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Why can't they develop more vaccines to cure the side effects of the first one?
Check out the links at the site, below. Check out the table near the bottom of the site.
Read the Fine Print, Part Two--Nearly 400 Adverse Reactions Listed in Vaccine...Package inserts are available online for all vaccines licensed in the U.S. In addition to containing bits of practical information for the clinicians who administer the vaccines, the inserts provide members of the public with one of their only opportunities to learn about a vaccine's contraindications, warnings, precautions and—perhaps most importantly—potential adverse reactions.
The inserts communicate the information about adverse reactions in two distinct sections: "Clinical trials experience" (Section 6.1) and "Data from postmarketing experience" from the U.S. or other countries (Section 6.2). In April, 2020, Children's Health Defense summarized the postmarketing data for over three dozen vaccines given routinely to American infants, children and adolescents. That tally showed that vaccines touted for the prevention of 13 illnesses (Table 1) have been linked to at least 217 adverse medical outcomes reported post-licensure, including serious infections, autoimmune conditions, life-threatening allergies and death.
As noted in April, the postmarketing list is far from exhaustive, because manufacturers have the latitude to decide which outcomes to list in the inserts—using loose criteria determined by severity, frequency of reporting and "strength of evidence for a causal relationship." In addition, vaccine adverse events are notoriously underreported, not least because medical schools do not teach doctors to recognize vaccine injuries. But what would the picture look like if the adverse reactions observed during clinical trials were also added to the list? ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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heres another funny thing if russia say mass(3k people) panic and pointy fingers of how thats bad to do 3k
if america do mass(30k) aww its ok they good boys' let them do it
But of course, it's obviously because the Russians have a trust issue globally. You wouldn't trust a lion with your goat, would you? It's same with asking people to queue up for a vaccine put out by the Chinese on this too. Both countries have a big question mark on them while the US is seen as a saint country because it's a huge democracy.
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There are several reasons. It is apparent that there will never be a vaccine that can cope with the virus mutations, so all that research is a waste of resources and public money. The worries come from the fact that vaccines create cripple, and long term health problems, and those people will be a burden on society. Of course they will be a source of profit for the money Pharmers, and this is why they do it. My other concern is that they may make vaccines mandatory, and thus create a dependence on synthetic and unnatural immune systems. This will allow the banking elite to control the life span of citizens. Covid is a really minor infection, and as evidence of this, the UK is dismantling the nightingale hospitals, and this is despite the fud about a second dramatic wave that will destroy humanity.
Vacinnes are a way of modifying human immunity in a way very possible to weaken the immunity in the future, I believe people should focus on ways to use natural remedy to extinct the virus, normally, if people follow the normal safety measures by using face mask and hand sanitizers, eating healthy, exercising, practicing healthy lifestyles and the likes will help. Their could be a time all vaccines may have side effects, it chould be long-term effect.
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September 05, 2020, 08:54:34 AM |
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Vacinnes are a way of modifying human immunity in a way very possible to weaken the immunity in the future, I believe people should focus on ways to use natural remedy to extinct the virus, normally, if people follow the normal safety measures by using face mask and hand sanitizers, eating healthy, exercising, practicing healthy lifestyles and the likes will help. Their could be a time all vaccines may have side effects, it chould be long-term effect.
Not how vaccines work. You create antibodies as a part of your adaptive immune system by B cells in response to antigens. Vaccines are an identical copy to this method. They introduce an antigen and your body recognizes it and builds up immunity. There is nothing in this processes that modifies the immune system.
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September 05, 2020, 09:14:14 AM |
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You build long term immunity with memory "T" cells, antibodies are just one way that the body fights viruses and diseases, and they are short lived. Also, they seem to be developed using synthetic low impact viruses, and not the real thing that is out in the wild. Successful testing seems to mean that they create antibodies, but they don't seem to test those against real infections to see if they really work, or if they will generate cytokine storms. You know that vaccines are not the "real deal" because they need adjuvants to help them to do their dirty work, and these adjuvants can create serious side effects.
Fresh air, sunshine, a health diet, keeping hydrated, and getting exercise improve the quality of your life, and they are a far better option than hoping that a vaccine will provide an alternative, and not cripple you.
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September 05, 2020, 09:32:58 AM |
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Not how vaccines work. You create antibodies as a part of your adaptive immune system by B cells in response to antigens. Vaccines are an identical copy to this method. They introduce an antigen and your body recognizes it and builds up immunity.
There is nothing in this processes that modifies the immune system.
