Russia plan to use untested vaccine against the coronavirus

[jackg]

the previous OP is quoted below and wasn't edited since the post date until now afaik.

Russia, instead of what most people were lead to believe, have now started a stage 3 safety trial on the vaccine.

This is the point at where other countries are currently at, if you'd like to check the stages and what they mean, I'd suggest this wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_trial

The Oxford trial and a few other countries trials have already entered this stage and russia is technically a month behind the rest - probably why they came out with such bold statements when it started to move into phase III.

Russia have developed a vaccine that is yet to have clinical trials and yet to be proven effective against the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus. I think most health boards were under the assumption that 1 in 15 vaccines prove to be effective and safe (and collectively Europe and the US have around 17 currently being tested - or a similar number).

It's also a bit worrying that they're giving doses to healthcare workers and teachers at a fairly fast pace soon however they might reconsider what they're doing or wait for better results before going forward.

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[LeGaulois]

The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

Isn't it a smart method? Testing stuff on other populations so you protect your, and you say your daughter tested it already so as not to make people worry. You just say she had a little fever, as they say. (At the same time their president want to be the first country to test it on a large scale, so...)
I suppose it will be considered the last trial before releasing it to the public.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

[harizen]

Russia have developed a vaccine that is yet to have clinical trials and yet to be proven effective against the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus.

Yes, it raised concerns since the vaccine didn't go through the usual phases and trials as what other countries did. As reported last April, Russia passed a law to bypass the requirements for Phase 3 trials to be conducted before approval. The reason the vaccine was developed fast and not with the usual timeline of at least 1 year (as per health experts). And since Russia hasn't shown any medical data for some tests they did, it adds more concerns. But Russian President Putin also claims that one his daughter received a vaccine dose and after a certain period, she's now feeling well. Maybe to lessen the worries.

However, despite all these concerns, the demand is now high and at least 20 countries showed interest in their vaccine. And I believed, Putin won't announce it to the world if they aren't sure about the safety of their vaccine.

Whether it's risky or not, it honestly creates positive views by most people globally. We are all waiting for the vaccine. I just hope everything will be fine and this Russian vaccine will really eliminate the COVID-19. Hope other counties that also developing a vaccine will successfully pass their respective trials too.

[jackg]

The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

We started human trials two months ago with the UK vaccines so I don't think 3 months is long enough to determine there are no long term health effects. And testing it on the Philippines and not members of your own population sounds a bit strange (almost as if they don't have confidence).

Long term health effects from certain things can take months or years to show which a lot of vaccines probably won't be able to protect against. I think a vaccine would probably be better offered to everyone who wants it and prioritise those who need it and not just be given to everyone...

[AjithBtc]

WHO has requested for the safety data review for the vaccine with Russia's vaccine for corona virus. Months back itself human trials in my country for covid-19 vaccine have started. Bharat Biotech International with collaboration with the Indian council of medical research and zydas cadila healthcare limited is doing the first and second phase of clinical trials on human.

Our Prime Minister revealed statement of the vaccine coming to usage by August 15th(independence day). Further there is no information about it. Hope the vaccine from any of the country will soon be found for usage.

[Twinkledoe]

WHO has requested for the safety data review for the vaccine with Russia's vaccine for corona virus. Months back itself human trials in my country for covid-19 vaccine have started. Bharat Biotech International with collaboration with the Indian council of medical research and zydas cadila healthcare limited is doing the first and second phase of clinical trials on human.

Our Prime Minister revealed statement of the vaccine coming to usage by August 15th(independence day). Further there is no information about it. Hope the vaccine from any of the country will soon be found for usage.

That's this week already, Aug 15. If it will push thru, you are one of the earliest recipients of this vaccine. But with the population in your country, they really have to deploy the vaccine as soon as possible to lessen if not prevent more deaths.

With regards to Russian vaccine, if it is untested, then what is the assurance that it is effective to combat the virus?

