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August 11, 2020, 12:53:56 PM
Last edit: August 11, 2020, 01:55:34 PM by Charles-Tim
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When I was reading the news, these were the key points:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said a locally developed vaccine for Covid-19 has been given regulatory approval after less than two months of testing on humans.

Amid fears that safety could have been compromised, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged Russia last week to follow international guidelines for producing a vaccine against Covid-19.

Currently, the Russian vaccine is not among the WHO's list of six vaccines that have reached phase three clinical trials, which involve more widespread testing in humans.

Russian scientists said early-stage trials of the vaccine had been completed and the results were a success.

The Russian vaccine uses adapted strains of the adenovirus, a virus that usually causes the common cold, to trigger an immune response.

But the vaccine's approval by Russian regulators comes before the completion of a larger study involving thousands of people, known as a phase-three trial.

You can read the full news from the link below
BBC News - Coronavirus: Putin says vaccine has been approved for use
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53735718

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August 11, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
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It's a welcoming and significant development for sure.

But on the other hand, most counties have seen the struggle for covid-19 vaccine as being a struggle for supremacy among other nations and not necessarily a struggle to save the world. The aggressive and speedy progress from some countries who are eager to be declared premier on possible victory on one of the worst outbreaks in the world be (Covid-19) is something to worry about as well because this assumable competition would possibly led to an unreliable cure which could turn to be harmful or give people a false sense of security about their immunity. Global health experts had warned that most countries are skipping some of the critical and large-scale testing that is essential to determine if a possible covid-19 protection is safe and effective.

Disclaimer: I don't mean 'Sputnik V' is one of those.
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August 11, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
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When I was reading the news, these were the key points:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said a locally developed vaccine for Covid-19 has been given regulatory approval after less than two months of testing on humans.

Amid fears that safety could have been compromised, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged Russia last week to follow international guidelines for producing a vaccine against Covid-19.

Currently, the Russian vaccine is not among the WHO's list of six vaccines that have reached phase three clinical trials, which involve more widespread testing in humans.

Russian scientists said early-stage trials of the vaccine had been completed and the results were a success.

The Russian vaccine uses adapted strains of the adenovirus, a virus that usually causes the common cold, to trigger an immune response.

But the vaccine's approval by Russian regulators comes before the completion of a larger study involving thousands of people, known as a phase-three trial.

You can read the full news from the link below
BBC News - Coronavirus: Putin says vaccine has been approved for use
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53735718



@Charles-Tim yea I saw this news too and I’m skeptical about Russia’s claim, and furthermore I don’t expect anyone to try it unless WHO and other medical bodies can certify that this vaccine is safe. Also I hope that Russia’s citizens will give it a miss, otherwise they’ll be risking their life’s on an untried vaccine who’s side effects are yet not known to us.
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August 11, 2020, 01:59:38 PM
Last edit: August 11, 2020, 03:21:40 PM by franky1
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russia 'mass vaccination campaign' is not a full population campaign
its a phase 3 study of a few thousand people.. mainly doctors and teachers(people in professions that usually know how to report things and not be stupid about reporting things) thus the results from this 'mass' would actually be more accurate than other studies

america for instance will accept anyone from any background. meaning they might get more flawed results with people stupidly saying their 23yo son who didnt get the vaccine suddenly is diagnosed with autism 'because' the mother volunteered for the vaccine (usual vaccine autism nonsense random idiots say)

some will say the vaccine failed due to the cellphone usage.(usual 5g nonsense) even though they ddnt get sick. they just read somewhere that cellphones destroy stuff so assume it failed based on the stupid article they read

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i find it really funny how some idiots take the word 'mass' from the reality of more then a dozen(meaning a few thousand) but then pretend it means full population..
i think the joke is on the idiots that dont check the facts beyond the first google search link they find

,, heres some good reading about the only doctors and teachers bits the OP didnt actually read
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53621708
yea its filled with snip bits of 'russian hackers' and stuff.. to spoil the relevant parts..

but for added fun
the BBC reports how the UK's phase 2 has already got a deal that has already made 100million doses of its version for british use..
the funny parts are UK is only phase 2 stage also. but already preping for mass population usage
and also 100m doses just for the UK...... theres only 65mill people and not everyone will needs/want it..


