Premier League Prediction Thread 2024/2025

[rahmad2nd]

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I tend to agree with the idea of ​​firing Ten Hag because he basically seems incapable of bringing more glory to the team. Manchester United can consider a manager from Spain so we can expect a new color from his game. Adding several Spanish players to the team allows Manchester United to play more variedly than at present, even today Manchester United does not have a single Spanish player.

Xavi Hernandez, Unai Emery, Ernesto Valverde and Julen Lopetegui could all be in contention to get a chance. They are experienced coaches and certainly have good abilities to develop the team. Spanish managers in the Premier League tend to have good hopes of winning the title through the teams they build and the closest examples are Arteta and Pep Guardiola. Xabi Alonso might also be good, but is likely to have hopes at Liverpool.

I think many agree with the plan to fire ten hag because the fact is as you have explained there is no improvement in the manchester united camp, most fans have long wanted ten hag out but until now the management continues to provide opportunities and who knows what is in their contract, so ten hag remains calm with the issue of his dismissal.
If I were a fan I would not mind if the man united board of directors chose a candidate for coach from any country including spain and if that is realized we will see the red devils style of play with ball possession and beautiful passes because we know most of their coaching style is like that.
I would choose xavi hernandez on the top list of thomas tuchel second choice he should not be sidelined.

News has spread that Sir Jim Ratcliffe has reportedly prepared a replacement for Erik Ten Hag, rumor has it that Ten Hag wants Thomas Tuchel as the new boss of The Red Devil. The Manchester Evening News reports that Sir Jim Ratcliffe has pocketed the manager he wants to replace Ten Hag, the coach he wants is a German coach. another rumor, the Red Devils' top brass had held an executive meeting some time ago which was believed to be to discuss Erik Ten Hag's future, but since the meeting ended until now there has been no official news about the decision taken by MU's top brass regarding Ten Hag's career continuation. well, it turns out that Manchester United's top brass have held a meeting, but so far there has been no effort made by management. whoever the MU manager is later, whether it's from Spain, or from Germany, or even a coach from England, if United's players remain inconsistent, disciplined, and do not try to perform at their best, maybe the results will not change significantly. maybe that's why the club did not immediately replace Erik Ten Hag.

[junder]

I think Liverpool, Arsenal and City have the same chance to win the premier league trophy. City has a great chance. On the other hand, Arsenal will definitely be motivated to win the league trophy this season after failing in the previous two seasons. Liverpool changed their coach but it turned out that the transition was successful and now they also have the chance to win the title. I think we can't decide yet which one has a greater chance. We need to wait for a few games or until the middle of the season to see their performance.

Apart from the three teams, I have even considered Chelsea and Aston Villa as teams that can disrupt the performance of Liverpool, Arsenal, and City this season. Because Chelsea and Aston Villa are also not far behind the three teams you mentioned, so big teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, and City still have to be more careful with Chelsea and Aston Villa because they can also make surprises with unexpected results in quite important matches this season. Although the three teams you mentioned will try to perform more consistently this season.

I agree with you, Chelsea who this season has been better under their new coach and Aston Villa who was able to maintain their good performance last season. Both teams this season could be a stumbling block for strong teams. I hope their consistent performance can be maintained considering the league has only been running for 7 weeks, the journey is still long.
Well, in the 8th week, Chelsea will visit Liverpool's headquarters, the threat of the Maresca squad will begin to be felt against the strong candidates at Anfield. Will Liverpool be able to maintain their top position or will Chelsea provide a surprise. we'll see next week.

[hahay]

Maybe I think the awards are for Erik Ten Hag and Marcus Rashford. Lol just kidding

Okay  That was too intense. But that's the truth of the house, Erik Ten Hag, and Marcus Rashford can never relate to this. Till the season is completely over.

That by the way a big congratulations to Enzo Maresca and Cole Palmer. They deserve the award because of their improvement this season. Chelsea is now a worthy opponent to withhold Liverpool, Manchester City, and Arsenal from winning the league this season.

If they continue with this performance, i can tag them among the teams competing for the title race.

At least, although at first Chelsea's decision was always seen as bad because they changed coaches too often, but in the end Chelsea managed to get the right coach and that was an impressive result too. So yes, it's no surprise that Enzo Maresca and Palmer got the best coach and player awards because they deserve it, even though Chelsea are not at the top of the table but they have shown good improvement this season.

Unlike Manchester United who always get complaints about Erik ten Hag, but Manchester United still keep him until Manchester United's position is also close to the relegation zone, but still keep him. In fact, teams in Serie A such as AS Roma also dared to fire De Rossi, who is basically a legendary AS Roma player, but AS Roma did not hesitate to fire him because of the big decline he experienced this season. Supposedly, Manchester United also has a bold choice but indeed, a bold choice accompanied by great responsibility as well because the goal is good to improve the quality and performance of the team as a whole.

