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USA will survive the economic crisis if it becomes a socialist country Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor . It's time for cooperatives to shine ...It's time for a Socialist America . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqMMpMkKXs
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It already is a socialist country - for rich people and corporations. The savage capitalism is reserved for the little people.
They're not going to spread that socialism further down the food chain but let's see what happens in the aftermath of the virus. I can believe a lot of things that were previously unimaginable may become imaginable and it'll be done to preserve the hegemony of the rich.
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Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor .
Only 70 years of communism in Russia to prove that socialism is not good ... some get rich and 90% stay poor, and millions starve to death
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August 14, 2020, 06:44:57 PM |
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Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor .
Only 70 years of communism in Russia to prove that socialism is not good ... some get rich and 90% stay poor, and millions starve to death That's communism not socialism ...
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August 14, 2020, 07:00:19 PM |
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There's plenty of socialism in America, though it seems to do the opposite of what you say. Just look at the housing crisis of 08', where regulators tried and failed to make housing more affordable, or the student loan bubble, where the government incentivized universities to increase their administration and enrolment fees anywhere from 100 to 1000 percent. The only thing the socialist agenda has managed to do is put young Americans into debt so deep that they can't even begin to imagine what building wealth is like. QE bailouts for large corps (travel/defence) can only last so long, going into more debt isn't a viable option anymore. Besides, weren't you just complaining about not being able to make any money in socialist Europe the other day? https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sowell-housing-crisis/2009/05/17/id/330167/https://usdebtclock.org
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August 14, 2020, 07:04:52 PM |
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Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor .
Only 70 years of communism in Russia to prove that socialism is not good ... some get rich and 90% stay poor, and millions starve to death That's communism not socialism ... “The goal of socialism is communism.” - Vladimir Lenin
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August 14, 2020, 08:49:41 PM |
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USA will survive the economic crisis if it becomes a socialist country
Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor .
It's time for cooperatives to shine ...It's time for a Socialist America .
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FR9IUvDU.jpg&t=665&c=yYT3xiVhjnfVgQ) Thoughts on the above?
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August 14, 2020, 08:55:30 PM Last edit: August 14, 2020, 09:28:33 PM by deisik |
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It's time for cooperatives to shine ...It's time for a Socialist America You must be kidding, aren't you? USA will survive the economic crisis if it becomes a socialist country
Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor Do you know what the main problem with socialism is in this context? That everyone will end up poor under this type of economy. And the mother of all truths is that there's no real-life socialism. Whatever regime may call itself socialistic, it is either dictatorship (North Korea) or an extreme form of state capitalism, only disguised as socialism (China)
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August 14, 2020, 09:12:56 PM |
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USA will survive the economic crisis if it becomes a socialist country Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor . It's time for cooperatives to shine ...It's time for a Socialist America . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqMMpMkKXsSad truth is : US will recover this economic crisis soon enough , even if they don't change their methods to treat people with respect and dignity , the Government is supported by major banks and rich companies , which inturns asks them for lineancy in issues that might create a problem for their reputation. It's been like that since years , in terms of developing and underdeveloped countries it's too much predominant . Now let's go over the details regarding socialism which was explained very nicely by the Google dictionary. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole It looks good in the theory but then it comes to implementing it , it really fails , this is not me saying it without any reason , it's what's been tried by 3 countries , and it failed , good thing they came out of it. There will always be a disparity unfortunately, we need a new form of Government I think but more than that , we need a good Government.
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USA will survive the economic crisis if it becomes a socialist country Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor . It's time for cooperatives to shine ...It's time for a Socialist America . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqMMpMkKXsSocialism failed everywhere around the word-Eastern Europe,Africa,Latin America,Asia. The successful Scandinavian countries aren't socialist-they are capitalist,but with a welfare state. What do you mean by socialism? 1.Capitalism with a welfare state(Scandinavian countries)?That's social democracy,not socialism. 2.Government ruled centralized economy and dictatorship(North Korea,Venezuela,USSR,Maoist China,Cuba)? The first option isn't "true socialism". The second option is a f**king disaster.
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August 15, 2020, 06:19:22 AM |
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USA will survive the economic crisis if it becomes a socialist country Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor . It's time for cooperatives to shine ...It's time for a Socialist America . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqMMpMkKXsThe biggest irony Russia becomes democratic and the USA becomes a socialist but it's not going to happen, because Americans are the most stubborn people and they rather succeed and failed as a democratic, and besides the world love to see a lot of dramas in a democratic USA it will stopped when they become a socialist.
