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Hi there guys! I find it hard to play poker, as of now I am always losing on that game. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) But of I am not using any money yet because I know I will just lose the game. Just playing online and offline... but I am really sick on it. Can you guys tell me more about the basics of this game. How do you play the game? And also if you could, the strategies that can be a key for winning. Hoping to your great responses Your best bet is to switch it up from time to time based on gameplay. If the table is loose, play tight waiting for your best shot to hit the stack. Likewise if the table is tight play a bit loose and take some cheap pots. Key is reading your table right and playing accordingly. Be flexible
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Idk, maybe you and I play cash games differently. I, for one, almost always quit immediately after a good win, but you can't quit a tournament when you are on the 1st place ... well, you can, technically, but you have zero chances of finishing on the 1st place then, and, depending on the number of players left, your chances of finishing ITM are slim. I think that luck plays bigger role in cash games than in tournaments, but, tbh, I rarely play cash games, so I can wrong here.
But why would you quit after a huge win immediately? Having a big bankroll on the table is great to show other players that you know how to play. Your stack definitely makes a difference in cash games in my opinion. With 1-2 cents as blinds your max stack you can sit down with on a table is 2$, but If you see someone with let's say 8$ you know already he doubled up 4x. Personally, if I face somehow who has less chips than me, I try to use my chips and bluff more often. But when the opponent has me covered I am a bit more cautious. For tournaments, being first is already great, you definitely have the highest chances to finish in the money. Playing more tight for a while and wait for players being knocked out is what I usually do.
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Being a poker fan, I would love to think that "poker is game with 80% of skill and 20 % of luck", as they say, but, actually, I agree with you. If you are a skillful poker player, you will beat an unskillful one in the long run(when hundreds, or, rather, thousands hands played), but you can never be sure of your victory in a particular game, or even in a tournament.
especially in a tournament. tournaments (especially ones with a large field) are much higher variance than cash games. that's why cash game players often hate tourneys---they take hours to finish a single one, and it takes hundreds or thousands to generate a good sample of your performance. Idk, maybe you and I play cash games differently. I, for one, almost always quit immediately after a good win ... lol, so you like to "hit and run"---not the best etiquette at a cash game table. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) why do you quit? because you're afraid you'll just give the money back? if the game is good (profitable) and i'm playing well, then i stay in, period. a deeper stack in a fishy game should only make things more profitable.
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Being a poker fan, I would love to think that "poker is game with 80% of skill and 20 % of luck", as they say, but, actually, I agree with you. If you are a skillful poker player, you will beat an unskillful one in the long run(when hundreds, or, rather, thousands hands played), but you can never be sure of your victory in a particular game, or even in a tournament.
especially in a tournament. tournaments (especially ones with a large field) are much higher variance than cash games. that's why cash game players often hate tourneys---they take hours to finish a single one, and it takes hundreds or thousands to generate a good sample of your performance. Idk, maybe you and I play cash games differently. I, for one, almost always quit immediately after a good win ... lol, so you like to "hit and run"--- not the best etiquette at a cash game table. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I understand, and that's why I rarely play cash games. The last time I played them was more than 2 months ago. why do you quit? because you're afraid you'll just give the money back?
Not only afraid, but I'm almost sure I'll give the money back. Why? Because this had happened many times in the past: first I win 3x or 4x of my initial bankroll, then 15-20 minutes later I lose it all. ... But you are right, it's not the best etiquette, and if I don't want to upset other people, I should probably stop playing cash games completely. That's why I love tournaments: they don't allow me to show my dark side - the desire to hit the jackpot and run. ~ if the game is good (profitable) and i'm playing well, then i stay in, period. a deeper stack in a fishy game should only make things more profitable.
This is not about me, definitely. I can never say whether the game is profitable or not.
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Well, I remember before when I was exploring my self to play poker. There is not strategy because getting a card in your hand is that an odds is what on based on luck. So, perhaps there is no strategy on it while playing poker, --it is a matter of skills when you start playing. I suggest you install a poker app offline in your cellphone and play or study what is a good handcard. Op stating on was he wrote was right.
Of course there are strategies. You even have to develop them based on the cards you get and your position in the game. Poker without strategy would not be poker. Before you start playing poker, you should first consider some simple strategies. These include good money management, otherwise you will quickly become a poor man.
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~ if the game is good (profitable) and i'm playing well, then i stay in, period. a deeper stack in a fishy game should only make things more profitable.
This is not about me, definitely. I can never say whether the game is profitable or not. well, did you win those pots based on skill or luck? or to put it more bluntly, is there a maniac at the table giving his money away? if so, you should probably stick around and take some of it. classic quote from my favorite poker movie, rounders: "if you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker." ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Well, I remember before when I was exploring my self to play poker. There is not strategy because getting a card in your hand is that an odds is what on based on luck. So, perhaps there is no strategy on it while playing poker, --it is a matter of skills when you start playing. I suggest you install a poker app offline in your cellphone and play or study what is a good handcard. Op stating on was he wrote was right.