[franky1]

read the real news folks

UK done phase 1 and started phase 2 and then started phase 3 before phase 2 finished. UK also already prepped 100m doses before getting phase 2 or 3 results


russia done phase 1 and done(completed) phase 2.
it is about to start making(but not releasing) huge amounts of the vaccine. and will start phase 3 in october
phase 3 in october is not a 'everyone that wants it' mass vaccination campaign. it is the phase 3 of just volunteer doctors and teachers.


western media are trying to spin it as if russia is releasing the vaccine to everyone in october and saying its bad
yet thats not whats happening

i can already predict the news in october
western news will say that other countries refused to buy russia's vaccine in september due to no results
the truth is russia is not even handing it out.
western media jsut dont like it that russia passed its phase 2 while UK/US are still waiting on phase 2 results
so they make russia's efforts to move forward to phase 3 hidden by suggesting there is no phase 3. and suggesting its a mass vaccination campaign instead

[electronicash]

anyone who needs vaccinated for covid will likely volunteer as guinea pig really. if i am infected by covid, i'd gladly be the first to offer my arm for their syringes.
but Putin must really have to test it to their people as well. each individual has different reaction to the vaccine after injected. it has to be tested to lots of volunteers so side effects could already be seen and fixed before giving it to all.

[allahabadi]

I really don't understand what made the Russians so eager to risk things... Do they still want to simply show that their model of governance is better?

But at what cost 🧐

It is downright stupid to risk these through...

However do keep an eye on human challenge trials... Maybe this is just one in the making 😅

[BADecker]

read the real news folks

UK done phase 1 and started phase 2 and then started phase 3 before phase 2 finished. UK also already prepped 100m doses before getting phase 2 or 3 results


russia done phase 1 and done(completed) phase 2.
it is about to start making(but not releasing) huge amounts of the vaccine. and will start phase 3 in october
phase 3 in october is not a 'everyone that wants it' mass vaccination campaign. it is the phase 3 of just volunteer doctors and teachers.


western media are trying to spin it as if russia is releasing the vaccine to everyone in october and saying its bad
yet thats not whats happening

i can already predict the news in october
western news will say that other countries refused to buy russia's vaccine in september due to no results
the truth is russia is not even handing it out.
western media jsut dont like it that russia passed its phase 2 while UK/US are still waiting on phase 2 results
so they make russia's efforts to move forward to phase 3 hidden by suggesting there is no phase 3. and suggesting its a mass vaccination campaign instead

Vaccines are dangerous. Even 4 or 5 year safety studies aren't enough.

If they are going to offer vaccines without safety studies, simply reduce the amounts of HCQ to 200 mg per day, and save thousands of people like they did in this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

Or get the 1 death per million (rather than 431 deaths per million as in the USA) like the six African nations listed near the middle of this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI.

If you don't have long-term safety studies, you might as well drink bleach right out of the bottle.

[franky1]

Vaccines are dangerous. Even 4 or 5 year safety studies aren't enough.

If they are going to offer vaccines without safety studies, simply reduce the amounts of HCQ to 200 mg per day, and save thousands of people like they did in this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

those doctors stitched in labels into their white lab coats of 'frontline' but they are not frontline doctors

[BADecker]

Vaccines are dangerous. Even 4 or 5 year safety studies aren't enough.

If they are going to offer vaccines without safety studies, simply reduce the amounts of HCQ to 200 mg per day, and save thousands of people like they did in this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

those doctors stitched in labels into their white lab coats of 'frontline' but they are not frontline doctors

Some of them are frontline doctors. Even doctors do their own stitching now and again. The important thing is that they are right about HCQ.

[squatz1]

The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

Isn't it a smart method? Testing stuff on other populations so you protect your, and you say your daughter tested it already so as not to make people worry. You just say she had a little fever, as they say. (At the same time their president want to be the first country to test it on a large scale, so...)
I suppose it will be considered the last trial before releasing it to the public.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

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I miss one story and find out that the Russians are testing an (untested in Phase 3) on citizens of the Philippines to see if it works. Well shit, that's something. Not sure on why they would agree to something like this.

If it works though that's great and all, but this doesn't seem like the right road to go down to find out if it does work. Seems like a risk to Duerte. Putin -- eh -- his people probably won't find out the truth on their state run news network so it really doesn't matter for him, eh? Dictators usually don't have to face much resistance from within their country.

Putin is making all of this shit up as a propaganda event for his people and to prop himself up, artifically, on the world stage. Not sure who he thinks hes fooling, but I guess it works if he always pulls shit like this.

[Gyfts]

Russia trying super hard to be a world leader with their shitty government and healthcare system. I wouldn't touch that vaccine with a 10 foot pole.

To the health staff they did give the vaccine to, it was only a small number I read. Not even remotely close to a clinical trial.

