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September 24, 2020, 04:34:43 AM
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Don't base everything off of the people you know.  Most people support public healthcare and education which is why almost every industrialized nation have both.  Have your opinion but at least be honest about the fact that you are in the minority.

What makes the country socialist?  Is it the moment things you don't agree on being funded collectively become collectively funded, the nation is socialist? So socialist just means you not getting your way? 

Money is social construct.  "making money" is an arbitrary metric that depends on use of public services.  Who would lose out if we let the free market control our military operations abroad?

Why is your State having military operations abroad in the first place? Yes the "free market" warfare was traditionally called mercenaries, today they use the "civil contractors" or a similar euphemism.

In "true" communism there is no State and no military, everyone is armed and willing to defend their home, not invade others to forcibly seize the means of production "liberate" the workers from the "shackles of capitalism".

Socialism is about a bigger State, the State owning the means of production, because that is somehow more fair. The larger the State you make, the less willing to go it is. Also, the individual freedoms get in the way of the almighty State, so those need to go.

In paper it sounds "beautiful", in practice its a never ending, self feeding corruption machine that makes everything much worse than people's pursue of wealth for selfish reasons, for some reason socialists cannot comprehend, and yet it always happens.

Socialists do not understand human nature. To try their theories, they need those pesky humans to be less human and more robots. Some even theorize the perfect ruler to be some AI, but this AI would quickly find the humans unreliable...

The social construct of money and the whole system of the market, capitalism, yadda, with all its "faults" its still better than anything else tried to this day anywhere. And it happens to solve many things peacefully and efficiently.

With socialism you are forced to enforce your new rules, because people don't like being told what to do. Unfortunately this doesn't escalate very well, and you get more bureaucracy to make sure those new rules are enforced and more to watch over those that watch them being enforced...

Conveniently, everything grinds into a halt, unless you somehow can make those officials move in your favor. In the name of Socialism, those with more wealth (the means of bribe) are the only ones that can make things done, certainly not the even more impoverished masses.

Humans don't always want to share, and you are pointing a gun at them so they "share". And then those in power form an elite doing, surprise, surprise, the same decadent egoistical things again: Not sharing.

So as long as you maintain a State, you maintain a caste of parasites "not sharing". Doesn't matter if they proclaim themselves as "socialists" and give charismatic speeches and wave red flags. Its all the same, the filth repeats over and over again.

In the end, socialism attempts to end poverty, by making everyone poorer, give freedom, by seizing it, etc, etc...

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September 24, 2020, 10:06:11 AM
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Just right now we can see again that Europe is very far from being a socialist union. A lot of immigrants stranded in Greece needs to be resettled but there is no unity. The European Union lags a general approach towards immigration. The member states are very divided. You have Greece, Italy and Spain who want help in managing the large numbers of immigrants. You have countries like Germany and France who are willing to help out but are looking for a unified approach. And then you have countries who are against immigration. UK for example left EU because of this. Then there is the far right of Poland, Hungary, Sweden, Austria who are vetoing any common approach. This will be the downfall of the EU eventually.
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September 24, 2020, 12:50:47 PM
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And then you have countries who are against immigration. UK for example left EU because of this.
That is not quite correct. The UK didn't leave because they don't want immigration. They left because they don't want unelected and unaccountable outside bureaucrats to decide their immigeation (and everything else) for them.

And what's wrong with each sovereign country deciding their own policies anyway?

The EU supposedly started as an economic alliance with mist everyone under the same currency to faciliate commerce. Now it has turned into a gigantic bureaucracy that thinks it should control everyone.
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September 25, 2020, 05:41:27 AM
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Its time for socialist to move to a socialist place and get away from normal humans.

BTW, what are you doing on bitcoin forum.

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January 09, 2021, 03:04:30 PM
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Seems like I managed to get an entire thread deleted with a post.  It was about America --to-->Communist, but it's basically the same thing.  Lemme see if I can get this thread nuked too Smiley

Israel Premier David Ben-Gurion in a statement published in the current issue of Look magazine
https://www.jta.org/1962/01/04/archive/ben-gurion-foresees-gradual-democratization-of-the-soviet-union:

The image of the world in 1987 as traced in my imagination: The Cold War will be a thing of the past. Internal pressure of the constantly growing intelligentsia in Russia for more freedom and the pressure of the masses for raising their living standards may lead to a gradual democratization of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, the increasing influence of the workers and farmers, and the rising political importance of men of science, may transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy.

Western and Eastern Europe will become a federation of autonomous states having a Socialist and democratic regime. With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, ail other continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars.

In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah. Higher education will be the right of every person in the world. A pill to prevent pregnancy will slow down the explosive natural increase in China and India, And by 1987, the average life-span of man will reach 100 years.

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And for some context/defense of the quote from a very appreciated informant for me, committed kabbalahist Doreen Dotan:

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January 09, 2021, 08:45:13 PM
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Its time for socialist to move to a socialist place and get away from normal humans.

BTW, what are you doing on bitcoin forum.

I agree with you, we shouldn't force countries into socialsm. In my opinion most of the people don't want a socialst state and would never vote for it. Politicians maybe have some leniency to adjust policies in their own will but once the next election comes they probably will be removed from power. 
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