd immunity isn't achieved until you hit about 75-80%

[Spendulus]

....
Did you just say 80% of UK has immunity based on your own personal observation? Is that based on you thinking that 80% of people in the UK have already have it, or that their body just has a natutal immunity to COVID?

Very curious on the line of thinking there. Because here's my line of thinking:

CDC says that we probably catch 1/10 cases that actually have COVID. Meaning that for every 10 cases that there really are, only one of them are caught by tests. Lets consider this for New York where they have about 474k cases that have been confirmed. From that, you could say that another 10x the amount of people have it. So that would mean that 4.7m people in New York had it at a point.

Just for context 20m people live in New York meaning that even on the high end of the scale, that would mean that only about 25% of NY had Corona. Herd immunity isn't achieved until you hit about 75-80%

But about 3/4 of the biped entities in NY are zombie Demorats, and I don't think they catch covid. So of the remaining 25%, the real living breathing humans, they should have herd immunity by now.

[franky1]

CDC says that we probably catch 1/10 cases that actually have COVID. Meaning that for every 10 cases that there really are, only one of them are caught by tests. Lets consider this for New York where they have about 474k cases that have been confirmed. From that, you could say that another 10x the amount of people have it. So that would mean that 4.7m people in New York had it at a point.

Just for context 20m people live in New York meaning that even on the high end of the scale, that would mean that only about 25% of NY had Corona. Herd immunity isn't achieved until you hit about 75-80%

for once your actually quite accurate
in some area's of NY some neighbourhoods had 69% some had 59% and some had 13%. calculating the populations over all they suggest NY the epicenter city had ~26% overall spread

then outside the city in NY state.. the numbers went below 13%
then outside NY state the numbers were even lower

best guess is about 5% is the upper max spread of all americans. (but suggestions are much lower)
funny part is idiots like say badecker who was crying that the lockdown was implemented in his state(arizona) when case numbers were super low.. thus admitting less cases in his state/no cases(when he flips to virus is fake)) .. but then says that his state is somehow then at herd immunity the next time he flips..
thus contradicting his other words
its just stupid how these idiots pretend the virus is fake then suddenly flip to say people already had it. and then even more stupid to say its important to be 'herd immune' while not realising if they really thought it was fake/not harmful. then immunity wont be important as there is no harm

it just shows how stupid these 'we need herd immunity' people are because they dont even understand the crap the talk about

[franky1]

by the way jetcash

UK NHS is not funded by corporate insurers or funded by big pharma
UK NHS is funded by the treasury

instead of reading americanised conspiracy sites and then quoting them as if your talking about UK situation..

actually look at the real UK situation and study the UK statistics.

[BADecker]

and the foolish thing badecker keeps forgetting. because he has been told this many times

that the confirmation of covid is not by pure PCR
its actually if you simplify it down a 3 step process and PCR is the middle part

when saying PCR alone wont confirm covid. that is true. because it needs steps before PCR and steps after PCR to be the full confirming test parameters

once badecker remembers that he has been told that its the chemicals to isolate the virus(1) the PCR to replicate them(2) the chemicals to test for them(3)

that stage 2 alone wont work as it doesnt know what its replicating and doesnt then verify its replicated what it should have

stage 1 and 3 do that
and thats the stupid thing badecker and his fellow clowns keep avoiding. the fact that a covid test is much more than just (2)pcr

there is actually more risk of fault/error at stages 1 and 3 than at stage 2. and if badecker realised the stages involved he would understand how important it is to get stages 1 and 3 right because 1 and 3 are the important parts..

its like making a cake the important parts are the ingrediants and the icing afterwards
you can make a cake in many different ovens or even microwaves but if the ingredients are not right it wont make a cake. and if the icing after aint right it wont look like a cake

badecker this and is trying to suggest that a specific oven is the main ingrediant sorry. but no and if a oven is branded as roaast dinner oven then is should never be used to bake a cake

not relaising the secret to baking a cake is in the ingrediants and the icing..

the other part of the "scientifically meaningless" is that having covid or not is real. but the test has no context of informing if that person being tested is severly symptomatic or just a cough or assymptomatic. thus the test alone doesnt help scientists work out the severity of sickness
so the test combined with data of another source of things like hospitalisation rates is more helpful as combined info

yes more tests = more people having it. but when combining it with hospitalisation data.
(take UK stats of ~800 a day test positive and 150 hospitalised = 18% severity of those tested)
thus the data of covid tests becomes more meaningful when used in combination with other data

When you have 100% Covid indicated by PCR, the other steps don't matter.

[squatz1]

From personal observation, I reckon that 80% of the UK has immunity. and one of the papers this morning puts it as high as 90% ( outside care homes ). It's hard to find sensible information, as the money Pharmers seem to suppress and distort everything. There is also considerable blocking of content as a result of legal threats. Just try to find information about the $500 million compensation fund that PayPal had to set up because it was misusing clients funds. That was all over the net for a week or two, and then it vanished, just as PayPal relocated outside the US.

