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August 20, 2020, 03:55:20 PM
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I think the world economy will continue to be difficult until the end of next year if the disease is not pushed back. Covid 19 vaccine will be a way to stabilize the world. When the economic downturn is caused by a pandemic, people will spend more money, the whole society does not create as much goods as before. The rich continue to be richer and the poor are poorer. The evidence is that stocks in financial markets have risen higher than before. S&P500 has risen higher than before.
I believe that after this economic recession, conflict between classes in society will continue to increase.
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August 20, 2020, 04:05:06 PM
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The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

I don't think it will go to infinite loops because already Russia and China government has declared about COVID vaccine. I think at the end of the year we will come across more countries vaccine. So we can hope for as early as possible recover of COVID. So when it come to control of us economy will back its previous stage gradually and already maximum countries economy going back their previous stage slowly. It only possible to infinite loop if another more dangerous pandemic come with another virus at this situation otherwise no tension about it.

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August 20, 2020, 04:20:59 PM
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Afaik in math you cannot decide a repeating thing is infinite only from 2 "loops".
Iirc from shool (loong ago) you need "reduction to absurdity" for this.

So for now we clearly cannot tell it'll be or not an infinite loop. I hope that a good number of humans are capable to learn. The others .. we can pray they're strong and lucky.
Also the science tries to help. Although I think that the current century's medicine is not worthy of its name (I find it closer to statistics than what medicine should be), they do try to do something - a vaccine, a cure, or at least some hope.

All in all, although it'll take much longer than the official voices want us to believe, it will surely not be infinite loop (actually humanity wouldn't even live that long), instead, sooner or later we'll get to some sort of normality.



An interesting thing is that the statistics tell that because of COVID lock down, this year there were less deaths in my country than last year.
It worth mentioning that we use(d) to be pretty much champions at deaths by road accidents.

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August 20, 2020, 04:21:30 PM
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I don't think anything can be said until the vaccine is available. If the second COVID-19 wave comes it is going to be much more deadly than the first. The second wave will actually exhaust everything at the rate at which the economy has been damaged in the first place. the second wave is more likely not to come. Russia is in the process of creating the virus and is moving forward. if successful, it will be possible to cure the virus.
That vaccine would also have to go under trials in every country in which it is introduced. If the vaccine meets the standards of the country then only the health organisations will allow it to be introduced in the country specific vaccination scheme.
A lot of new news articles are on the internet that says the virus is mutating and the new strain found in the infected people is more likely to cause infections in the population than the previous strains found from the samples taken from infected individuals. So, if the second wave comes then it can really make the economy cripple and maybe the much feared recession can be seen alongwith high mortality rates in the population.

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August 20, 2020, 09:47:57 PM
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I think the uprising of the waves can still be prevented to come if we will still take notice of exhibiting the strict health protocols even at countries where there are already no covid-19 cases for we still cannot ensure that those who have been recovered from having positive results from covid-19 cannot get infected once again that might trigger for the number of waves to come. By this, we must still be using face masks and bring alcohols for sanitation to keep ourselves from potential spread of virus for I think the best thing we could hope to end the rising of the cases is for the vaccine to be created to end up this pandemic.

Even if we open up the business establishments and make people get back to work, we must still ensure to observe the exhibition of health protocols for we are still not safe outside while the vaccines are still under clinical trials. If we would keep this strict protocols to be observe, we can lessen the probability of the virus to spread once again avoiding the chance of second and so on waves to arise.
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August 21, 2020, 10:17:59 AM
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It's definitely possible to have a second wave of this pandemic in each and every country until there's a clinically approved vaccine produced. In our country, we're still in the first wave and not really close to ending it because there's a lot of local transmission.

Controlling and preventing covid wave is possible though and depends on how the leaders govern in your place. It's also about how they study the necessary actions before implementing guidelines to the public to avoid spreading the virus. Without a smart and strategical leader, second wave is surely going to happen.

