Second COVID-19 wave is coming...Infinite loop?

[tyz]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

[jackg]

The pandemic won't be contained to a few months. It'll be going until at least January with more waves. I noticed the huge spike in German cases too and I think new Zealand got a few more.

Some countries are more prepared for the pandemic now though too - the power of lockdown in the UK has been devolved to the city mayors - or at least on their advice.

[Oasisman]

Is there really a second wave?
I'm not aware of the international news since Im so fed up with fake statistics in my country already, even fake statistics in my local region. I don't know but I slowly lose my beliefs with how dangerous this pandemic is. I felt like this is a business related PLANdemic.

Anyway, the 2nd wave surely will give us the worst economic situation in the history as majority of the countries are being pinned down by the pandemic, specially in the financial aspects. Companies are lossing millions of dollars already due to its temporary closure, and here it goes again, the 2nd wave, another quarantine and crowd control. Stores, businesses are closing again.

[rdbase]

The world seems to coming to terms this is a real situation we are all in now and if we are to continue on with this new normal, we need to make sacrifices in the way of living our lives.
Schools and universities were reopening in some states but after just a week of it they turned away students from gathering in those classed theatres and changed it to attending their classes remotely by teaching them online instead.
The key to have this work is the world needs to adjust to this panademic situation and to not just brush it off as "it will just go away".
As I have seen a cruise ship company has allowed a bunch of passengers to go on a month long passage to multiple stops in places into Italy ports.
And found myself saying, isn't it too soon to have people going to the most red area at the start of all this and be confined in a limited space with condensing the problem if just one person tests positive one day of that month?

[lovesmayfamilis]

I don't think there will be a second or third wave. Russia has already launched a vaccine against Covid-19. Many European countries have made an order. In the coming months, China is also releasing its vaccine. Therefore, I think it's not worth waiting for a repetition of such a pandemic. The only thing that worries many is the attitude towards compulsory vaccination. Well this, I think, will be everyone's choice.

[lepbagong]

I don't think there will be a second or third wave. Russia has already launched a vaccine against Covid-19. Many European countries have made an order. In the coming months, China is also releasing its vaccine. Therefore, I think it's not worth waiting for a repetition of such a pandemic. The only thing that worries many is the attitude towards compulsory vaccination. Well this, I think, will be everyone's choice.

right, totally agree that it is unthinkable that there will be a second wave pandemic and so on. China has given the vaccine it has to be tested in my country and adjusted to the cultural conditions of my country, and the stage that has been done is already in the third phase, aka it has reached humans, it is just a matter of waiting for developments whether it is successful or not, if it is successful it will be mass produced.

but the latest news is that one of the universities in my country has found a cure for the Covid-19 pandemic and is just waiting for permission from the government to be mass produced. This is renewable news and is not like a vaccine if this drug has been proven to be 90% used and successful.

[ChiBitCTy]

The truth is no one really knows.  This is all new to everyone, so we are learning new stuff almost every second of every day being that this is a nascent virus.  I had a yearly physical yesterday and my Dr told me he's yet to know of anyone who's gotten it twice, or heard of it in the medical community.  I don't think there's really been a "second wave" anywhere yet.

[plvbob0070]

I have not heard much news about other countries but in my country, we're still far from ending the first wave. I believe that the virus will continue spreading while there's still no vaccine available. Even some countries that were able to flatten the curve, they still have new cases which are kinda inevitable since countries have already lifted the travel ban.

I'm not sure if you heard about it but a pool party was held in Wuhan where the virus started. I just find it risky even if they were able to do a good job handling the virus since there is still a possibility that it might spread. And while a lot of countries are still struggling with the pandemic, they are having a party with no mask and social distancing.

[avikz]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

I don't think it will go on forever. Yes, few countries have been hit by the second wave of covid now. Even in China, we are hearing news about new covid positive patients and many companies have again sent their employees to work from home. Even my company has again closed down their office in Beijing few weeks back.

But it can't go on forever. Entire world is trying to bring a vaccine for this and I strongly believe something effective will be found shortly. Also businesses are now more resilient in this new normal. So the kind of effect it had during its first wave, the same impact will not be seen during the second wave and even in third wave if any.

The vaccine is just a matter of time and the entire world is waiting for that. Let's just hope for the best!

[bitsurfer2014]

This "COVID-19 second wave" is not surprising and I bet there will be third wave, fourth wave and so on and so forth, not until people become disciplined enough to observe religiously health protocols to help eradicate this pandemic.

Now we can't deny that a sudden surge of infections in some countries known to have made progress in fighting the disease (e.g. Italy) may have been due to people's hard headedness, clumsiness, etc.. in following recommended protocols coupled with the Government's dangerous policies (e.g. easing of restrictions / protocols) all of which should be resolve immediately. Imho.

[Darker45]

The world's economy is already on its knees during the first wave. It hasn't recovered yet since then, although it is already on its way, albeit slowly. A second wave would certainly stunt any progress of recovery.

This is going to be very bad for every country's economy. Unemployment and poverty rate would certainly continue to increase along with the increase of infected individuals. The ripple effect of this pandemic would extend up to a country's education, human rights, productivity, psychological health, and so on and so forth. 

All of this will only stop upon the release of effective vaccines or medications.

[AniviaBtc]

Even in China, they can't eliminate the virus 100% because of the people who are violating the rules again.
As I've checked their covid-19 cases in their country via Wikipedia, they reached less than 100 active cases in April or May. But right now, they have almost 600 active cases, I think that's the second wave that they are experiencing. They go back to normal even if there's still a risk of getting the disease in their country.
Based on my observations, I think this Covid-19 will not be eliminated perfectly, this has a lot of potential to become a normal disease just like HIV, Ebola, Malaria, and etc.