[Mauser]

Russia trying super hard to be a world leader with their shitty government and healthcare system. I wouldn't touch that vaccine with a 10 foot pole.

To the health staff they did give the vaccine too, it was only a small number I read. Not even remotely close to a clinical trial.

I am in doubt if the vaccine will be available in huge quantities for the hole population. Probably they will start with the high risk groups and then work their way down. In the end it's just another form of human trials I guess. For me I would not let them inject me with any vaccine.

[akram143]

Russia trying super hard to be a world leader with their shitty government and healthcare system. I wouldn't touch that vaccine with a 10 foot pole.

To the health staff they did give the vaccine too, it was only a small number I read. Not even remotely close to a clinical trial.

Afaik, they tested their vaccine on very less numbers like in two digits only for every phase and also the people who got tested are people from army that is why its bit worrying that how it is going to be effective with a common man who is not muscular or stronger as the army persons.

[Jet Cash]

I don't understand why people vaccinate themselves when they are infected. Your body is trying to fight the infection, the last thing you want to do is to give it more work to do. It really shows how much the money Pharmers have mis-educated the sheeple over vaccines.

The nly good news about the Russian vaccine is that it is almost certain to be useless, and will have side effects. This may accelerate the discrediting of vaccines, and then maybe we can escape from the mania about them, and save the health industry billions.

[xenon131]

I don't understand why people vaccinate themselves when they are infected.

Being infected no one vaccinate himself. Doctors refuse to do that knowing that you are ill. Vaccination works only for those whose bodies are not infected. It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

[Jet Cash]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

[xenon131]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

[Jet Cash]

Because real virus has a potency to kill you.

So far nobody has been able to provide details of a healthy person who has died from the virus. I believe there have been Covid deaths from people that have received regular 'flu vaccinations, and who take Tylenol.

[squatz1]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

+1 to that. There's no way we can reach herd immunity without killing a lot of people who don't need to die. What we need to do is follow proper safety protocols and wait for a vaccine to work.

Herd immunity is a pipe dream. It won't work and it'll kill many more people. We'd literally have to have another 12M or so cases, just in NY, to achieve herd immunity.

[Jet Cash]

Vaccines are the pipe dream. They kill and maim people just to enrich the pharma companies. Anyone who injects poison and disease into a healthy kid under the age of 5 should be locked up. Kids need to be exposed to millions of viruses and germs to build strong immune systems. We've evolved to handle it, so don't screw it up to give Bill Gates a few more billions.

How can a baby without an immune system benefit from having disease injected into it?

[enhu]

Vaccines are the pipe dream. They kill and maim people just to enrich the pharma companies. Anyone who injects poison and disease into a healthy kid under the age of 5 should be locked up. Kids need to be exposed to millions of viruses and germs to build strong immune systems. We've evolved to handle it, so don't screw it up to give Bill Gates a few more billions.

How can a baby without an immune system benefit from having disease injected into it?

Somehow I believe kids are to be expose to bacterias for immune system to know how to protect the body but there are just vaccines that works and very needed for a person like the polio vaccine so a person won't end up with disabilities. We can't just put our trust to the quack doctors we use to believe. There are no shamans in new generations and they are just not familiar with what the shamans know centuries ago.

[Jet Cash]

I thought they had given up on the polio vaccine because it created more cases than it cured.

[squatz1]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

+1 to that.

Not sure why there is so much debate regarding vaccines and their usage, even on the most basic levels. People get vaccines because obtaining immunity in a way that isn;t going to kill them.

If obtaining immunity was as easy as getting everyone sick and there would be no downsides, then we wouldn't have needed immunity because the disease / sickness in question isn't lethal enough to people.

A vaccine is better then achieving herd immunity through 70-80% of the population getting COVID.

[BADecker]

Because real virus has a potency to kill you.

So far nobody has been able to provide details of a healthy person who has died from the virus. I believe there have been Covid deaths from people that have received regular 'flu vaccinations, and who take Tylenol.

I haven't heard of a healthy person who got the virus.     

[BADecker]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

If you are a reasonably healthy person, you have way more potential of dying in a car accident than of Covid.

[squatz1]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

If you are a reasonably healthy person, you have way more potential of dying in a car accident than of Covid.

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You have a higher chance of being killed in a car accident then dying of lung cancer / liver failure. Does that mean we shouldn't treat people who are dying of these two different causes of death/illness?
You have a higher chance of dying from one thing then of many other things. I get the reasonably healthy part, but we don't just disregard death because the person is unhealthy.