Of course there are strategies. You even have to develop them based on the cards you get and your position in the game. Poker without strategy would not be poker. Before you start playing poker, you should first consider some simple strategies. These include good money management, otherwise you will quickly become a poor man.Meaning you can be successful playing poker with good money management and strategy? Do you know anyone anywhere that earns consistently from poker by depending on strategy, good money management, skills, etc? If such people exist, then I don't see much difference between them and those earning sustainably from their businesses. People should aquire the right skills before going into poker, I think.
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~ if the game is good (profitable) and i'm playing well, then i stay in, period. a deeper stack in a fishy game should only make things more profitable.
This is not about me, definitely. I can never say whether the game is profitable or not. well, did you win those pots based on skill or luck? As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part. or to put it more bluntly, is there a maniac at the table giving his money away? if so, you should probably stick around and take some of it. classic quote from my favorite poker movie, rounders: "if you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker." Idk, man, to be honest, I can spot a bluffer pretty quickly. But "sucker"? No, I can't spot a sucker. Imo, this is what poker game is about: pretending to be a sucker and winning in the end. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Well, I remember before when I was exploring my self to play poker. There is not strategy because getting a card in your hand is that an odds is what on based on luck. So, perhaps there is no strategy on it while playing poker, --it is a matter of skills when you start playing. I suggest you install a poker app offline in your cellphone and play or study what is a good handcard. Op stating on was he wrote was right.
Of course there are strategies. You even have to develop them based on the cards you get and your position in the game. Poker without strategy would not be poker. Before you start playing poker, you should first consider some simple strategies. These include good money management, otherwise you will quickly become a poor man.Meaning you can be successful playing poker with good money management and strategy? Do you know anyone anywhere that earns consistently from poker by depending on strategy, good money management, skills, etc? If such people exist, then I don't see much difference between them and those earning sustainably from their businesses. People should aquire the right skills before going into poker, I think. Poker is all about having good skill sand strategy to beat opponents. If someone is really good at it and can earn very good amount form it then yes they do not have to do job or businesses because playing poker and making money itself become job for them and there would be people who are depended upon the gambling money from the winnings by playing poker and other games. There are very few people who can completely subsist on just poker. You have to have a big enough bankroll to handle a really bad string of cards. It happens to everyone so if you can't handle that long downturn you won't be able to get away with just playing poker. I advise people to do it as a hobby on the side of having a full time job.
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August 27, 2020, 03:42:45 PM |
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Well, I remember before when I was exploring my self to play poker. There is not strategy because getting a card in your hand is that an odds is what on based on luck. So, perhaps there is no strategy on it while playing poker, --it is a matter of skills when you start playing. I suggest you install a poker app offline in your cellphone and play or study what is a good handcard. Op stating on was he wrote was right.
Of course there are strategies. You even have to develop them based on the cards you get and your position in the game. Poker without strategy would not be poker. Before you start playing poker, you should first consider some simple strategies. These include good money management, otherwise you will quickly become a poor man.Meaning you can be successful playing poker with good money management and strategy? Do you know anyone anywhere that earns consistently from poker by depending on strategy, good money management, skills, etc? If such people exist, then I don't see much difference between them and those earning sustainably from their businesses. People should aquire the right skills before going into poker, I think. Poker is all about having good skill sand strategy to beat opponents. If someone is really good at it and can earn very good amount form it then yes they do not have to do job or businesses because playing poker and making money itself become job for them and there would be people who are depended upon the gambling money from the winnings by playing poker and other games. Indeed, strategies are essential playing any game. And I think that for you to come up with strategies you must have enough experience and knowledge about it. Although, If I were to decide, I'd still choose to have a job while also earning from playing poker.
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August 27, 2020, 06:44:52 PM |
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Indeed, strategies are essential playing any game. And I think that for you to come up with strategies you must have enough experience and knowledge about it. Although, If I were to decide, I'd still choose to have a job while also earning from playing poker.
It's not as easy as it sounds. The current average level of poker players is quite high compared to what we could see 5 years ago, and even much higher than 10 years ago. Poker does not forgive mistakes, and the field is developing too fast. To earn poker, you need to live. It is very similar to trading in terms of the time and resources spent and the result obtained.
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Indeed, strategies are essential playing any game. And I think that for you to come up with strategies you must have enough experience and knowledge about it. Although, If I were to decide, I'd still choose to have a job while also earning from playing poker.