[Lucius]

Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

The drastic increase in the number of infected people has primarily appeared in countries that have almost completely opened up due to tourism - and here we can take the examples of Spain or Croatia. The number of people entering and leaving these countries is an ideal factor for the spread of the virus, and on the example of Croatia we can see that the second wave is almost twice as strong as the first with approximately 200 new cases every day.

The following infographic clearly shows what happens when you go from a full lockdown to a full opening.

Source

When the flow of people in these countries decreases (and the tourist season is coming to an end), I believe that the number of infected people will also decrease. It is especially important to note that the largest percentage of newly infected are young people who became infected in nightclubs, which in my opinion is something that should have been absolutely banned. However, the good news is that the number of deaths is very small, and that several vaccines are already in the final stages of testing and could be applied this year.

As far as I know, no country will go into complete lockdown anymore - unless the situation worsens drastically, which I doubt again because now we still know what we are dealing with and the availability of protective equipment is much better than in the first wave.

[whyrqa]

Perhaps today we can already observe the second wave of coronavirus. I live in Ukraine and today, over the last 24 hours, the Ministry of Health has recorded the largest number of cases, and there were no such daily indicators at the beginning of a pandemic. If before the current period we observed a certain decline in the incidence, now the opposite trend is taking place. It is possible that this is due to the indiscipline of citizens and due to ignorance of the elementary rules to combat the spread of the virus.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't know but I slowly lose my beliefs with how dangerous this pandemic is. I felt like this is a business related PLANdemic.

I wouldn't go so far as to say this is a big conspiracy, but the world's reaction to COVID-19 has been way out of proportion to the actual threat it poses--so I'd say you're 100% justified in starting to think this isn't as bad as governments and media outlets are saying.

Seasonal flu is an "infinite loop" of viral infection and this could turn out to be just like that.  The world can't stay locked up forever, though.  Life has to go on, whether there's a risk of infection or not. 

All of this will only stop upon the release of effective vaccines or medications.

That, or when society stops overreacting to the threat the virus poses.  I'm hoping an effective vaccine is in the pipeline, but I also hope people come to their senses and stop thinking this is an Ebola outbreak or something similar.

[Alert31]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

I think China is not included in a second wave because now they are already celebrating and opening their country in a normal situation. Unlike the other country that still facing a great number of covid positive. In my country,i don't know if we are already in a second wave because so far the covid case are still keep on increasing but the government already impose a relatively loose quarantine implementation due to economic problem. They said the economy is no longer capable of continuing to lockdown,people need to work even covid virus keep on spreading everywhere.

[smyslov]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

But if you checked the source of this virus Wuhan they are now almost Covid free and from empty streets a lot of pools are now packed so are buildings parks and public places they are almost back in business.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53816511

[mersal]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Many countires are not interested in reporting about the real statistics because it gets big hit on their revenue chain so it seems media is saying that things are going to be okay soon since vaccines are going to be available for us in real soon.Here in my country as well the cases are not flattened yet from the first wave and it is getting worse day by day but nothing here to lockdown since everything is opened with the name of lockdown relaxation and almost 90% of old scenario is back.

[azmirihaque]

It is very sad news for all. Corona has already badly affected the world's economy, business, service sector and specially education. It is very much necessary to control Corona Virus in any way. Otherwise we have to face a tragic future.

[Raflesia]

It can happen there is a second wave and thereafter because many do not comply with government protocol rules I see now that many vacation spots are open and big concerts in some Europe it is not impossible to have a big effect on the second wave because with indiscipline people can make it fatal to everyone because this impact is so great.
The government continues to suppress the number of infected will be able to reduce it from before but if the residents do not obey the rules then this will destroy all of them.

[Chrystora123]

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the impact generated by the second wave is unlikely to be as severe as the first.. I see that most countries are already thinking more about the economic impact than this "pandemic", governments around the world are aware that the spread of this disease can no longer be controlled, so they are more focused on recovering their countries' economies faster.  the fact is that the residents no longer care about this "pandemic", like what happened in my city, as many as 80% of the residents leave the house not wearing masks anymore, the residents are really tired panic over this "pandemic"..

[rodskee]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Many countires are not interested in reporting about the real statistics because it gets big hit on their revenue chain so it seems media is saying that things are going to be okay soon since vaccines are going to be available for us in real soon.Here in my country as well the cases are not flattened yet from the first wave and it is getting worse day by day but nothing here to lockdown since everything is opened with the name of lockdown relaxation and almost 90% of old scenario is back.

The very problem of each government around, they are risking the people to make sure that the economy will
survive, allowing business to operate again and people to go back outside.
This virus are continuously hitting more people, so instead of limiting the virus or containing the virus it's more
likely to spread as carriers are at large.
Second wave is very dangerous if the vaccine that being introduced is not capable of curing the current virus.
We all need to hope for the best.

[verita1]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

But if you checked the source of this virus Wuhan they are now almost Covid free and from empty streets a lot of pools are now packed so are buildings parks and public places they are almost back in business.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53816511

Yes, I see Spain badly, it has more numbers of infections.
With an imminent 2nd wave of Covid19 infections whose inhabitants did not respect the new normal. We are still living with Coronavirus, there is no cure and we are vulnerable. This celebration in Wuhan, China was not very well regarded by public opinion on Twitter. Nor am I happy about their celebration because day by day I fight for my family for survival to protect them from the virus.