But the problem is that people aren't understanding that achieving herd immunity without a vaccine is going to cause a LOT of NEEDLESS DEATH and ILLNESS.

As I said in another thread, if you want to achieve herd immunity in a state like NY you need another 8M or so people to get COVID. That means tons and tons of people in hospitals and tens of thousands of more at risk people are going to die.

[franky1]

jetcash / badecker mindset

'we think that only 10% of people hit by a car die from it. so we want everyone to walk into the road and get hit' .. 'we want people to avoid learning to spot the signs of an oncoming car. we want people to not learn about the dangers of cars from other safer methods. we want people to get run over'

those idiotic thoughts sounds like jetcash/badecker are the eugenics guys that want to sell pharma chemical..

the US/UK government are not selling medication to citizens. because.. there is no medication people can take as a daily supplement

the US/UK government are not telling people to get sick and risk death via eugenics plans
yet idiots like jetcash/badecker are pasting in script from their cultish websites that have all the hallmarks of the things they pretend they aint

[BADecker]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

If you are a reasonably healthy person, you have way more potential of dying in a car accident than of Covid.

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You have a higher chance of being killed in a car accident then dying of lung cancer / liver failure. Does that mean we shouldn't treat people who are dying of these two different causes of death/illness?
You have a higher chance of dying from one thing then of many other things. I get the reasonably healthy part, but we don't just disregard death because the person is unhealthy.

But the problem is that people aren't understanding that achieving herd immunity without a vaccine is going to cause a LOT of NEEDLESS DEATH and ILLNESS.

As I said in another thread, if you want to achieve herd immunity in a state like NY you need another 8M or so people to get COVID. That means tons and tons of people in hospitals and tens of thousands of more at risk people are going to die.

We should absolutely do what we can about anything. The danger isn't a virus. The danger is the pandemic that is shutting everything down. The pandemic isn't based on a virus. It's based on fear. You can't cure fear with a vaccine. The vaccine won't be even 10% effective. Shut down the pandemic. That should be the new pandemic... shutting down the pandemic.

[franky1]

lockdown not the same as pandemic

pandemic is about the negative health thing hurting people around the world
the virus is the 'negative health thing'
the lockdown is the action to surpress the negative health thing FROM OVERRUNNING hospitals

if there was no risk of a hospital overrun. there would be no lockdown
but it would still be classed as a pandemic if people around the world were getting sick enough to affect their life even if they didnt get sick enough to need hospital

if no one was getting sick. then there would be no pandemic and nothing to need immunisation against

[BADecker]

People die of all kinds of things. Since the pandemic of fear of a weak and unimportant virus called Covid is what the lockdowns are all about, what are the lockdowns producing? Oh yes. Destruction of nations and economies and people. Lockdown pandemic.

[squatz1]

lockdown not the same as pandemic

pandemic is about the negative health thing hurting people around the world
the virus is the 'negative health thing'
the lockdown is the action to surpress the negative health thing FROM OVERRUNNING hospitals

if there was no risk of a hospital overrun. there would be no lockdown
but it would still be classed as a pandemic if people around the world were getting sick enough to affect their life even if they didnt get sick enough to need hospital

if no one was getting sick. then there would be no pandemic and nothing to need immunisation against

+1 to that.

I'm unsure of what the conspiracy is here surrounding COVID. Do people think that it really isn't that bad and that the government is making all of this up to have us in a panic? Or that the hospitals are making all of this up so they can make more money? Do they notice the sheer amount of people who would have to be in on it to make this thing happen? You'd need tens of millions of people in on this.

Back onto the topic of Russia though - Their vaccine is bullshit, end of thread.

[Cnut237]

I thought they had given up on the polio vaccine because it created more cases than it cured.

This is quite a provocative statement.


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They gave up on the polio vaccine because it worked so well, and polio has been almost eradicated globally. As of 2020 it remains endemic in only Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Polio was once a disease feared worldwide, striking suddenly and paralysing mainly children for life. WHO is a partner in the Global Polio Eradication Initiative, the largest private-public partnership for health, which has reduced polio by 99%. Polio now survives only among the world's poorest and most marginalized communities, where it stalks the most vulnerable children. The Initiative's goal is to reach every last child with polio vaccine and ensure a polio-free world for future generations.