I'd like to commend the strategic ways of New Zealand and Vietnam for containing the covid-19. One thing they have in common is a smart leader eager to limit the spread of the virus in their community. They closed their borders, sacrificed the partial collapse of the tourism industry for the better good. And now, they're back to normal unlike the rest of us. They also conducted aggressive mass testing to almost everyone to make sure there's no local transmission.

But then again, these are just the prevention and will not really guarantee on having no second wave. Right now, economies are collapsing due to closing of companies and increase in unemployment. I just hope they would produce sooner the vaccine that completed all the stages to be distributed all over the world.
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August 21, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
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I don't think anything can be said until the vaccine is available. If the second COVID-19 wave comes it is going to be much more deadly than the first. The second wave will actually exhaust everything at the rate at which the economy has been damaged in the first place. the second wave is more likely not to come. Russia is in the process of creating the virus and is moving forward. if successful, it will be possible to cure the virus.

The problem is that everyone is waiting for the vaccine. The question is whether it will work as well as hoped. You can see from the annual waves of influenza how quickly the viruses change and the vaccine then no longer works properly, so a slightly new one has to be developed. But what happens if the virus changes in different ways depending on the geographic location, so that a vaccacine working in Europe does not work in China. Also, previous studies have shown that only very few people who had Covid-19 produce anti-bodies for a short time. A vaccination stop strategy is dependent on the long-term formation of anti-bodies, otherwise it will have no effect.
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August 21, 2020, 01:25:30 PM
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Indeed, many people say that the second wave of case after case each country is infected with the positive virus is increasing, in this case so that it can be said that the spread of the corona virus ends must be controlled against the decline in this case.

If on deeper examination it is currently triggering a second wave, it has the most frightening disruption to devastated economies in various parts of the world, with the common reasons being: Traffic is jammed, many children cannot go to school, activities are reduced, for that all this is done to be able to control the spread of the corona virus.

What is clear is that many countries have implemented strategies and actions for the emergence of a second wave of pandemic cases and positive cases, for that at this time no one can confirm what will happen regarding the corona virus in the future.

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August 21, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
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So sad to hear that. Unfortunately, we can't really see the end of this crisis unless the vaccine is being released. And good to know that Russia is the first country now who is about to release the cure/the vaccine that they said will last for 2 years to human's immunity on covid-19. If this will be released soon, and the mass testing/trials will turn out better, then maybe we can say that the end of chaos is near and I guess the economy will eventually arise. On the other hand, I don't see any signs that the European economy will totally drop, I always believe that the vaccine will be created and released before it collapse, that won't happen though. European countries are known to be rich and they can handle this crisis well, just like the first wave.
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I can't believe the second wave is coming.  In my country, many people don't care so the conditions here are like nothing happened, but the data on victims of being infected with Covid continues to increase.  Sometimes I think that this is not a pandemic but a plandemic.  The media exaggerates bad news related to Covid and causes many people to fear so that their immune system is weak so they are prone to catching diseases.  If only the world could heal and not make things worse with scary news.  it's not that bad that it causes a second wave to be present.
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pandemic end recession will coming, i think 2021 world will get economic recession and some big country already confirmed.
singapore, germany, japan, etc,
in my contry enforces a new normal. stay safe.

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I can't believe the second wave is coming.  In my country, many people don't care so the conditions here are like nothing happened, but the data on victims of being infected with Covid continues to increase.  Sometimes I think that this is not a pandemic but a plandemic.  The media exaggerates bad news related to Covid and causes many people to fear so that their immune system is weak so they are prone to catching diseases.  If only the world could heal and not make things worse with scary news.  it's not that bad that it causes a second wave to be present.
Many people also say the same thing as you say, but believe this virus is there and can infect you at any time without your knowing it. Viruse are a threat to everyone even though sometimes the media make thing worse with scary news.

Many people in my area even believe that Covid-19 is a fabricated disease state because some case of data discovery have been manipulated. It is disgusting because there are people who want to enrich themselve in this situation. You may not believe the Covid-19 that is reported by the media, but rest assured this virus is very dangerous and is a real threat to everyone.