[Shasha80]

It is true that the second wave is coming, as long as the health protocol cannot be run in a disciplined manner and a vaccine has not yet been found.
Will continue to emerge the next wave, I hope that the vaccine that is in the trial phase will be successful, so we can all live normally again.Because
the situation is now getting worse, because several countries are starting to see their spread increasing again. May we all be granted the strength to
face this situation.

[jademaxsuy]

Tge second wave has already happen. Most of the asian countries had already experiencing it where high cases has been recorded and now it somehow settles down. But covid is still there and some countries are rushing to make a vaccine.

The problem with the vaccine is that most of it was being made rush and the problem is its side effect. we know that vaccine coule make the covid 19 virus worst if scientist will not be careful enough by rushing things in making the vaccine. Anyway, I hope that it will be successful unlike the dengvaxia vaccine.

[Twinkledoe]

It is true that the second wave is coming, as long as the health protocol cannot be run in a disciplined manner and a vaccine has not yet been found.
Will continue to emerge the next wave, I hope that the vaccine that is in the trial phase will be successful, so we can all live normally again.Because
the situation is now getting worse, because several countries are starting to see their spread increasing again. May we all be granted the strength to
face this situation.

Since the virus is mutating and have so many variants, we can't expect one vaccine to be potent as expected. But it is true that with the vaccine, we can have a lil bit peace of mind mingling with others as sometimes you can't avoid interacting with people in your everyday activities. But right now, I think the best way to combat this is to make sure that we are in good health condition. As much as possible no vices like smoking or drinking.

[Darker45]

All of this will only stop upon the release of effective vaccines or medications.

That, or when society stops overreacting to the threat the virus poses.  I'm hoping an effective vaccine is in the pipeline, but I also hope people come to their senses and stop thinking this is an Ebola outbreak or something similar.

Well, I guess the society has somehow gone past the phase of exaggerated fear.

 
https://starecat.com/fear-corona-vs-corona-cases-march-june-comparison-keanu-reeves/

That can easily be observed among people even in cities where the number of infected cases is still climbing fast. However, the governments cannot just ignore the fact that rising infection causes hospitals to overflow with patients and that it forces a lot of economic activities to stop thereby resulting to rising unemployment and growing poverty incidence. So while we cannot be walking on eggshells all the time, the governments have to somehow instill to the public mind that there is still an unseen monster out there.

[The cure]

Yes we are really experiencing the second wave right now, even in asian countries, the positive cases is badly increasing day by day. Most of the people are getting comfortable around and they are ignoring government warnings, they are celebrating too much and have forgotten the threat of the virus so this is the result of stubbornness. We are all waiting for the vaccine to be developed, but sadly because of what happening now scientists are in a hurry to launch the vaccine even if it is not yet fully tested. Just follow the government guidelines and taking care of ourselves is the best weapon during this time.

[Shutup]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Because of this covid our country now is on the big debt now that even our president is crying on it while many of the citizens here don’t even have a exact food for a day. Because of covid the world’s economy is really crashing. No one knows when it will end but as of now we need to be careful and wise.

[Latviand]

Vaccine needs a lot of time and effort to see its full potential, it needs to be observed for so many years to test its effectiveness in the long run.

Probably, this Covid-19 will last longer than we expected because vaccines are risky if we injected it to people immediately. It can somehow help us become immune right now, but there are a lot of possible side effect that it can affect a person permanently. If we have no choice then we need to settle with that newly discovered vaccine.

Second wave are most probably coming to us if people continuously become stubborn towards the safety protocols and rules regarding this pandemic.

[abhiseshakana]

The fact that there is currently the reign of terror that is created is not on Covid and its effects on health, but there is a transition of thinking from the society that it is more important to think about the economy than to think about how to stem Covid. It seems as if Covid has metamorphosed from extraordinary to ordinary. Even though almost all countries are affected by a recession due to Corona, the different conditions of the resilience of each country have different effects. The condition of the European recession is certainly different from the condition of the Asian recession because of its different initial position.

In pandemic conditions like this, holding power seems irrelevant, because there are very few options and maneuvers that a ruler can do. The government is required to protect sources of income as well as provide stimulus, must safeguard state assets and reserves as well as avoid budget deficits by holding back spending, but must continue to carry out routine spending.

[Rosilito]

That can easily be observed among people even in cities where the number of infected cases is still climbing fast. However, the governments cannot just ignore the fact that rising infection causes hospitals to overflow with patients and that it forces a lot of economic activities to stop thereby resulting to rising unemployment and growing poverty incidence. So while we cannot be walking on eggshells all the time, the governments have to somehow instill to the public mind that there is still an unseen monster out there.

I wonder how or would it be even make a sense? People are becoming fed up with those warnings (the picture you have, best portrays the idea). Well they aren't taking the threat this virus can do any longer. Like the lack of social distancing inside the train one month ago, read here, people not wearing mask when in public places, gatherings, and whatnot. Not sure if they're forgetting or they are just I-don't-care-as-I-need-to-work-to-get-money type of guy or whatever reasons they have. Yeah... reminders were there but I don't think that it will be enough to discipline them. I'm not sure anymore though, even a strict a protocol tend to be violated easily  . Getting those vaccines ready as soon as possible, were the only hope we have now.

[raidarksword]

The first wave we had experienced was already a big toll towards our world health and economies that many suffered and died for this pandemic. I don't think we may be able to recover soon enough if this second wave will come to us and hit us again at full force. If only all people can follow simple health protocols few months ago, we already won this fight but sad to say we are far away from become winners due to people lack of self-discipline when out in the public. People negligence will only bring more suffering and only delay the recoveries we longing few months ago.