_{https://www.who.int/features/factfiles/polio/en/}

And please don't try to use vaccine-derived polio as a counter-argument; the evidence there is conclusive (my bold):

On rare occasions, if a population is seriously under-immunized, an excreted vaccine-virus can continue to circulate for an extended period of time. The longer it is allowed to survive, the more genetic changes it undergoes. In very rare instances, the vaccine-virus can genetically change into a form that can paralyse – this is what is known as a circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPV).

It takes a long time for a cVDPV to occur. Generally, the strain will have been allowed to circulate in an un- or under-immunized population for a period of at least 12 months. Circulating VDPVs occur when routine or supplementary immunization activities (SIAs) are poorly conducted and a population is left susceptible to poliovirus, whether from vaccine-derived or wild poliovirus. Hence, the problem is not with the vaccine itself, but low vaccination coverage. If a population is fully immunized, they will be protected against both vaccine-derived and wild polioviruses.

Since 2000, more than 10 billion doses of OPV have been administered to nearly 3 billion children worldwide. As a result, more than 13 million cases of polio have been prevented, and the disease has been reduced by more than 99%. During that time, 24 cVDPV outbreaks occurred in 21 countries, resulting in fewer than 760 VDPV cases.

Until 2015, over 90% of cVDPV cases were due to the type 2 component in OPV. With the transmission of wild poliovirus type 2 already successfully interrupted since 1999, in April 2016 a switch was implemented from trivalent OPV to bivalent OPV in routine immunization programmes. The removal of the type 2 component of OPV is associated with significant public health benefits, including a reduction of the risk of cases of cVDPV2.

The small risk of cVDPVs pales in significance to the tremendous public health benefits associated with OPV. Every year, hundreds of thousands of cases due to wild polio virus are prevented. Well over 10 million cases have been averted since large-scale administration of OPV began 20 years ago.

Circulating VDPVs in the past have been rapidly stopped with 2–3 rounds of high-quality immunization campaigns. The solution is the same for all polio outbreaks: immunize every child several times with the oral vaccine to stop polio transmission, regardless of the origin of the virus.

_{https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/what-is-vaccine-derived-polio}


Although someone might have to quote me in order for Jet Cash to see it, as I think he has me on ignore (I'm pro-vaccine and anti-Brexit)

[Questat]

All eyes on Russia now as they will be the first country to roll out the vaccine, hopefully it will be a success and no complications or side effect that people will feel, otherwise they might have trouble here. I thought vaccine needs years to develop based on what I read but here we are, one country is ahead of the others. Something to watch for...................

[Jet Cash]

Although someone might have to quote me in order for Jet Cash to see it, as I think he has me on ignore (I'm pro-vaccine and anti-Brexit)

I don't have you on ignore. I don't ignore people just because they have different opinions, and I welcome good logical debates. However, unless you are a member of the Eton/Oxford elite, it is difficult how one can believe that membership of the failing EU can be beneficial. I can find no good independent research that proves that vaccines are superior to natural immunity, and they seem to word by an inferior approach to mimic the natural processes.

[Cnut237]

I can find no good independent research that proves that vaccines are superior to natural immunity, and they seem to word by an inferior approach to mimic the natural processes.

Do you disagree that global polio cases have reduced dramatically since the vaccine programme started up?
Natural immunity had thousands of years to work to eradicate the virus, and was profoundly and tragically unsuccessful.
As for Covid-19, what is your opinion on the concept of viral load?

unless you are a member of the Eton/Oxford elite, it is difficult how one can believe that membership of the failing EU can be beneficial.

The reason I wanted to remain in the EU was actually because I despise the Eton/Oxford elite, and their political manifestation, the Conservative party. The EU, whilst by no means perfect, was at least a brake on Tory excesses.

I don't have you on ignore.

Damn it. This is profoundly humbling. I'd assumed your lack of engagement with my clever and insightful responses in your various threads over the last couple of years was because I was on ignore. Nope. Turns out I wasn't actually being clever or insightful...

[Salauddin1994]

If Russia really plans to use unwanted vaccines against the coronavirus, it could make a lot of progress in controlling the virus the cause of the epidemic is that the lockdown has thrown all the people of the world into a crisis. Maintaining a normal life including earning money has become difficult. Although the epidemic is negative the vaccine is given to prevent the virus will make a positive difference.