I know how vaccines works, like the Russian vaccine was an extract from the Adenovirus, it was a successful test, but for now. But, humans will only deceive themselves, the real part they need to focus on, they did not. Prevention is always better than cure. Why the world is not focusing on the people in a way all will be employed to get the kind of life they want, so that they can leave a healthy life they want, healthy life style is a way to improving us. We are going more into bioengineering. No matter what humans do, it can not be like natural ones. Education, safety measures and healthy lifestyles can help against this virus. Not that I really against the vaccines, but the world need to wake up and see their ignorant parts. Have you checked the link below before? The Fat Emperor discusses the evolution of the human diet. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267490.msg54957827#msg54957827Even, with little modification of diet, things are not like of the old. Instead of the Scientists manipulating our immune system, they should let natural ways to be first remedy. Because, no matter what, natural remedies will be the best. While vaccination should only be a mild alternative.
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September 05, 2020, 01:18:50 PM |
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You build long term immunity with memory "T" cells, antibodies are just one way that the body fights viruses and diseases, and they are short lived. Also, they seem to be developed using synthetic low impact viruses, and not the real thing that is out in the wild. Successful testing seems to mean that they create antibodies, but they don't seem to test those against real infections to see if they really work, or if they will generate cytokine storms. You know that vaccines are not the "real deal" because they need adjuvants to help them to do their dirty work, and these adjuvants can create serious side effects.
Fresh air, sunshine, a health diet, keeping hydrated, and getting exercise improve the quality of your life, and they are a far better option than hoping that a vaccine will provide an alternative, and not cripple you.
Also we don't know any success rate yet for vaccines. Do they really provide a 100% immunity against corona? And will this immunity last for a long time? If you would have to vaccine every 6 months just to refresh the immunity, this would be very expensive and not effective. I think a vaccine is mostly important for high risk patients with prior conditions and elderly people. For the younger geverations a vaccine is not so important because most corona cases just have mild symptoms.
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You build long term immunity with memory "T" cells, antibodies are just one way that the body fights viruses and diseases, and they are short lived. Also, they seem to be developed using synthetic low impact viruses, and not the real thing that is out in the wild. Successful testing seems to mean that they create antibodies, but they don't seem to test those against real infections to see if they really work, or if they will generate cytokine storms. You know that vaccines are not the "real deal" because they need adjuvants to help them to do their dirty work, and these adjuvants can create serious side effects.
Fresh air, sunshine, a health diet, keeping hydrated, and getting exercise improve the quality of your life, and they are a far better option than hoping that a vaccine will provide an alternative, and not cripple you.
Also we don't know any success rate yet for vaccines. Do they really provide a 100% immunity against corona? And will this immunity last for a long time? If you would have to vaccine every 6 months just to refresh the immunity, this would be very expensive and not effective. I think a vaccine is mostly important for high risk patients with prior conditions and elderly people. For the younger geverations a vaccine is not so important because most corona cases just have mild symptoms. We can't answer about the potency of their vaccine this early. It needs time to determine their effectiveness. I don't know how in the lab can determine the duration of the effectiveness of a certain vaccine. Not really familiar with their testings. But every 6 months, to get a shot is quite expensive. Maybe they are just doing this for precaution but this is not affordable to ordinary people. Maybe there will be other vaccines that have better potency.
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September 09, 2020, 11:04:34 PM |
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If the vaccine developers were honorable, they would test the finished product on themselves. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Yes, researchers will discover the vaccine through various experiments people with low immunity can be at high risk. This is the situation when we have made everything free. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison was asked by reporters how long the lockdown would last. Vaccines can cure diseases while the vaccine is dangerous it can protect against the epidemic in that case the vaccine will be given according to the tolerable capacity of the human body.
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Let me correct that for you (OP). All vaccines too early could be are dangerous.![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Trial stopped because one of 30000 testers on which they plan to test their vaccine got some strange conditions. Apparently that is quite normal. But still it will delay them making vaccine for weeks. EU already ordered 400 million dosses from them months ago.
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"It can be dangerous to start vaccinating millions... of people too early because it could pretty much kill the acceptance of vaccination if it goes wrong," Jens Spahn told local media.
This is the point that nails it down for me. It's most likely that the world is compiting on the race to producing the vaccine that would be effective on the Covid19 pandemic and care little on the effect it would have on people. After all, innocent people get caught in a cross fire and it would be considered collateral damage they would think. I'm sure it's much more complicated than that, following the fact that a lot too late is dangerous as to spread and a lot too early on vaccine distribution could later result in some undesirable side effects. But then, what's the point in having procedures and not follow them? The war on vaccination either it should or shouldn't be administered has been an issue of controversy and if a step goes wrong in this, the gate of vaccine administration would just be sealed. So, it's best played down principles be followed cautiously else, why have them?!
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