[Janation]

Never thought that we will be experiencing the 2nd wave.

The frustrating part here is that our country is not even done with the first wave, then here comes the second wave, HIV might be, but Covid-19? I don't think so. The government are still waiting for the vaccine of Russia to come, while we are still being the lab rats of that country, I hope they would find a way to quickly trace people so we would not have these problems. I know it is not just the government, it is also the people. I think we will be like this for another year.

[lienfaye]

I think it is expected to have a second wave since there's no vaccine yet and given the fact how easy this virus can pass to one another.

Here in our country there's no sign that the virus is already under control because each day the number of cases are still increasing and it seems a normal scenario for us.

Some people cant stay at home due to lack of food. They are coerce to work despite of the risk outside getting infected. Our government has no budget already and cant afford to sustain the needs of the citizens so people should work to balance the economy.

[bearexin]

The best solution to this problem that the world is having now is to find a cure or vaccine . Apart from this, I don’t think that people around the world are ready to stop their jobs that they are doing to put food on their table because of this covid19. And apart from the fact that there will be hunger, if we decide to stop the work we are doing because of this covid19 that means the economy stands another risk of falling to the low range again.

Moreover, I have been seeing some news that some countries have discovered a cure. Just like Madagascar herbal drink that is claimed would cure the virus. WHO has said it will go through clinical trials before being approved. Then I saw a news that Russia has also discovered a cure.

[mezzaluna]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Knowing that they taken into consider that the Second Wave of the corona virus is coming, its good that they know that they are credible for what will happen throughout the months when the Corona Virus affects them. It will still surely affect most economic statuses of different countries and I'm sure that they can recover since they already defeated them once and surely can defeat them again.

[peter0425]

The vaccine is already here and i believe that this cure will be spread within this year to totally stop this virus and the world start up again as new normal.


But indeed that the second wave is more dangerous than the first.

[LogitechMouse]

The vaccine is already here and i believe that this cure will be spread within this year to totally stop this virus and the world start up again as new normal.

There has been vaccine that had been released around the world. First is the Sputnik V created by the Russians
Another is the Lianhua Qingwen from China. Although this one isn't a vaccine but they says that it helps to at least lessen the cases of COVID19.

There are some which are at work as of this moment but I'm not expecting for a working vaccine until next year. The Vaccine that Russia created skipped some of its clinical trials that is why many are doubting on it even though it gives promising results in the patients in their country.

But indeed that the second wave is more dangerous than the first.

I expect it will be more dangerous than the first or maybe it is happening already. There is a possibility that the 2nd wave came already and its just we didn't noticed it. Regarding the infinite loop, as long as there is a working vaccine already that has been approved then there is a chance that the loop will stop but the virus will not disappear anymore for sure.

[Salauddin1994]

I don't think anything can be said until the vaccine is available. If the second COVID-19 wave comes it is going to be much more deadly than the first. The second wave will actually exhaust everything at the rate at which the economy has been damaged in the first place. the second wave is more likely not to come. Russia is in the process of creating the virus and is moving forward. if successful, it will be possible to cure the virus.

[ilovealtcoins]

I think the world economy will continue to be difficult until the end of next year if the disease is not pushed back. Covid 19 vaccine will be a way to stabilize the world. When the economic downturn is caused by a pandemic, people will spend more money, the whole society does not create as much goods as before. The rich continue to be richer and the poor are poorer. The evidence is that stocks in financial markets have risen higher than before. S&P500 has risen higher than before.
I believe that after this economic recession, conflict between classes in society will continue to increase.

[pragna]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

I don't think it will go to infinite loops because already Russia and China government has declared about COVID vaccine. I think at the end of the year we will come across more countries vaccine. So we can hope for as early as possible recover of COVID. So when it come to control of us economy will back its previous stage gradually and already maximum countries economy going back their previous stage slowly. It only possible to infinite loop if another more dangerous pandemic come with another virus at this situation otherwise no tension about it.

thanks.

[NeuroticFish]

Afaik in math you cannot decide a repeating thing is infinite only from 2 "loops".
Iirc from shool (loong ago) you need "reduction to absurdity" for this.

So for now we clearly cannot tell it'll be or not an infinite loop. I hope that a good number of humans are capable to learn. The others .. we can pray they're strong and lucky.
Also the science tries to help. Although I think that the current century's medicine is not worthy of its name (I find it closer to statistics than what medicine should be), they do try to do something - a vaccine, a cure, or at least some hope.

All in all, although it'll take much longer than the official voices want us to believe, it will surely not be infinite loop (actually humanity wouldn't even live that long), instead, sooner or later we'll get to some sort of normality.


An interesting thing is that the statistics tell that because of COVID lock down, this year there were less deaths in my country than last year.
It worth mentioning that we use(d) to be pretty much champions at deaths by road accidents.

[lumeire]

I don't think anything can be said until the vaccine is available. If the second COVID-19 wave comes it is going to be much more deadly than the first. The second wave will actually exhaust everything at the rate at which the economy has been damaged in the first place. the second wave is more likely not to come. Russia is in the process of creating the virus and is moving forward. if successful, it will be possible to cure the virus.

That vaccine would also have to go under trials in every country in which it is introduced. If the vaccine meets the standards of the country then only the health organisations will allow it to be introduced in the country specific vaccination scheme.
A lot of new news articles are on the internet that says the virus is mutating and the new strain found in the infected people is more likely to cause infections in the population than the previous strains found from the samples taken from infected individuals. So, if the second wave comes then it can really make the economy cripple and maybe the much feared recession can be seen alongwith high mortality rates in the population.