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August 11, 2020, 02:03:51 PM
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When I was reading the news, these were the key points:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said a locally developed vaccine for Covid-19 has been given regulatory approval after less than two months of testing on humans.

Amid fears that safety could have been compromised, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged Russia last week to follow international guidelines for producing a vaccine against Covid-19.

Currently, the Russian vaccine is not among the WHO's list of six vaccines that have reached phase three clinical trials, which involve more widespread testing in humans.

Russian scientists said early-stage trials of the vaccine had been completed and the results were a success.

The Russian vaccine uses adapted strains of the adenovirus, a virus that usually causes the common cold, to trigger an immune response.

But the vaccine's approval by Russian regulators comes before the completion of a larger study involving thousands of people, known as a phase-three trial.

You can read the full news from the link below
BBC News - Coronavirus: Putin says vaccine has been approved for use
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53735718


I would trust a word coming from Putin's mouth. Trusting Russians is just plain stupid.  These people say one thing, think another and do yet another, all while being half drunk.  Most are moral and ethical degenerates.

They can have it.

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August 11, 2020, 02:55:02 PM
Last edit: August 11, 2020, 04:18:38 PM by Charles-Tim
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but for added fun
the BBC reports how the UK's phase 2 has already got a deal that has already made 100million doses of its version for british use..
the funny parts are UK is only phase 2 stage also. but already preping for mass population usage
and also 100m doses just for the UK...... theres only 65mill people and not everyone will needs/want it..
This is not fun at all, you have actually pointed out the truth. I have gone through the link you provided and from it I saw another link:

Oxford vaccine triggers immune response
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53469839

Because of the short period of time, they have not run for long enough to understand how long the antibodies (against the virus) produced by the body will last, the study in the Lancet showed. But, as time goes on, this will be known. Over 90% UK patient that were given one dose of the vaccine showed positive result while the remianing 10% people showed positive result after given 2 doeses of the vaccine. You are right. And this is just still second phase of testing.

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August 11, 2020, 03:24:57 PM
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but for added fun
the BBC reports how the UK's phase 2 has already got a deal that has already made 100million doses of its version for british use..
the funny parts are UK is only phase 2 stage also. but already preping for mass population usage
and also 100m doses just for the UK...... theres only 65mill people and not everyone will needs/want it..
This is not fun at all, you have actually pointed out the truth. I have gone through the link you provided and from it I saw another link:

Oxford vaccine triggers immune response
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53469839

Because of the short period of time, they have not run for long enough to understand how long the antibodies (against the virus) produced by the body will last, the study in the Lancet showed. But, as time goes on, this will be known. Over 90% UK patient that were given one dose of the vaccine showed positive result while the remianing 10% people showed positive result after given 2 doeses of the vaccine. So, UK has gone far beyond. You are right. And this is just still second phase of testing.

my point is
while russia done its phase 2 and is doing a phase 3 with doctos and teachers in october. where russia is not promoting it has millions of doses prepped for mass population

bbc is saying how the UK is still at the phase 2 also done phase 3 simultaneously(wheres UK's wait and see)
and also produced 100m doses ready and is yet  phase 2 isnt finished and yet to finish phase 3

heck even america will make millions of doses before actually getting to phase 3

kinda funny at the hypocrisy
(by the way im british yet i can see the irony/hypocrisy in my own countries media announcements)

remember
BBC Says UK is mid way thought 2&3, already marketed/produced 100m doses. yet to get final rests of 2or3
BBC says russia passed phase 2 and yet to market/produce mass amounts. and will start phase 3 in october
while also prepping millions of doses
..
reality.
both UK and russia are going to do phase 3 .. WHILST manufacturing(but not releasing hundreds of millions of doses)
russia's plan is the same as the UK plan.. just worded biasedly to make russia look bad and uk look better. yet its the same thing if you untwist the wording

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reality.
both UK and russia are going to do phase 3 .. WHILST manufacturing(but not releasing hundreds of millions of doses)
russia's plan is the same as the UK plan.. just worded biasedly to make russia look bad and uk look better. yet its the same thing if you untwist the wording
You are right. And we should hope for best outcome of the phase 3.