[iyamoxjhian]

It will be tested in my country..well I cant blame the government as they wanted to stop the huge and increasing number of infected so they want it to be test right away even though it was not yet done with its 4th step the massive clinical trial.. But I cant blame my fellowmen because its hard to trust anyone nowadays..it seems that your enemy is everywhere..for now its better to do and follow precautinary measures for not to be infected by the virus..

[jackg]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

This is going to depend on how the vaccine works. If there's a 99% chance of success the antibodies will be produced within 3 weeks, there's a chance they can wait until symptoms develop since most people don't die in the first two weeks of having symptoms afaik.

Taking a vaccine once infected isn't normally recommended unless it's a booster (for example tetinus can be taken straight after an open wound comes into contact with rust because it forces the immune system to remember the last dose it had).


I don't understand the prospective you think vaccines don't work - a lot of them have an 80+% success rate (the flu vaccine arguably doesn't work) but you're better off looking into the process of production for the patent exempt vaccines and looking at the ingredients contained within - most are just a vitus in a pool of amine based salts.

The whole point of a vaccine is that your immune system and blood destroy everything within a few weeks. You probably pick up more dangerous stuff from walking around with a cut on your hand or walking with a blister/cut on your barefoot (something everyone's probably done).

[squatz1]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

This is going to depend on how the vaccine works. If there's a 99% chance of success the antibodies will be produced within 3 weeks, there's a chance they can wait until symptoms develop since most people don't die in the first two weeks of having symptoms afaik.

Taking a vaccine once infected isn't normally recommended unless it's a booster (for example tetinus can be taken straight after an open wound comes into contact with rust because it forces the immune system to remember the last dose it had).


I don't understand the prospective you think vaccines don't work - a lot of them have an 80+% success rate (the flu vaccine arguably doesn't work) but you're better off looking into the process of production for the patent exempt vaccines and looking at the ingredients contained within - most are just a vitus in a pool of amine based salts.

The whole point of a vaccine is that your immune system and blood destroy everything within a few weeks. You probably pick up more dangerous stuff from walking around with a cut on your hand or walking with a blister/cut on your barefoot (something everyone's probably done).

Yeah, not sure why Jet Cash has this hard problem understanding why we use vaccines. We use them so we don't have to DIE or people HORRIBLY ILL from getting sick with the real virus. That's like asking the question, why would you take the polio vaccine when you can just get it?

Vaccines have a high success rate, no one is going to try to peddle some bullshit on you that doesn't work. That's not something that would've gotten FDA approval.

If people don't want to take certain vaccines because they've have side effects from them that outweigh the benefits of not having the illness itself, then I have no problem at all with that (think of the FLU for example) but people just making up bullshit excuses to avoid a vaccine just because is no real reason.

[BADecker]

^^^ You don't need vaccines. What you need is something that will jog the immune system, such as mega-vitamin dosages for a month or so. Vaccines are full of poisons and toxins. They do way more damage than they do good.

[Smartvirus]

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

[Mauser]

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

So far the news about the vaccine are very scare. I have a few friends who still have family in Russia, none of them have heard anything real about the vaccine yet, just from the news. And no one knew anyone who got the vaccine yet. I think we have to wait more to get information about the testing and if it will provide a long term immunity.

[Jet Cash]

Are you sure it's untested?

It isn't untested - it is just badly or inadequately tested.

They just test for antibodies against the synthetic virus they used for development. They don't test for damage as a result of adjuvents  that don't show up almost immediately. They don't check for "T" cell immunity in the victims they recruit, so any beneficial results could be from natural immunity. They don't check for adverse reactions as a result of the use of other vaccines or pharmaceuticals. In fact they don't test for very much, and often they weed out test victims that could skew the results against them.

[Questat]

Are you sure it's untested?

It isn't untested - it is just badly or inadequately tested.

They just test for antibodies against the synthetic virus they used for development. They don't test for damage as a result of adjuvents  that don't show up almost immediately. They don't check for "T" cell immunity in the victims they recruit, so any beneficial results could be from natural immunity. They don't check for adverse reactions as a result of the use of other vaccines or pharmaceuticals. In fact they don't test for very much, and often they weed out test victims that could skew the results against them.

As per the latest news I read now, it seems like this vaccine is a good to go vaccine as they said there is no adverse effects.