[panganib999]

I think the uprising of the waves can still be prevented to come if we will still take notice of exhibiting the strict health protocols even at countries where there are already no covid-19 cases for we still cannot ensure that those who have been recovered from having positive results from covid-19 cannot get infected once again that might trigger for the number of waves to come. By this, we must still be using face masks and bring alcohols for sanitation to keep ourselves from potential spread of virus for I think the best thing we could hope to end the rising of the cases is for the vaccine to be created to end up this pandemic.

Even if we open up the business establishments and make people get back to work, we must still ensure to observe the exhibition of health protocols for we are still not safe outside while the vaccines are still under clinical trials. If we would keep this strict protocols to be observe, we can lessen the probability of the virus to spread once again avoiding the chance of second and so on waves to arise.

[AicecreaME]

It's definitely possible to have a second wave of this pandemic in each and every country until there's a clinically approved vaccine produced. In our country, we're still in the first wave and not really close to ending it because there's a lot of local transmission.

Controlling and preventing covid wave is possible though and depends on how the leaders govern in your place. It's also about how they study the necessary actions before implementing guidelines to the public to avoid spreading the virus. Without a smart and strategical leader, second wave is surely going to happen.

I'd like to commend the strategic ways of New Zealand and Vietnam for containing the covid-19. One thing they have in common is a smart leader eager to limit the spread of the virus in their community. They closed their borders, sacrificed the partial collapse of the tourism industry for the better good. And now, they're back to normal unlike the rest of us. They also conducted aggressive mass testing to almost everyone to make sure there's no local transmission.

But then again, these are just the prevention and will not really guarantee on having no second wave. Right now, economies are collapsing due to closing of companies and increase in unemployment. I just hope they would produce sooner the vaccine that completed all the stages to be distributed all over the world.

[tyz]

I don't think anything can be said until the vaccine is available. If the second COVID-19 wave comes it is going to be much more deadly than the first. The second wave will actually exhaust everything at the rate at which the economy has been damaged in the first place. the second wave is more likely not to come. Russia is in the process of creating the virus and is moving forward. if successful, it will be possible to cure the virus.

The problem is that everyone is waiting for the vaccine. The question is whether it will work as well as hoped. You can see from the annual waves of influenza how quickly the viruses change and the vaccine then no longer works properly, so a slightly new one has to be developed. But what happens if the virus changes in different ways depending on the geographic location, so that a vaccacine working in Europe does not work in China. Also, previous studies have shown that only very few people who had Covid-19 produce anti-bodies for a short time. A vaccination stop strategy is dependent on the long-term formation of anti-bodies, otherwise it will have no effect.

[YOSHIE]

Indeed, many people say that the second wave of case after case each country is infected with the positive virus is increasing, in this case so that it can be said that the spread of the corona virus ends must be controlled against the decline in this case.

If on deeper examination it is currently triggering a second wave, it has the most frightening disruption to devastated economies in various parts of the world, with the common reasons being: Traffic is jammed, many children cannot go to school, activities are reduced, for that all this is done to be able to control the spread of the corona virus.

What is clear is that many countries have implemented strategies and actions for the emergence of a second wave of pandemic cases and positive cases, for that at this time no one can confirm what will happen regarding the corona virus in the future.

[Sapphire915]

So sad to hear that. Unfortunately, we can't really see the end of this crisis unless the vaccine is being released. And good to know that Russia is the first country now who is about to release the cure/the vaccine that they said will last for 2 years to human's immunity on covid-19. If this will be released soon, and the mass testing/trials will turn out better, then maybe we can say that the end of chaos is near and I guess the economy will eventually arise. On the other hand, I don't see any signs that the European economy will totally drop, I always believe that the vaccine will be created and released before it collapse, that won't happen though. European countries are known to be rich and they can handle this crisis well, just like the first wave.

[oHnK]

I can't believe the second wave is coming.  In my country, many people don't care so the conditions here are like nothing happened, but the data on victims of being infected with Covid continues to increase.  Sometimes I think that this is not a pandemic but a plandemic.  The media exaggerates bad news related to Covid and causes many people to fear so that their immune system is weak so they are prone to catching diseases.  If only the world could heal and not make things worse with scary news.  it's not that bad that it causes a second wave to be present.

[50 Cent]

pandemic end recession will coming, i think 2021 world will get economic recession and some big country already confirmed.
singapore, germany, japan, etc,
in my contry enforces a new normal. stay safe.

[ShowOff]

I can't believe the second wave is coming.  In my country, many people don't care so the conditions here are like nothing happened, but the data on victims of being infected with Covid continues to increase.  Sometimes I think that this is not a pandemic but a plandemic.  The media exaggerates bad news related to Covid and causes many people to fear so that their immune system is weak so they are prone to catching diseases.  If only the world could heal and not make things worse with scary news.  it's not that bad that it causes a second wave to be present.

Many people also say the same thing as you say, but believe this virus is there and can infect you at any time without your knowing it. Viruse are a threat to everyone even though sometimes the media make thing worse with scary news.

Many people in my area even believe that Covid-19 is a fabricated disease state because some case of data discovery have been manipulated. It is disgusting because there are people who want to enrich themselve in this situation. You may not believe the Covid-19 that is reported by the media, but rest assured this virus is very dangerous and is a real threat to everyone.