Did you just say 80% of UK has immunity based on your own personal observation? Is that based on you thinking that 80% of people in the UK have already have it, or that their body just has a natutal immunity to COVID?

Very curious on the line of thinking there. Because here's my line of thinking:

CDC says that we probably catch 1/10 cases that actually have COVID. Meaning that for every 10 cases that there really are, only one of them are caught by tests. Lets consider this for New York where they have about 474k cases that have been confirmed. From that, you could say that another 10x the amount of people have it. So that would mean that 4.7m people in New York had it at a point.

Just for context 20m people live in New York meaning that even on the high end of the scale, that would mean that only about 25% of NY had Corona. Herd immunity isn't achieved until you hit about 75-80%

for once your actually quite accurate
in some area's of NY some neighbourhoods had 69% some had 59% and some had 13%. calculating the populations over all they suggest NY the epicenter city had ~26% overall spread

then outside the city in NY state.. the numbers went below 13%
then outside NY state the numbers were even lower

best guess is about 5% is the upper max spread of all americans. (but suggestions are much lower)
funny part is idiots like say badecker who was crying that the lockdown was implemented in his state(arizona) when case numbers were super low.. thus admitting less cases in his state/no cases(when he flips to virus is fake)) .. but then says that his state is somehow then at herd immunity the next time he flips..
thus contradicting his other words
its just stupid how these idiots pretend the virus is fake then suddenly flip to say people already had it. and then even more stupid to say its important to be 'herd immune' while not realising if they really thought it was fake/not harmful. then immunity wont be important as there is no harm

it just shows how stupid these 'we need herd immunity' people are because they dont even understand the crap the talk about

Heh, not sure who exactly I've been inaccurate in recent communications, though it is totally possible.

But back onto the topic here. Yeah - some areas were totally harder hit then others and MAY have herd immunity just within that particular community. Still though, in one of the hardest hit states in regards to cases (second to California and now Florida) they are still not even CLOSE to the numbers we would have to hit to have herd immunity come into effect.

The amount of death and illness that was seen on New York was horrible, imagine doubling the amount of people sick and a bit more?

Not a good idea at all. All this talk about your immune system and herd immunity is from people who don't understand how herd immunity works.

Herd immunity can work, yes, but you need 70-80% of the population to get COVID. No one wants that.

[BADecker]

Fauci says the vaccine will only be about 50% effective.


That's because he knows it will only be about 10% effective.     

[BADecker]

From personal observation, I reckon that 80% of the UK has immunity. and one of the papers this morning puts it as high as 90% ( outside care homes ). It's hard to find sensible information, as the money Pharmers seem to suppress and distort everything. There is also considerable blocking of content as a result of legal threats. Just try to find information about the $500 million compensation fund that PayPal had to set up because it was misusing clients funds. That was all over the net for a week or two, and then it vanished, just as PayPal relocated outside the US.

Did you just say 80% of UK has immunity based on your own personal observation? Is that based on you thinking that 80% of people in the UK have already have it, or that their body just has a natutal immunity to COVID?

Very curious on the line of thinking there. Because here's my line of thinking:

CDC says that we probably catch 1/10 cases that actually have COVID. Meaning that for every 10 cases that there really are, only one of them are caught by tests. Lets consider this for New York where they have about 474k cases that have been confirmed. From that, you could say that another 10x the amount of people have it. So that would mean that 4.7m people in New York had it at a point.

Just for context 20m people live in New York meaning that even on the high end of the scale, that would mean that only about 25% of NY had Corona. Herd immunity isn't achieved until you hit about 75-80%

for once your actually quite accurate
in some area's of NY some neighbourhoods had 69% some had 59% and some had 13%. calculating the populations over all they suggest NY the epicenter city had ~26% overall spread

then outside the city in NY state.. the numbers went below 13%
then outside NY state the numbers were even lower

best guess is about 5% is the upper max spread of all americans. (but suggestions are much lower)
funny part is idiots like say badecker who was crying that the lockdown was implemented in his state(arizona) when case numbers were super low.. thus admitting less cases in his state/no cases(when he flips to virus is fake)) .. but then says that his state is somehow then at herd immunity the next time he flips..
thus contradicting his other words
its just stupid how these idiots pretend the virus is fake then suddenly flip to say people already had it. and then even more stupid to say its important to be 'herd immune' while not realising if they really thought it was fake/not harmful. then immunity wont be important as there is no harm

it just shows how stupid these 'we need herd immunity' people are because they dont even understand the crap the talk about

Heh, not sure who exactly I've been inaccurate in recent communications, though it is totally possible.

But back onto the topic here. Yeah - some areas were totally harder hit then others and MAY have herd immunity just within that particular community. Still though, in one of the hardest hit states in regards to cases (second to California and now Florida) they are still not even CLOSE to the numbers we would have to hit to have herd immunity come into effect.

The amount of death and illness that was seen on New York was horrible, imagine doubling the amount of people sick and a bit more?

Not a good idea at all. All this talk about your immune system and herd immunity is from people who don't understand how herd immunity works.