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In addition, the only way anybody, Russia included, can do safety studies, is to do them over time. Generally speaking, 4 or 5 years are needed for safety studies. If Russia has done those, they already had their vaccine 4 or 5 years ago or more. This might be possible for Coronavirus, or for SARS, but not for Covid-19, except that Covid has been around for all that time, and the whole pandemic thing was planned long ago.

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he seem to be guaranteeing its effectiveness that he said his daughters had been vaccinated.

why risk his daughters if its not tested. i think this will really be a good development for all. whether UK or Russia will be the first to provide, either of them will do as long as it could help all of us to continue living the normal life. this lockdown seem stopping the kids to learn in school.



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August 11, 2020, 04:46:52 PM
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he seem to be guaranteeing its effectiveness that he said his daughters had been vaccinated.

why risk his daughters if its not tested. i think this will really be a good development for all. whether UK or Russia will be the first to provide, either of them will do as long as it could help all of us to continue living the normal life. this lockdown seem stopping the kids to learn in school.

Note that there are differences in vaccines produced by different countries. If his daughters got the dead virus in a saline solution, they might be totally safe. It's when you add all kinds of garbage like dead-baby cells, and mercury, and aluminum, and formaldehyde, and monkey parts, and who knows what else - like they do in America - that things become dangerous.

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Excellent, it so happens that my country is in good relation with Putin. Should it come from USA or UK, we would not see a pint of it until next year, if ever. And Trump wouldn't allow export of it anyway.

China also has 3 vaccines in testing, but i guess Russia rushed it (first post lol), Putin went so far as to place his own daughter at risk...

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It's when you add all kinds of garbage like mercury and monkey parts, and who knows what else

(facepalm) your stuck in the 1960's

you get more meth-mercury from eating one plate of fish than a dozen 1960's vaccines.
as for worrying about monkey kidneys. wel again worry more about the fish guts contaminating the filleted fish

i am not a vegan and i love meat. and thats why i know the 'harm' from the amount of kidney cells and mercury is of no consequence. so the harm from vaccine adjuncts in 1960's even even less consequential

by the way methyl-murcury and ethyl-mercury are not the same
its like alcohol vs crystal meth on the scale of risk
yes 1960's meth' was bad. but on a consequential scale of the amount you have .. not really
modern ethyl is safer. and on a consequential scale of the amount you have. even safer

but hey. go tell people to drink your 5 drops of chlorine(0.2ml) vs and avoid ethylmerc(0.005ml)

i know some vegans say dont eat red meat because it causes cancer.. no
the potassium salts used for preserving red meat do. salt brine preservatives in chicken do
and thats because they use a hell of a lot of salts and preservatives

EG chicken can be inflated by atleast 20% salt brine.
so worrying about 0.001% of something and still eating 20% of another. just makes you look like a fool by putting so much effort into the 0.001% thing

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August 11, 2020, 07:35:41 PM
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Excellent, it so happens that my country is in good relation with Putin. Should it come from USA or UK, we would not see a pint of it until next year, if ever. And Trump wouldn't allow export of it anyway.

China also has 3 vaccines in testing, but i guess Russia rushed it (first post lol), Putin went so far as to place his own daughter at risk...
And also it could be a proud related thing for Russia against other developed nation, especially with USA because Russia still got bullied for not reaching the moon first so this is like Vaccine race between the countries to make themselves as better in the health care system.

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And also it could be a proud related thing for Russia against other developed nation, especially with USA because Russia still got bullied for not reaching the moon first so this is like Vaccine race between the countries to make themselves as better in the health care system.

russia is part of the international agreement where it will share the vaccine
part of the national agreement is to offset some amounts for the most needed country at the time

right now thats brazil but by october it might be somewhere else. so although they are going to be prepping factories to mass produce vaccines while doing the phase 3
other countries already started prepping factories.
yep UK has 100m and has not said which counties get priority yet. yep100m and they havnt even finished phase 2 even though they started phase 3

i know im repeating myself but it just needs emphasising as some readers take time before it sinks in that there is more to a topic title than the title suggests

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When I was reading the news, these were the key points:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said a locally developed vaccine for Covid-19 has been given regulatory approval after less than two months of testing on humans.