It's not as easy as it sounds. The current average level of poker players is quite high compared to what we could see 5 years ago, and even much higher than 10 years ago. Poker does not forgive mistakes, and the field is developing too fast. To earn poker, you need to live. It is very similar to trading in terms of the time and resources spent and the result obtained. But don't do it, poker is kind of game can result any experienced player to go bankrupt so they shouldn't have poker as kind of primary income source but there are lot of players doing it all the time but it doesn't mean they are living with it, they might be holding huge amount of stocks which can give them security for their survival so they are taking such risk by spending all the time but not all the resources.
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I think the best way to learn Poker is through doing—that's what I did at least.
Before I started playing at a casino or online, I first played at home games: at first for nothing, but then later on for small stakes. Once I could comfortably turn a profit from home games, I then starting playing low stakes tables.
Now I play at medium stakes most of the time.
I recommend the book "Essential Poker Math, Expanded Edition: Fundamental No-Limit Hold'em Mathematics You Need" <- good for learn which hands to play and calculating your outs.
You can also study how some of the greats play by watching WSOP on Youtube, look out for Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan etc, and see how they act in tough spots.
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Hi there guys! I find it hard to play poker, as of now I am always losing on that game. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) But of I am not using any money yet because I know I will just lose the game. Just playing online and offline... but I am really sick on it. Can you guys tell me more about the basics of this game. How do you play the game? And also if you could, the strategies that can be a key for winning. Hoping to your great responses I think. I would advise you to learn a little about poker at www.pokerstarsschool.com( if you have no friends to play with, or dont like to do this) Then I would advise you to play in play money mode Every good player develops his own strategy... It comes with the time! A key word in poker: Practice makes perfect! The golden rule that generally applies to gambling:NEVER play with money that you cannot lose even in the worst case, because you need it for your life.
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Indeed, strategies are essential playing any game. And I think that for you to come up with strategies you must have enough experience and knowledge about it. Although, If I were to decide, I'd still choose to have a job while also earning from playing poker.
It's not as easy as it sounds. The current average level of poker players is quite high compared to what we could see 5 years ago, and even much higher than 10 years ago. Poker does not forgive mistakes, and the field is developing too fast. To earn poker, you need to live. It is very similar to trading in terms of the time and resources spent and the result obtained. It's a ongoing process, there's actual spice that will allow you to keep using the same patterned over and over you have to increased your knowledge and skills. Experienced will allow you to find ways in adjusting to a better formula to work with your chances, poker players is not stopping they keep growing from time to time.
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But don't do it, poker is kind of game can result any experienced player to go bankrupt so they shouldn't have poker as kind of primary income source but there are lot of players doing it all the time but it doesn't mean they are living with it, they might be holding huge amount of stocks which can give them security for their survival so they are taking such risk by spending all the time but not all the resources.
If you make poker your main source of income, and therefore your main job, you are taking that risk. In addition, there are certain rules, which it is better not to go beyond, in order to avoid the element of randomness leading to unpredictable losses. Therefore, it is imperative that you always stick to bankroll management. Poker is a game of probabilities, the more correct your decisions are in the long run and the more you keep your bankroll, the higher the probability of a stable income.
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As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part. re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B.
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Learn to bluff and think wisely if you will call in the game, that's one of the basics in poker. But don't do it, poker is kind of game can result any experienced player to go bankrupt so they shouldn't have poker as kind of primary income source but there are lot of players doing it all the time but it doesn't mean they are living with it, they might be holding huge amount of stocks which can give them security for their survival so they are taking such risk by spending all the time but not all the resources.
If you make poker your main source of income, and therefore your main job, you are taking that risk. In addition, there are certain rules, which it is better not to go beyond, in order to avoid the element of randomness leading to unpredictable losses. Therefore, it is imperative that you always stick to bankroll management. Poker is a game of probabilities, the more correct your decisions are in the long run and the more you keep your bankroll, the higher the probability of a stable income. Yes, if you are trying to be a professional poker player, you need a lot of experiences before making it as a source of income. It's hard to rely on gambling games, you don't know when will you win in the game. Actually, only a few people in this world can make gambling as a source of income but before they made it into that, they already have a lot of experiences on the game that will make them last longer on the league.
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As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part. re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically--- i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B. If you mean experienced vs inexperienced player, I totally agree with you. But there are thousands of pretty good poker players in the world, and when, say, a 100 of them meet in a tournament with 20 paid places, it depends 90% on luck, who of them will end up ITM. I personally think that today any online poker tournament with $100+ prize pool attracts several such players, and who of them will win depends mostly on luck. Basically, that's what I mean when saying "luck still plays a big part". I don't take inexperienced players into account.
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As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part. re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B. If you mean experienced vs inexperienced player, I totally agree with you. But there are thousands of pretty good poker players in the world, and when, say, a 100 of them meet in a tournament with 20 paid places, it depends 90% on luck, who of them will end up ITM. in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.
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