Herd immunity can work, yes, but you need 70-80% of the population to get COVID. No one wants that.

Herd immunity doesn't mean that nobody will get sick. All it means is that most won't get sick.

I think the whole country has herd immunity, and only the few are getting sick.

[franky1]

When you have 100% Covid indicated by PCR, the other steps don't matter.

this is why i think you have no clue

PCR diagnosed covid
analogy
doctor diagnosed illness

what your not understanding is that the doctor uses extra things you dont know to come to the diagnoses
even if an umbrella term is 'doctor' or 'pcr' is used along side diagnosed.. alot more goes into it
other parts, equipment, and processes are involved


once you realise the process involved in a covid test the reagents, primers pipettes, centrifuges, scanners enzymes and other diagnostic stuff..
you start to realise the most important thing. that you just had no clue whats involved

[BADecker]

When you have 100% Covid indicated by PCR, the other steps don't matter.

this is why i think you have no clue

PCR diagnosed covid
analogy
doctor diagnosed illness

what your not understanding is that the doctor uses extra things you dont know to come to the diagnoses
even if an umbrella term is 'doctor' or 'pcr' is used along side diagnosed.. alot more goes into it
other parts, equipment, and processes are involved


once you realise the process involved in a covid test the reagents, primers pipettes, centrifuges, scanners enzymes and other diagnostic stuff..
you start to realise the most important thing. that you just had no clue whats involved

This is why anybody can know that you don't have any clue. Even the creator of the PCR test said that it wasn't supposed to be used for diagnosis.

When PCR is used, the more it is used in a locality, the greater the percentage of whatever it is looking for. This means that even if Covid exists in only 1% of the people, constant use of PCR will gradually bring the look of it up to 100%.

You are so in the dark ages, franky1.

[franky1]

PCR is just a machine. that was not designed for covid. it had multiple purposes

its the specific chemicals and other equipment that is used in combination that is the diagnostic mechanism for covid

yes it includes centrifuges during this PCR test
and the funny part is you think only centrifuges alone is all that needed and you have many times been crying out that centrifuges is the only way..

not realising that its a combination of many processes in one

a centrifuge alone is meaningless. because you then have to extract and the test the bit you extracted.
so dont play dumb thinking a centrifuge alone is the real way
so dont play dumb that PCR is the alone process and thus not the real way

and just wake up and understand theres more complexity to it of multiples processes under the umbrella term 'pcr test'

[BADecker]

^^^ So THAT's why the more you test with the PCR, the higher your rate of Covid infection goes, until it's 100%. Hey, thanks for the info.

[Vilagra]

I don't trust governments, but I trust vaccines... Having intimate knowledge of the subject really helps you tone down all the background noise... Vaccines help.

I don't trust either the government or those who offer vaccines. In my view, humanity must defeat viruses naturally, not with the vaccines they are trying to impose on us.

I agree with you. But of course this doesn't bring profit to the companies. We must work on our immune system, not wait till the vaccine arrives.

[BADecker]

I don't trust governments, but I trust vaccines... Having intimate knowledge of the subject really helps you tone down all the background noise... Vaccines help.

I don't trust either the government or those who offer vaccines. In my view, humanity must defeat viruses naturally, not with the vaccines they are trying to impose on us.

I agree with you. But of course this doesn't bring profit to the companies. We must work on our immune system, not wait till the vaccine arrives.

Or get hydroxychloroquine + zinc. But if HCQ isn't abailable, get one of its many sister medications.

[Dorodha]

Governments usually add their own interests also don't believe that thus far no government has been ready to take the proper steps to stop the virus. most are protecting themselves until the vaccine arrives. Fawcett is true that the vaccine are going to be about 50% effective because nobody has yet invented a vaccine to regulate the virus. and every one of this is often happening during a in no time time and out of the traditional trend of creating antidotes. there's no guarantee that this antidote will add any room.

[BADecker]

Governments usually add their own interests also don't believe that thus far no government has been ready to take the proper steps to stop the virus. most are protecting themselves until the vaccine arrives. Fawcett is true that the vaccine are going to be about 50% effective because nobody has yet invented a vaccine to regulate the virus. and every one of this is often happening during a in no time time and out of the traditional trend of creating antidotes. there's no guarantee that this antidote will add any room.

Trump is moving to stop the senseless pandemic.

Who Is Dr. Scott Atlas? Trump's New Covid Health Adviser Seen As Counter To Fauci And Birx - https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/08/12/who-is-dr-scott-atlas-trumps-new-covid-health-adviser-seen-as-counter-to-fauci-and-birx/#ae4b34a20a4f

[franky1]

trump is no expert. so looking for an adviser that jsut kisses pesidents ass rather than telling him the facts is not a good idea

atlas has been kissing many poliitcians ass for years and is more motivated by politics than by biology/fact

i cant see this going well as it will just turn into an echo chamber of whatever delusions trump comes up with just being repeated by atlas

other experts dont fear correcting idiots and thats whats best.
just hearing idiots and then hearing what idiots say get repeated by others. is never good