Amid fears that safety could have been compromised, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged Russia last week to follow international guidelines for producing a vaccine against Covid-19.

Currently, the Russian vaccine is not among the WHO's list of six vaccines that have reached phase three clinical trials, which involve more widespread testing in humans.

Russian scientists said early-stage trials of the vaccine had been completed and the results were a success.

The Russian vaccine uses adapted strains of the adenovirus, a virus that usually causes the common cold, to trigger an immune response.

But the vaccine's approval by Russian regulators comes before the completion of a larger study involving thousands of people, known as a phase-three trial.

You can read the full news from the link below
BBC News - Coronavirus: Putin says vaccine has been approved for use
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53735718


I would trust a word coming from Putin's mouth. Trusting Russians is just plain stupid.  These people say one thing, think another and do yet another, all while being half drunk.  Most are moral and ethical degenerates.

They can have it.

Wow I have more than 1 Russian friend that is not a moral or ethical degenerate.

That said they are no further ahead than a few other countries. No one has tested 10,000 people for 6 months which is a bare minimum to even declare it is 'safe'

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The key to 'success' in vaxx-land is to choose a target ailment which isn't a problem.  Marketing, fake news, and fake science will handle the rest.

Put a big green check-mark in front of 'SARS-CoV-2' for something which, if it exists at all, is completely non-problematic and most people are already immune to anyway.  That's probably why something like 150 'vaccine makers' popped up out of the woodwork to try their hand at a 'covid-19 vaccine.'  Anyone who can fill a syringe with saline can be a successful 'covid-19 vaccine maker.'


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Let's just hope and pray that this vaccine would be the real deal because if this really works, it could definitely save millions of lives not to mention that it could alleviate fear and anxiety among humanity.

Now I think we cannot underestimate Russia's capacity to develop such vaccines but I still have some reservations since my country has been previously subjected to controversy related to mass administration of vaccines which in this case was  a Dengue vaccine.

This scandal was caused by poor coordination with the vaccine manufacturer with regards to vaccine's side effects and my Goverment's negligence to take certain precautions before implementing the mass vaccination program which unfortunately caused deaths among a few number of children.



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August 12, 2020, 04:01:14 AM
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the world is racing against time because of the covid pandemic which has not yet been able to handle which is encouraging or until the stage where there is no more transmission and is finished completely.
Immediately there is a need for vaccines and medicinal drugs so that this pandemic will end soon or at least a very significant transmission will not occur again.

So with the discovery that occurred in Russia where it was tested in the third fae (phase to humans), of course it is good news, and Russia is trying that the third phase can be completed soon and can be mass produced immediately.
but there is also some discouraging news that the vaccine has not been recognized, this could make the atmosphere even less conducive.

we know that in several countries such as China and my country also do,  the vaccines even though my country is originally from China. have also tested the vaccine in the third phase but the results to be obtained still need more time. in my country it is estimated that it will be completed in 2021 and will only be mass produced after the third phase of the mass test runs with satisfactory results.

where we are chased by time, but the existing vaccines still need a long time, clearly this is alarming news. Russia is one of those who dared to do the acceleration to be able to immediately overcome the pandemic which will end soon. We have to appreciate the Russian state in this regard, hopefully it can be used quickly and effectively.

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Excellent, it so happens that my country is in good relation with Putin. Should it come from USA or UK, we would not see a pint of it until next year, if ever. And Trump wouldn't allow export of it anyway.

China also has 3 vaccines in testing, but i guess Russia rushed it (first post lol), Putin went so far as to place his own daughter at risk...
And also it could be a proud related thing for Russia against other developed nation, especially with USA because Russia still got bullied for not reaching the moon first so this is like Vaccine race between the countries to make themselves as better in the health care system.

First to produce a vaccine isn't quite a Moon shot, but it's a serious accomplishment.
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