Russia’s potential coronavirus vaccine shows ‘no serious adverse’ effects and creates antibody response: The Lancet study




and hopefully this is a great news.

The chief of Russian sovereign wealth fund RDIF, which is backing the vaccine, said the country was “on track” to provide exports of the vaccine by November.

[virasog]

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

There is a global race for development of covid19 vaccine. America wants that they should release the vaccine and rest of the world use that vaccine. Similarly Russia also want the same and big powers want to win this race of developing the covid 19 vaccine first.

[Jet Cash]

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I do hope the Rushed (sic) vaccine is "good to go". The sooner it is gone, the safer we will all be.

[BADecker]

Vaccine retarded people can still believe in God. And that's what God wants. More people to be on His side, so that they can be saved for the next life, the REAL life, that will last forever.

Nobody, not me, nor God, wants to take the freedom of people away from them. Saint Paul said, Galatians 1:1, "It is for freedom the Christ has set you free." So, freedom is your downfall if you use it wrong. Use it right, by believing in God, and His salvation through Jesus.

However, you are free. Nobody can coerce your inner self. They might be able to brainwash you for a time through vaccine stupidity. But they can't coerce your inner mind. It's up to you if you will believe in Jesus salvation or not. Why? Because God upholds your freedom in this.

[jackg]

I'll edit the op in a bit because I have more information and they've only started testing it on 40k people in a stage three trial. I think it's been proven that his daugher and the supreme court judge haven't been given doses of the virus.

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I hope the european vaccines come with some sort of meta analysis of trials being done. I think most places are working on the same type of vaccine (with similar proteins it's meant to be fighting against on the "spiky" surface part of the virus) so we will hopefully have enough information to at least confirm its safety.

If we can get the first 2 billion doses and then 7 billion, long term immunity might not be necessary to be tested - but I don't think many people are certain for the safety of the vaccine. I think opinion polls were around 40%.

[Gyfts]

I'll edit the op in a bit because I have more information and they've only started testing it on 40k people in a stage three trial. I think it's been proven that his daugher and the supreme court judge haven't been given doses of the virus.

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I hope the european vaccines come with some sort of meta analysis of trials being done. I think most places are working on the same type of vaccine (with similar proteins it's meant to be fighting against on the "spiky" surface part of the virus) so we will hopefully have enough information to at least confirm its safety.

If we can get the first 2 billion doses and then 7 billion, long term immunity might not be necessary to be tested - but I don't think many people are certain for the safety of the vaccine. I think opinion polls were around 40%.

Europe will have clinical trials for the vaccine and will study any confounding effects. I would feel safe about a vetted European vaccine or a vaccine made in the states because of higher standards. Even if 40k participants in Russia test out the vaccine, I'm not sure what the standard of their studies are and whether or not they have any oversight agencies -- U.S. has the FDA.

 I think the United States won't get above a 50 percent bench mark in terms of vaccinations, but iirc, the CDC said herd immunity takes place any where from 40-70 percent.

[feitannnnnnn]

I'll edit the op in a bit because I have more information and they've only started testing it on 40k people in a stage three trial. I think it's been proven that his daugher and the supreme court judge haven't been given doses of the virus.

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I hope the european vaccines come with some sort of meta analysis of trials being done. I think most places are working on the same type of vaccine (with similar proteins it's meant to be fighting against on the "spiky" surface part of the virus) so we will hopefully have enough information to at least confirm its safety.

If we can get the first 2 billion doses and then 7 billion, long term immunity might not be necessary to be tested - but I don't think many people are certain for the safety of the vaccine. I think opinion polls were around 40%.

Europe will have clinical trials for the vaccine and will study any confounding effects. I would feel safe about a vetted European vaccine or a vaccine made in the states because of higher standards. Even if 40k participants in Russia test out the vaccine, I'm not sure what the standard of their studies are and whether or not they have any oversight agencies -- U.S. has the FDA.

 I think the United States won't get above a 50 percent bench mark in terms of vaccinations, but iirc, the CDC said herd immunity takes place any where from 40-70 percent.

CDC urges the state to have vaccines distribution facilities ready by nov. 1, as they launches the 3rd phase U.S trial

This gives hope that by nov.1, a vaccine will be available in United States but this gives the risk of unknown side-effects due to the rushed clinical trial that normally takes 4 years to be perfectly executed. Though given that we're in a pandemic, the rush for the vaccines is extremely needed.