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August 15, 2020, 03:45:03 PM
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China has a lot of ambitions to invade ever. they always copy other people's ideas to enrich themselves. in addition they are very populous and can produce a lot of goods to get rich easily. they are slowly manipulating in the Middle East and it is very effective.
That is also why Donald Trump must stand up to stop this ambition of China. If China becomes the number one power, there will be a lot of political instability in the future. Do you guys agree with me?

 Sure China has more than a billion people but if you count north America and Europe together the difference in population is not so big anymore. That's why I think comparing China only to USA is wrong. Plus there is no way China will be able to match the military strength of Nato. If China would try to match the nuclear arsenal of USA the public outcry would be immens. At the moment the sanctions against China are very limited, if things would escalate the economic impact would be catastrophic.
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August 15, 2020, 06:13:36 PM
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There are definitely some truth to this... Tom Miller wrote a book called, China's Asian Dream : Empire building along the new Silk Road and it gives a detailed explanation on what the Asian dream is and what influence this will have on the world.

China's portfolio of international loans rose from nearly ZERO in 2007 to US$187 Billion in 2013. The 3rd world countries are the juiciest target for the Chinese, because these countries are mostly ruled by corrupt governments.

The unprecedented population growth in China has pushed their government to allow for more than 5 million Chinese citizens to work and live overseas and this was way back in 2017.

In 2014, President Xi quoted Napoleon's old adage about China being a sleeping Lion, which when it wakes will shake the World. He reckons the Lion has already awakened but this Lion is a peaceful, amiable and civilized Lion. (Do you agree that Lions can be like this?)

Source: Quoted directly from the book mentioned above.  Wink

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August 15, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
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The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113
Why only China and Nazi Germany? Isn't every country in the world doing this? How were the colonial Britishers different? How is US different? It's just that when a country other than the Allied Powers start to do this they always have Problem with that country and they try to show that country as a bad villain in front of whole the world. Atleast as of now I see nothing wrong in China's Belt and road Initiatives. These aren't naive countries and China isn't forcing anything on any country. Each country have properly set up government systems who are willingly taking decision to be part of OBOR. China hasn't forced any country so far diplomatically or in any other way. These countries agreed themselves. Yes Sri Lanka did lost the rights of Hanbantota Port but once again it was their own choice to take Chinese funding in first place. China atleast hasn't used Military like USA. Also India too is developing such a strategy called necklace of diamonds to counter China's strategy which too is pretty good. I don't understand why western countries always have problems with development in the east.
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August 15, 2020, 06:59:32 PM
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If we compare China and the United States, then the Chinese government is pursuing a very tough policy towards all large companies and small and medium-sized businesses, where everyone works for the good of the country, and not for the good of their own pockets, as is done in the United States. That is why it is much easier in China to get out of any economic crisis.
This so called strict policy is suppression of any company's right to free speech. They are the biggest cancel culture, remember the companies who stand with Hongkong they will gain unfavorable decision from this juggernaut oppressor. Most of this strict policy are enforced because they try to prevent mudslinging targeted at the Party, remember Tianamen Square Massacre, no one talks about it because they successfully suppressed free media, but there will be people who will remember. Regarding the companies, most of them are backed or secretly owned by the Party, one good example of this is Tencent, I wouldn't say that they are better at handling companies unlike USA but they have a way to make the deals with these companies in favor of their government.

China is under  communist political leaderships, expect that they control everything under their jurisdictions, they are now starting to extend their powers and the tactics is how OP is trying to explained, a very good strategy that they don't need to go to war in order to control another countries but instead they are using their money to penetrates and have the power to control whatever poor countries that will fall to this tactics.

If this will continue and China succeeded to allure more and more third world countries it will extend this political types of administrations. We will wake up one morning that we are already been populated by more Chinese than the local people from our own soil.
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August 15, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
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China enhance the individual adaptability to the changing circumstances of human existence and environment than any other countries of the world. Come to development; China is well prepared individuals for useful and active, social, economy life in society.
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August 15, 2020, 07:45:15 PM
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This kind of winning does not bring any good for anyone. It not bringing any good fortune for the Chinese peoples, not for even the current ruling party. This kind of aggression is kind of a call for the destruction. What china is doing is pure aggression https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3azv88/china-thinks-it-can-arrest-basically-anyone-on-the-planet-for-criticizing-communism and they have to pay for it in future.