[gentlemand]

Seems pretty minor for a second wave. It's more of a bubbling under. Let's see what winter brings when more people are huddled indoors. I can't see any country doing another full lockdown no matter what but equally I've no idea how they'd tackle it if it started raging again.

Maybe while they're dithering that much vaunted herd immunity may arrive.

[Yatsan]

Each and every country will surely deny that they would be facing the second wave for the government will surely be the one to be blamed for the sprouting of another wave because it will mean that the plans they have implemented to help prevent the spread of virus seems to be inefficient and ineffective for another wave to come out. It would be a failure on their part and it would be hard to admit that after dealing with the first wave of covid-19 cases is they would now be entering a second wave which will somehow show the type of governance they have done on facing this pandemic.

Such thing could be possible to happen if the government and its people will not jive into a clear coordination because it will make no sense if those two are not making their best to resolve this crisis that will trigger the second wave of pandemic to arise. I think for this scenario to be prevented, there must be still a strong implementation of health protocols that must be improving as time passes by while we are still waiting for the vaccine to be ready for distribution that will end this pandemic. We must not just keep on waiting and doing nothing because the worst thing might happen if we will just wait and will not observe to exhibit strict health protocols to prevent the spread of virus.

[gentlemand]

Each and every country will surely deny that they would be facing the second wave for the government will surely be the one to be blamed for the sprouting of another wave because it will mean that the plans they have implemented to help prevent the spread of virus seems to be inefficient and ineffective for another wave to come out. It would be a failure on their part and it would be hard to admit that after dealing with the first wave of covid-19 cases is they would now be entering a second wave which will somehow show the type of governance they have done on facing this pandemic.

I don't think they'd have a problem admitting it, they'd certainly have a problem knowing what to do about it. If only one country had a second wave that would be different but they all will if another happens.

Not sure about other countries, but the UK response has been gradually splintering and doubling back on itself and it's reached the point where people have been so saturated with doublespeak and rule changes they'll switch to their own common sense, or lack thereof, no matter what they're officially advised.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Will heal or kill, time will tell. There will always be a choice. I, after my friends had been ill, would not want to feel this on myself. I'm not sure about my immunity, so I don't trust the calls not to do this vaccine. Rather, on the contrary, I look forward to its widespread implementation, so that the whole nightmare that is happening in 2020 ends as soon as possible.

[MCobian]

Many countries deny the second COVID-19 wave coming, but data circulating on social media and the internet shows something else.
There is an increase in the number of infected after several countries decided to lifted quarantine and lockdowns, from here to start
the cause of the second COVID-19 wave coming. Because it opened the quarantine too quickly, there should be absolutely 0% no new
cases infected happen. Quarantine and lockdown can be lifted. However, the government was pressed for economic problems, so forced
the opening of quarantine. Regarding Russia planning to launch the COVID-19 vaccine, hasn't proven its success so don't get your hopes up.

[chip1994]

this was expected by economists, although cases are still increasing, businesses are operating normally. just the luxury goods are not in demand as much as before, the tourism industry is also badly affected, but in addition, other industries are still very good.
The great thing is that Russia developed the Vaccine and they could save the whole world economy. we should be optimistic for the future economic situation, financial markets are still very bustling.

[el kaka22]

Anyone really thinks this vaccine thing that has been talked about so much will be basically fixing all this trouble? I am not really wise about medical related stuff and I do not want to talk about stuff I am not familiar with but it looks like vaccine is not really 100% solution neither, we have vaccine for common flu yet we still get it all the time, which means maybe people would still get the covid virus even with the vaccine? At which case what does the vaccine work for in that case?

I really do not know if the second wave will be worse or better but I feel like only certain nations will have it, we will not have it as a whole world. Some like USA that failed to respond to it properly could have a second wave, honestly the first wave is not even over, but places that provides zero deaths right now might not have anything.

[slapper]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Vaccines are being produced at the moment and many companies have claimed that they can seal the virus with their medicines. I believe in these medical companies. We have been fought against many different diseases and most of the time, we gain victory. Therefore, I dont think that there will be a second Covid-19 wave. People are working together to stop the virus once and for all. Governments are putting their efforts and money on researches and scientists in laboratories seem to work day and night to serve the people.

Moreover, our economy is recovering sharply. There is no sign that it will be prevented by any force, including this Covid-19. Just look at gold. It has increased significantly since the early of 2020.

[Mauser]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Unfortunately the second wave will likely be followed by a thrid wave. With vaccines still not available for the most people we will see corona around next year.

WHO is now stating that the pandemic could be over within two years similar to the last big pandemic the Spanish flu of 1918 which took around two years to overcome. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53870798

[thesmallgod]

New Zealand too is already suffering from the covid19 second wave with the continuous increase in the number of confirmed cases while Malaysia, a few days ago discovers a deadlier strain of the virus https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/malaysian-scientists-discover-ten-times-deadlier-coronavirus-strain-making-it-more-infectious-heres-what-it-means/photostory/77586987.cms while we are all waiting for the success from the vaccines being developed in countries such as India, Russia, and co, it is still very much important people are keeping save and avoid crowded places.

[yulchatar]

Yes, indeed, I heard opinions that a second wave of the epidemic is expected in September, but for some countries it came earlier. The number of cases is growing rapidly, perhaps because people have already relaxed a little and have ceased to take care of themselves, as before. Many countries were quick to relax measures quarantine. While this can also be understood, the pandemic has hit all industries, and small and medium-sized businesses have had the hardest time. Therefore, everyone hastened to resume work, but as it turned out, it was still very early.

