Russia plan to use untested vaccine against the coronavirus

[jackg]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

This is going to depend on how the vaccine works. If there's a 99% chance of success the antibodies will be produced within 3 weeks, there's a chance they can wait until symptoms develop since most people don't die in the first two weeks of having symptoms afaik.

Taking a vaccine once infected isn't normally recommended unless it's a booster (for example tetinus can be taken straight after an open wound comes into contact with rust because it forces the immune system to remember the last dose it had).


I don't understand the prospective you think vaccines don't work - a lot of them have an 80+% success rate (the flu vaccine arguably doesn't work) but you're better off looking into the process of production for the patent exempt vaccines and looking at the ingredients contained within - most are just a vitus in a pool of amine based salts.

The whole point of a vaccine is that your immune system and blood destroy everything within a few weeks. You probably pick up more dangerous stuff from walking around with a cut on your hand or walking with a blister/cut on your barefoot (something everyone's probably done).

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[squatz1]

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

This is going to depend on how the vaccine works. If there's a 99% chance of success the antibodies will be produced within 3 weeks, there's a chance they can wait until symptoms develop since most people don't die in the first two weeks of having symptoms afaik.

Taking a vaccine once infected isn't normally recommended unless it's a booster (for example tetinus can be taken straight after an open wound comes into contact with rust because it forces the immune system to remember the last dose it had).


I don't understand the prospective you think vaccines don't work - a lot of them have an 80+% success rate (the flu vaccine arguably doesn't work) but you're better off looking into the process of production for the patent exempt vaccines and looking at the ingredients contained within - most are just a vitus in a pool of amine based salts.

The whole point of a vaccine is that your immune system and blood destroy everything within a few weeks. You probably pick up more dangerous stuff from walking around with a cut on your hand or walking with a blister/cut on your barefoot (something everyone's probably done).

Yeah, not sure why Jet Cash has this hard problem understanding why we use vaccines. We use them so we don't have to DIE or people HORRIBLY ILL from getting sick with the real virus. That's like asking the question, why would you take the polio vaccine when you can just get it?

Vaccines have a high success rate, no one is going to try to peddle some bullshit on you that doesn't work. That's not something that would've gotten FDA approval.

If people don't want to take certain vaccines because they've have side effects from them that outweigh the benefits of not having the illness itself, then I have no problem at all with that (think of the FLU for example) but people just making up bullshit excuses to avoid a vaccine just because is no real reason.

[BADecker]

^^^ You don't need vaccines. What you need is something that will jog the immune system, such as mega-vitamin dosages for a month or so. Vaccines are full of poisons and toxins. They do way more damage than they do good.

[Smartvirus]

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

[Mauser]

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

So far the news about the vaccine are very scare. I have a few friends who still have family in Russia, none of them have heard anything real about the vaccine yet, just from the news. And no one knew anyone who got the vaccine yet. I think we have to wait more to get information about the testing and if it will provide a long term immunity.

[Jet Cash]

Are you sure it's untested?

It isn't untested - it is just badly or inadequately tested.

They just test for antibodies against the synthetic virus they used for development. They don't test for damage as a result of adjuvents  that don't show up almost immediately. They don't check for "T" cell immunity in the victims they recruit, so any beneficial results could be from natural immunity. They don't check for adverse reactions as a result of the use of other vaccines or pharmaceuticals. In fact they don't test for very much, and often they weed out test victims that could skew the results against them.

[Questat]

Are you sure it's untested?

It isn't untested - it is just badly or inadequately tested.

They just test for antibodies against the synthetic virus they used for development. They don't test for damage as a result of adjuvents  that don't show up almost immediately. They don't check for "T" cell immunity in the victims they recruit, so any beneficial results could be from natural immunity. They don't check for adverse reactions as a result of the use of other vaccines or pharmaceuticals. In fact they don't test for very much, and often they weed out test victims that could skew the results against them.

As per the latest news I read now, it seems like this vaccine is a good to go vaccine as they said there is no adverse effects.

Russia’s potential coronavirus vaccine shows ‘no serious adverse’ effects and creates antibody response: The Lancet study




and hopefully this is a great news.