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August 15, 2020, 08:09:07 PM
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Most of the policies that enslave these 3rd world countries are not new and the agreement is written in black and white but the leaders in those countries are not smart enough to understand the demand and weakness of the agreement. It doesnt look like a mistake when it comes in different countries from the same continent whereas it doesnt come up in the same Asia continent and other continent. The last trade agreement of china with USA was even difficult for China to fulfilled because of the smartness of their leaders.
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August 15, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
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Politicians in the Chinese government have always had an idea of wanting to dominate the world, so they came up with many ways to take that country without resorting to force. This is a very good way that China is tacitly capturing some of the properties and land of many countries. Besides, there is also conspiracy theories that the Chinese government wants to launch its viral biological weapons to wreak havoc on the economies of the countries. Hopefully, the rest of the world will see the mind of those dictators and prevent them in any way.
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August 15, 2020, 08:46:14 PM
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Sri Lanka created build projects that weren't really profitable and unused.

Iran I believe is the next country where China is investing and China is also offering investment and even military partnership. As long as Iran decides not to sell an area of their land like what US did then they wouldn't fall for it.  US sold lands to Chinese and the Chinese owners sold it to China. Now China owns some farms in US.

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August 15, 2020, 09:13:53 PM
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China is always one step ahead of US and Europe.

Although China, US and Europe, have almost the same land mass, you can't deny that China have the most number of population around the world.
And that means more manpower for China, this is why the reproduction rate in China is the highest in the world coz in terms of number of worker and employee they are the leading one. This is the effect of having a business culture in China, more business more worker, more money, and more power. The gap between the number of employee in America and China is significantly high, America has only 130 million employee, while China has 806 million in 2018, billion in 2019. But still China is having a lack of employment since they have the most population in the world. It is not quite proportion I can say.

To my opinion reason for that is their mentality and very different culture, social and political system. It's not the one they should be especialy proud of but obviously it works. They have a very strict defined strategy they follow and they don't care much about human rights and freedom. No matter all the progress and economuc success I don't think this will end well.

When it comes to mentality or mindset, China really prioritize money above else. Being a business-minded person is normal to them, so it is more likely that China is certain to win this economic wars. Their approach towards businesses are really focused on their own success and growth, that's the reason why most of the countries do have a Chinatown.
They live with business in their mind, that's how thoughtful the chinese are. They don't study, have a degree then work, they are studying to be a businessman in the future. Chinese has the money on their head all the time and that's their power.

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August 15, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
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The analysis is reasonable because China has to make ta lks with emerging countries because the more developed countries have been indifferent to it.
Due while nations fight the pendemic they are contending China geopolitically. Because obviously they are not ready for the global economic recovery.

In the 2008 crisis, there were strategic alliances between the developed countries and the crisis came out quickly. We still don't know how it would happen this time.

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August 15, 2020, 09:44:52 PM
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China is under  communist political leaderships, expect that they control everything under their jurisdictions, they are now starting to extend their powers and the tactics is how OP is trying to explained, a very good strategy that they don't need to go to war in order to control another countries but instead they are using their money to penetrates and have the power to control whatever poor countries that will fall to this tactics.

Not only China though, there are tons of other country that does this as well even US. It may not seems as harsh as how China does this but you do know for a fact that if a country put up a good amount of money in another country, those country will receive some privilleges. So how does this different from China?

Besides that I dont really see how is that an issue though. Basically China wont be giving you free money without signing any deal to repay them. If the country sign them, that means they should already know the consequences incase they wont be able to pay. If they have no ability to pay, then they shouldnt be taking those money in the first place

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OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.

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August 16, 2020, 03:23:55 AM
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OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
No, I am not spreading it, I am merely scratching the surface on these so called negativity about the country. Have you heard about the Concentration camps for the Uyghurs which is mostly Muslim population? Have you heard about Tianamen Square Massacre? Did you know that China is a surveillance state?