[beerlover]

Well, just like everyone said it can't have an infinite loop because at one point having covid wouldn't mean too much, you would have covid like you would have the flu, it is all quite easy to understand yet very hard to predict how to fix it and make it all go away. Think about it, even the common flu which we can recover from very easily even if it takes a week of us with red nose and so forth it is still easy to cure it and get back to health.

So, I would say it is quite important to realize we are going to live with covid forever from now on, but it just won't be as big of a deal as it is right now, all humanity will have it once or twice in their life first, if we get the vaccine to the whole world it will be recovered a lot easier and eventually it would be just like common cold and not be important.

[tyz]

Afaik in math you cannot decide a repeating thing is infinite only from 2 "loops".
Iirc from shool (loong ago) you need "reduction to absurdity" for this.

You got that right. The question was also whether we will get an infinite loop (not that we are already in an infinite loop), which is similar to the annual flu. The flu comes every year to cold season in a slightly different variant, so that every year the vaccination pot has to be adjusted. The same could happen with Covid-19, so that the virus becomes part of our permanent life. Or will it be (largely) eradicated at some point, like the plague.

[Sanitough]

Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

That depends on how they would handle the situation, covid-19 will just stick around as long as we are not immune with this through a vaccine, so we shold expert more infections if we are not responsible in facing this big threat to our lives. Actually our president even told that the 2nd wave will make our country suffer more as we have already spent all the budget in the current crisis, so I'm just hoping that soon the vaccine will be release.

[Vishnu.Reang]

WHO  estimates that it will be two years before effective and harmless vaccine comes into reality and this is the most favorable forecast. I don't trust the government which turns a blind eye to killing people at airports...period.

To be honest, I don't trust the WHO anymore. They are comprised of a bunch of incompetent people. If they had warned initially that human-to-human transmission was possible for COVID 19, then the other countries would have closed their borders to the Chinese travelers and the pandemic would have remained confined to China. It was because of the incompetence of these people that we lost almost a million lives.

[shoreno]

I don't think there will be a second or third wave.

right, totally agree that it is unthinkable that there will be a second wave pandemic and so on.

but the op said the second wave already happened on europe  while the rest of the countries are still on the first wave  .

 we cant say that this is an infinite loop yet but is there such thing as infinite loop when it comes to pandemic ? never witness any , only first and second wave as far as i remember .  that would take a long time if the virus leaks on its second wave and experts already come up with a solution between those time  .

[Vishnu.Reang]

That is too long to get an effective vaccine, and I can not imagine how many people will suffer and die again, especially in this new normal, which many people can not be careful in the public area. We can only wait until the government can release the vaccine. Meanwhile, we need to take care of ourselves from anything, so at least we can still be healthy and don't infect.

I agree. In two years time, almost everyone in this world may get infected from the virus and 99.9% may naturally acquire antibodies against it (the remaining 0.1% may lose their lives). So what is the point in going for the vaccination after two years, when everyone will be having the antibodies in their body? A vaccine is needed now, not two years later.

[NeuroticFish]

The question was also whether we will get an infinite loop (not that we are already in an infinite loop), which is similar to the annual flu. The flu comes every year to cold season in a slightly different variant, so that every year the vaccination pot has to be adjusted. The same could happen with Covid-19, so that the virus becomes part of our permanent life. Or will it be (largely) eradicated at some point, like the plague.

OK. I don't see flu as something in loops. It's here and when the weather conditions help, it becomes stronger.
Indeed, sars-cov-2 has a chance to become like flu, but how big that chance is .. that's hard to assess now, this is something to be discussed after the vaccination will start. And then we'll see how effective the vaccines are, how big will be the part of population that'll take the vaccine and what happens in the following "season" after vaccination. If that'll be ineffective in a year, then probably we'll have the same story as with flu.

[teosanru]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

This was bound to happen. Technically nothing can contain COVID in this rapid advanced environment where it takes minutes to travel from one place to another. Our only hope is a reliable vaccine or else we will see number of waves coming after one another until herd immunity kicks in. Technically compared to another companies Covid didn't affect that much people but it inflicted huge number of deaths so you might see hell lot of cases in Europe in upcoming days.

[mirakal]

We are more ready now even if the 2nd wave will come, in fact it has already come to other countries so it's not new.
The fear is already gone, people have already learn how to manage themselves to still continue to live and make a living despite of the virus.

Therefore, we should not worry, if this word is bound to end there we have to accept as there's nothing we can do but let's face the current situation, we can win on this battle, our economy is not dead yet, it just struggle because it's movement is pretty much limited.

[Vishnu.Reang]

We are more ready now even if the 2nd wave will come, in fact it has already come to other countries so it's not new.
The fear is already gone, people have already learn how to manage themselves to still continue to live and make a living despite of the virus.

Therefore, we should not worry, if this word is bound to end there we have to accept as there's nothing we can do but let's face the current situation, we can win on this battle, our economy is not dead yet, it just struggle because it's movement is pretty much limited.

Well.. this is even more dangerous IMO. If the fear is gone from the minds of the people, then they will be under a false impression of safety. They will engage in non-essential travel and disregard social distancing and other preventive measures. In the end, we will be having a second wave, which is going to be much more deadly when compared to the first wave.

This has happened in human history once, during the 1918-20 Spanish Flu pandemic. Back then, the second wave was much more deadlier when compared to the first wave.