The chief of Russian sovereign wealth fund RDIF, which is backing the vaccine, said the country was “on track” to provide exports of the vaccine by November.

[virasog]

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

There is a global race for development of covid19 vaccine. America wants that they should release the vaccine and rest of the world use that vaccine. Similarly Russia also want the same and big powers want to win this race of developing the covid 19 vaccine first.

[Jet Cash]

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I do hope the Rushed (sic) vaccine is "good to go". The sooner it is gone, the safer we will all be.

[BADecker]

Vaccine retarded people can still believe in God. And that's what God wants. More people to be on His side, so that they can be saved for the next life, the REAL life, that will last forever.

Nobody, not me, nor God, wants to take the freedom of people away from them. Saint Paul said, Galatians 1:1, "It is for freedom the Christ has set you free." So, freedom is your downfall if you use it wrong. Use it right, by believing in God, and His salvation through Jesus.

However, you are free. Nobody can coerce your inner self. They might be able to brainwash you for a time through vaccine stupidity. But they can't coerce your inner mind. It's up to you if you will believe in Jesus salvation or not. Why? Because God upholds your freedom in this.

[jackg]

I'll edit the op in a bit because I have more information and they've only started testing it on 40k people in a stage three trial. I think it's been proven that his daugher and the supreme court judge haven't been given doses of the virus.

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I hope the european vaccines come with some sort of meta analysis of trials being done. I think most places are working on the same type of vaccine (with similar proteins it's meant to be fighting against on the "spiky" surface part of the virus) so we will hopefully have enough information to at least confirm its safety.

If we can get the first 2 billion doses and then 7 billion, long term immunity might not be necessary to be tested - but I don't think many people are certain for the safety of the vaccine. I think opinion polls were around 40%.

[Gyfts]

I'll edit the op in a bit because I have more information and they've only started testing it on 40k people in a stage three trial. I think it's been proven that his daugher and the supreme court judge haven't been given doses of the virus.

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I hope the european vaccines come with some sort of meta analysis of trials being done. I think most places are working on the same type of vaccine (with similar proteins it's meant to be fighting against on the "spiky" surface part of the virus) so we will hopefully have enough information to at least confirm its safety.

If we can get the first 2 billion doses and then 7 billion, long term immunity might not be necessary to be tested - but I don't think many people are certain for the safety of the vaccine. I think opinion polls were around 40%.

Europe will have clinical trials for the vaccine and will study any confounding effects. I would feel safe about a vetted European vaccine or a vaccine made in the states because of higher standards. Even if 40k participants in Russia test out the vaccine, I'm not sure what the standard of their studies are and whether or not they have any oversight agencies -- U.S. has the FDA.

 I think the United States won't get above a 50 percent bench mark in terms of vaccinations, but iirc, the CDC said herd immunity takes place any where from 40-70 percent.

[feitannnnnnn]

I'll edit the op in a bit because I have more information and they've only started testing it on 40k people in a stage three trial. I think it's been proven that his daugher and the supreme court judge haven't been given doses of the virus.

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

I hope the european vaccines come with some sort of meta analysis of trials being done. I think most places are working on the same type of vaccine (with similar proteins it's meant to be fighting against on the "spiky" surface part of the virus) so we will hopefully have enough information to at least confirm its safety.

If we can get the first 2 billion doses and then 7 billion, long term immunity might not be necessary to be tested - but I don't think many people are certain for the safety of the vaccine. I think opinion polls were around 40%.

Europe will have clinical trials for the vaccine and will study any confounding effects. I would feel safe about a vetted European vaccine or a vaccine made in the states because of higher standards. Even if 40k participants in Russia test out the vaccine, I'm not sure what the standard of their studies are and whether or not they have any oversight agencies -- U.S. has the FDA.

 I think the United States won't get above a 50 percent bench mark in terms of vaccinations, but iirc, the CDC said herd immunity takes place any where from 40-70 percent.

CDC urges the state to have vaccines distribution facilities ready by nov. 1, as they launches the 3rd phase U.S trial

This gives hope that by nov.1, a vaccine will be available in United States but this gives the risk of unknown side-effects due to the rushed clinical trial that normally takes 4 years to be perfectly executed. Though given that we're in a pandemic, the rush for the vaccines is extremely needed.