If you think about idolizing China, do some searching on the web, they have articles about the questions above. You should know better not to side with China on this matter. Regarding the debt, you think that it is fair to take the infrastructure and the land? And do not forget that they replaced most of the employees to Chinese citizen, so basically China has a land in Sri Lanka. I do not spread negative information, I am just telling the truth.

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August 16, 2020, 03:35:53 AM
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OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
There is nothing as negativity with the thread. The economy plan of china through the silk road development is being briefed. There is nothing bad spread against the Chinese government. China is competing and compared against the economic development of USA. To keep them on the track China tries to have control on the neighbouring countries. The true plan of China isn't been still understood by the countries supported by China.

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August 16, 2020, 03:36:35 AM
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OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
If you think about idolizing China, do some searching on the web, they have articles about the questions above. You should know better not to side with China on this matter. Regarding the debt, you think that it is fair to take the infrastructure and the land? And do not forget that they replaced most of the employees to Chinese citizen, so basically China has a land in Sri Lanka. I do not spread negative information, I am just telling the truth.
I don't idolize China, in fact there suposedly "made in china" projects are cheap but of low quality. It just shows you how those Chinese are creating products that are inferior and yet spread them out across the globe to make money, economics 101. And they seems to spread out not just in Asia. In my country alone, you will see a lot of Chinese owning big corporations and really like we are turning into another Chinese territory. But we can't do anything, our country is in debt with the Chinese and give them a free pass.

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August 16, 2020, 06:06:47 AM
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But we can't do anything, our country is in debt with the Chinese and give them a free pass.

We can do something about it, in my opinion the governing authorities are the problem because they try to dance at the palm of these Chinese investors while on the other end of spectrum, China is having a tight leash on the foreign companies. We could do the same thing but most of the third world leaders are mostly stupid, corrupt or too scared to even stand up for once. It makes me sad that Chinese citizen is welcome in my country but mine is not.

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August 16, 2020, 08:19:01 AM
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OP, you are spreading negative information about the Chinese government and I don't think this is good for every one of us because the source of the debt Sri Lanka's own the Chinese government was their previous President Mahinda Rajapaksa. However, every third world country usually signs an agreement of a firm stake in some portion of the industry they borrowed funds to build if they are struggling to repay the loan till the loan is totally paid in full.
There is nothing as negativity with the thread. The economy plan of china through the silk road development is being briefed. There is nothing bad spread against the Chinese government. China is competing and compared against the economic development of USA. To keep them on the track China tries to have control on the neighbouring countries. The true plan of China isn't been still understood by the countries supported by China.
The government of China is really smart and they are now dominating the world, their performance in these past years are keep increasing and they keep climbing up in the ladders in terms of ranking country's power. Actually there is a popular meme right now in my country and it is about reverse card because a lot of country banned flight from China but now it seems that the China banning a lot of commercial flights from a lot of countries. Observe their economy, the stock market their fall but it bounce back easily because they curb the infected persons. The people in China are now living in normal. We should be aware that most of the equipments using in hospitals to treat and prrvent covid are been made in China and been distributed around the world. What I want to just say is Chinese government is so smart and they are really winning while a lot of countries are still suffering because of the pandemic.
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August 16, 2020, 08:43:39 AM
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In order for China to drop down other nations have to get out, and until they find a cheaper and better place they are not going to get out.

Right now facebook and apple and some other big ones are switching their work force to India slowly, they are not doing it right away but they are doing it slowly, that means eventually one day there will not be any apple product from china and most of it will be from India with some of it from other smaller nations like Vietnam or whatever. That is why I think China is buying so many companies out and they are building so many of their own companies, because they know that building and manufacturing stuff for other companies will eventually end, so they need to have their own source of income in order to keep being a big power and they are doing that very well too.

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August 16, 2020, 08:53:47 AM
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Recently I watch about this kind of things doing by the china they are allowing the other countries to make a loan to their country and there is a good impact too to the country who borrowed the money from China because they can now help their community like

Build infrastructure.
Clean their country
Fight for crime
Empower their government

With the use, the use of that money but think again, what if you didn't pay all of that debt the only thing that the china will do right now is you just need to allow them to control your countries like the import and export and more there are a lot of countries right now falling on this trap.

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