[nasipadang]

A significant increase in the number of infections requires these countries to close their economic stripes, so surely they will experience a decline in economic value. If the economy is forced to continue running, the infection will continue to increase and can cause big problems in the future, so as long as the problem is still small and not yet big then it is better to solve it immediately. Like it or not it has to happen, plus there are many conspiracy theories that make me even more confused about whether this is really a virus or just a government plan. Continue regarding the vaccine for covid-19 not yet 100% viable and in a forced development pace.

[Bezobraznike]

I agree. In two years time, almost everyone in this world may get infected from the virus and 99.9% may naturally acquire antibodies against it (the remaining 0.1% may lose their lives). So what is the point in going for the vaccination after two years, when everyone will be having the antibodies in their body? A vaccine is needed now, not two years later.

Yeah. Our bodies will create new immunes to against the virus, and I think the process already starts from this new normal. Although we don't know who the person who has that antibody, sooner or later is, people will see that in the end, they might don't need that vaccine because their body can produce the immune to against the virus. I think the virus, in the end, will almost the same as cough and fever.

   2 years is a log period, and not just that, I doubt that all infected people can survive
Covid-19 virus. If you calculate current death rate and consider that in this world lives
over 7 billion people, that would be many deaths.
   Now we have to trust in people that have a job to produce the vaccine. That will happen faster than to infect the whole world and wait people to become immune.

[justdimin]

The great part right now which is sad that it happened but thankfully it happened is the fact that doctors learned how to cure it, they are not all powerful and just click their fingers and cure you, but at least they know the method, they know that how a person could get better, will they get better or not the same way is unknown but the method is there. That is a huge deal because thanks to that we are talking about people recovering a lot faster and leaving a lot more places for the sick people, hospitals do not get clogged like our bitcoin blockchain does .

So, even if second wave comes the whole world is a lot more prepared for it, the first wave was a shock, nobody expected something this huge, so they weren't really ready for such a drastic change in life, now that we know we are ready for it.

[Vishnu.Reang]

2 years is a log period, and not just that, I doubt that all infected people can survive
Covid-19 virus. If you calculate current death rate and consider that in this world lives
over 7 billion people, that would be many deaths.
   Now we have to trust in people that have a job to produce the vaccine. That will happen faster than to infect the whole world and wait people to become immune.

The death rate from COVID 19 is not yet accurately calculated. The reason is that in almost all the countries, the great majority of the asymptomatic cases are not added to the total. Therefore an over-estimation of the fatality from this pandemic will be there. And this is one of the reasons why there is so much variation in death rate from country to country. For example, the mortality rate from COVID 19 is 4% in countries such as the United States and Brazil, while it is less than 0.2% in countries such as Qatar and Iceland.

[Romanianz]

only in my assumption,
human immunity will defeat this virus, have you ever know Herd Immunity?
yes, it's only human immunity that can defeat the virus at the moment.
the vaccine will be available in the next 5 month or a year after the virus spread,
so stay safe and keep healthy, eat vitamin if necessary

[wiss19]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Was having a discussion of this Coronavirus with some people and someone said that the Coronavirus will turn out to be something normal and by then there will be a vaccine or something that will be used to control it just like vaccine is being used to control other kinds of sickness.

I do not know about that, but I really wish that there would be a way to end this Coronavirus once and for all. I don’t want it to continue to exist, I want it to end for good because it’s a serious threat . For long now I have not looked at the chart to know the number of cases in my country, I am no longer talking about it, because I hate to.

[Ozero]

The world's economy is already on its knees during the first wave. It hasn't recovered yet since then, although it is already on its way, albeit slowly. A second wave would certainly stunt any progress of recovery.

This is going to be very bad for every country's economy. Unemployment and poverty rate would certainly continue to increase along with the increase of infected individuals. The ripple effect of this pandemic would extend up to a country's education, human rights, productivity, psychological health, and so on and so forth. 

All of this will only stop upon the release of effective vaccines or medications.

It seems to me that the hype around the coronavirus is raised and artificially whipped up. Someone benefits from unprecedented measures to combat the coronavirus to dramatically lower the level of economies of most countries and lead to poverty for a significant number of the world's population. It is no coincidence that some states are now refusing to impose tough restrictions again, despite the announcement of the second wave of this coronavirus.
It seems that it is not the coronavirus itself that is terrible, but the fight against it.

[Kasabus]

The much discussed second wave is here! While many countries e.g. Brazil and USA are still suffering from the first wave, the second wave has already arrived in Europe, after it looked like the crisis was under control for some weeks.
Everywhere in Europa are strongly increasing numbers of infections like in Spain, France, Germany or Croatia. Many areas are once again being declared risk areas. Will this be the last wave and if not, will it bring the economy to its knees with unforeseeable consequences to the world?

Was having a discussion of this Coronavirus with some people and someone said that the Coronavirus will turn out to be something normal and by then there will be a vaccine or something that will be used to control it just like vaccine is being used to control other kinds of sickness.

I do not know about that, but I really wish that there would be a way to end this Coronavirus once and for all. I don’t want it to continue to exist, I want it to end for good because it’s a serious threat . For long now I have not looked at the chart to know the number of cases in my country, I am no longer talking about it, because I hate to.

If there is really a second wave for this pandemic, then i think people are now more prepared to combat it but still it will surely take few months to end since the vaccine even in the first wave is not yet totally well developed. Stores and even big companies will be temporarily close again losing their big funds just to protect people working on them.

[dondonk]

Until a vaccine from Covid 19 is found, I think there will continue to be waves of infection from this virus. with activities that must continue, all we can do now is minimize the possibility of a big wave. use a mask, wash your hands and keep your distance from other people. economically, of course it has an impact because the activities are completely limited, causing economic consequences.