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August 15, 2020, 07:07:28 AM |
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USA is the land of the free for all those who can afford it. It´s somehow funny that humans haven´t found a better solution than democracy, which at this point of our evolution dooesn´t seem to work. A good social system that backs up its people by supporting them in case of unemployment or health issues is great but it also gets abused. Just as with pretty much everything else, keeping balance is the key.
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August 15, 2020, 09:41:51 AM |
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Right! The USA needs to restore the essence of which it was founded and solve the social problems that have been plaguing it. The population is very willing to collaborate to enjoy the full right to life.
It is enough to see that a great majority of Organizations have come together to achieve it.
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August 15, 2020, 10:26:52 AM |
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Even the country that term them as democratic is following the socialist policies. USA too isn't an exemption, it is socialistic in its policies, because it hides the poverty and sufferings of people within the country and points out the next country. This itself a way of rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. So, no need to become a socialist country to survive economic crisis. With time there'll be recovery.
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August 15, 2020, 12:44:18 PM |
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If the United States becomes a socialist country it will survive the economic crisis because China thinks that socialism provides benefits for the development of their economy. But because of the inequality in America and a half americans are now facing so much discrimination in their society that they are forced to lean towards socialism. And this inequality is being created by the capitalist free market economy. Socialism is slowly beginning to take its place on the political stage of the entire Western world.
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August 15, 2020, 01:00:20 PM |
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If the United States becomes a socialist country it will survive the economic crisis because China thinks that socialism provides benefits for the development of their economy. But because of the inequality in America and a half americans are now facing so much discrimination in their society that they are forced to lean towards socialism. And this inequality is being created by the capitalist free market economy. Socialism is slowly beginning to take its place on the political stage of the entire Western world.
The Chinese government uses a very complex formula from capitalist socialism, which is ruled by the Communist Party. In any case, in the whole world there is no state system in the pure form of socialism or capitalism. But nevertheless in the USA it is very difficult to turn to the path of socialism, when the state is completely ruled by capitalism in the truest sense of the word.
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If the United States becomes a socialist country it will survive the economic crisis because China thinks that socialism provides benefits for the development of their economy.
You haven't actually said anything here. Are you trying to say that China will save the US if it becomes socialist, or are you saying that because China says socialism is good, it's guaranteed to succeed in America? Spoiler alert, China is not socialist, the CCP couldn't care less about the average Chinese person. They solely care about global domination (typical control freaks) and how China stacks up against the US. Also, anyone who makes a lot of money in China does their best to move their money the hell out of China as fast as possible. But because of the inequality in America and a half americans are now facing so much discrimination in their society that they are forced to lean towards socialism. And this inequality is being created by the capitalist free market economy. Socialism is slowly beginning to take its place on the political stage of the entire Western world.
This is completely wrong in every conceivable way. Maybe if you said they're forced to turn to welfare (though it certainly isn't anywhere close to half of all Americans). Inequality exists no matter what system you run, there's no such thing as complete equality of outcome (and that's not something you should ever strive for because it means you're rewarding people for bad behaviour). In a capitalist system, those who make good decisions repeatedly are rewarded, and those who make poor decision repeatedly are punished, this incentivizes you to get your act together.
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August 16, 2020, 05:49:22 AM |
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It already is a socialist country - for rich people and corporations. The savage capitalism is reserved for the little people.
They're not going to spread that socialism further down the food chain but let's see what happens in the aftermath of the virus. I can believe a lot of things that were previously unimaginable may become imaginable and it'll be done to preserve the hegemony of the rich.
So you mean they become socialists only to their own ranks? I don't know life there but it seems like racist problems occur everywhere not only because of differences in skin color or other bodies, but from social status as well, rich people only make friends with rich people? ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif)
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August 16, 2020, 06:02:00 AM |
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USA will survive the economic crisis if it becomes a socialist country Hundreds of years of capitalism proved that capitalism is not good... some get rich and 90% stay poor . It's time for cooperatives to shine ...It's time for a Socialist America . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGqMMpMkKXsJust wow, how do you come up with stuff like that. The examples for a working socialist country is not there. Russia didn't make it and China is just exploiting cheap labor and selling products to capitalist economies. Without country buying all their cheap products, China wouldn't be succesful at all. And in Europe Socialism doesn't seem to be working fully, with UK leaving the EU it's just the first step of the EU break up. Socialism in the EU won't work forever. Transfering wealth between a lot of people in a massive scale will make people lazy in the long end. It doesn't work.
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