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August 21, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
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Seems pretty minor for a second wave. It's more of a bubbling under. Let's see what winter brings when more people are huddled indoors. I can't see any country doing another full lockdown no matter what but equally I've no idea how they'd tackle it if it started raging again.

Maybe while they're dithering that much vaunted herd immunity may arrive.
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Each and every country will surely deny that they would be facing the second wave for the government will surely be the one to be blamed for the sprouting of another wave because it will mean that the plans they have implemented to help prevent the spread of virus seems to be inefficient and ineffective for another wave to come out. It would be a failure on their part and it would be hard to admit that after dealing with the first wave of covid-19 cases is they would now be entering a second wave which will somehow show the type of governance they have done on facing this pandemic.

Such thing could be possible to happen if the government and its people will not jive into a clear coordination because it will make no sense if those two are not making their best to resolve this crisis that will trigger the second wave of pandemic to arise. I think for this scenario to be prevented, there must be still a strong implementation of health protocols that must be improving as time passes by while we are still waiting for the vaccine to be ready for distribution that will end this pandemic. We must not just keep on waiting and doing nothing because the worst thing might happen if we will just wait and will not observe to exhibit strict health protocols to prevent the spread of virus.

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August 21, 2020, 06:32:11 PM
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Each and every country will surely deny that they would be facing the second wave for the government will surely be the one to be blamed for the sprouting of another wave because it will mean that the plans they have implemented to help prevent the spread of virus seems to be inefficient and ineffective for another wave to come out. It would be a failure on their part and it would be hard to admit that after dealing with the first wave of covid-19 cases is they would now be entering a second wave which will somehow show the type of governance they have done on facing this pandemic.

I don't think they'd have a problem admitting it, they'd certainly have a problem knowing what to do about it. If only one country had a second wave that would be different but they all will if another happens.

Not sure about other countries, but the UK response has been gradually splintering and doubling back on itself and it's reached the point where people have been so saturated with doublespeak and rule changes they'll switch to their own common sense, or lack thereof, no matter what they're officially advised.
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Many countries deny the second COVID-19 wave coming, but data circulating on social media and the internet shows something else.
There is an increase in the number of infected after several countries decided to lifted quarantine and lockdowns, from here to start
the cause of the second COVID-19 wave coming. Because it opened the quarantine too quickly, there should be absolutely 0% no new
cases infected happen. Quarantine and lockdown can be lifted. However, the government was pressed for economic problems, so forced
the opening of quarantine. Regarding Russia planning to launch the COVID-19 vaccine, hasn't proven its success so don't get your hopes up.

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this was expected by economists, although cases are still increasing, businesses are operating normally. just the luxury goods are not in demand as much as before, the tourism industry is also badly affected, but in addition, other industries are still very good.
The great thing is that Russia developed the Vaccine and they could save the whole world economy. we should be optimistic for the future economic situation, financial markets are still very bustling.


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Anyone really thinks this vaccine thing that has been talked about so much will be basically fixing all this trouble? I am not really wise about medical related stuff and I do not want to talk about stuff I am not familiar with but it looks like vaccine is not really 100% solution neither, we have vaccine for common flu yet we still get it all the time, which means maybe people would still get the covid virus even with the vaccine? At which case what does the vaccine work for in that case?

I really do not know if the second wave will be worse or better but I feel like only certain nations will have it, we will not have it as a whole world. Some like USA that failed to respond to it properly could have a second wave, honestly the first wave is not even over, but places that provides zero deaths right now might not have anything.

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The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?
Vaccines are being produced at the moment and many companies have claimed that they can seal the virus with their medicines. I believe in these medical companies. We have been fought against many different diseases and most of the time, we gain victory. Therefore, I dont think that there will be a second Covid-19 wave. People are working together to stop the virus once and for all. Governments are putting their efforts and money on researches and scientists in laboratories seem to work day and night to serve the people.

Moreover, our economy is recovering sharply. There is no sign that it will be prevented by any force, including this Covid-19. Just look at gold. It has increased significantly since the early of 2020.

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