[Jody.Drummer]

A well deserved award where Enzo (Manager of the Month) and Palmer (Player of the Month).
A very happy season for the Blues amidst the doubts of many because of the player buying policy. Now they are showing positive changes and can compete again with the top teams Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Aston Villa. I hope the Blues can maintain their consistency.

Congratulations to Maresca and Palmer.

Aston villa is now a top team that is surprising as I didn't expect Aston villa to replace Manchester United as the top team. The honours for the Chelsea players are well deserved and same for Onana. He has been great this season despite how awful Manchester United has been. Chelsea are looking dangerous this season and Cole Palmer has just began from where he stopped last season. It looks like he added more styles to his play too as he has become more entertaining to watch. 3 wins from 4 games for Chelsea manager Enzo is excellent as you consider, this is just his first season and he's a new manager to this level of coaching as he was only an assist here before.

Chelsea are much better this season, and I actually didn't expect them to show something better so quickly. One of the reasons why I can say that is because they are also with a new coach which means he has to adjust and see how Chelsea's condition is when he first joined. But for now he seems fine and even that is a fast time to give a better game. But don't rush to say that they are very good now, because consistency also needs to be questioned. There are still many matches to be played and it is a challenge for them to be able to maintain consistency so that they can be in an important position at the end of the standings later.

[asriloni]

A well deserved award where Enzo (Manager of the Month) and Palmer (Player of the Month). Maybe I think the awards are for Erik Ten Hag and Marcus Rashford. Lol just kidding
A very happy season for the Blues amidst the doubts of many because of the player buying policy. Now they are showing positive changes and can compete again with the top teams Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Aston Villa. I hope the Blues can maintain their consistency.

Congratulations to Maresca and Palmer.

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Expected, Palmer and Maresca deserved it. They're showing brilliant performances as a manager and player.

Maresca has transformed Chelsea with his brilliant tactics. Though, i saw many of his doubters. But he shut up all of his doubters by excellently bringing Chelsea to the top 4. Yet, we have not entered the mid-season, but his team was doing very brilliant things this month.

And about Palmer, he's Maresca's favorite player. He played brilliantly in his non-actual position. But, it's unbelievable how creative he was with his passing. He always has a new idea that helps his teammates. He's the only player to score a quat trick in under 30 minutes of the first half.

Hopefully, they will able to keep perform at the same rate till late season. hats-off for them.

[skarais]

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I agree with you, Chelsea who this season has been better under their new coach and Aston Villa who was able to maintain their good performance last season. Both teams this season could be a stumbling block for strong teams. I hope their consistent performance can be maintained considering the league has only been running for 7 weeks, the journey is still long.
Well, in the 8th week, Chelsea will visit Liverpool's headquarters, the threat of the Maresca squad will begin to be felt against the strong candidates at Anfield. Will Liverpool be able to maintain their top position or will Chelsea provide a surprise. we'll see next week.

Both teams were coached by new coaches this season and both teams performed quite well in my opinion. Liverpool will try to maintain the top position from Manchester City's pressure from below, while Chelsea will push to get to the top of the rankings. Maintaining performance in tough matches is always difficult, so Liverpool and Chelsea's meeting will be very exciting to look forward to.

If the two teams draw, then Arsenal and Manchester City will gain an advantage. Of course, only if Arsenal and Manchester City both win their matches against Bournemouth and Wolves. Both teams are favorites to win, but it is difficult to determine who is the winner between Chelsea and Liverpool.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Both teams were coached by new coaches this season and both teams performed quite well in my opinion. Liverpool will try to maintain the top position from Manchester City's pressure from below, while Chelsea will push to get to the top of the rankings. Maintaining performance in tough matches is always difficult, so Liverpool and Chelsea's meeting will be very exciting to look forward to.

If the two teams draw, then Arsenal and Manchester City will gain an advantage. Of course, only if Arsenal and Manchester City both win their matches against Bournemouth and Wolves. Both teams are favorites to win, but it is difficult to determine who is the winner between Chelsea and Liverpool.

Chelsea have lots of talented players but Liverpool are a better team. I expect Liverpool to beat Chelsea, especially with the Anfield factor.

Chelsea are missing Cucarella and Fofana who are both suspended which means two of their first choice back four are unavailable. Liverpool are missing Alisson with a hamstring issue.

[Stable090]

In fact, no one expected that Liverpool would still be able to maintain their quality this season with the new coach who replaced Klopp. I personally also had doubts about slots. Moreover, Liverpool did not make much preparation in the transfer market.

Am also surprised with Liverpool performance also, I was expecting Liverpool performance to drop when the season starts, then with time there will be improvement in there performance when the coach already understands the team, but the case is just different, Liverpool performance have been good since the season start, they only lose one match which was against Nottingham forest, and we know them to be dangerous club, when playing against strong teams, and Liverpool have been able to win the remaining matches they have played. I was expecting slot to make some transfers when he joined the club, but to my greatest surprise he maintained the players klopp left, and didn’t do anything serious when the transfer window was open, and his performance is still good.

Apart from Liverpool, I was also impressed with Chelsea's performance with their new coach.

Enzo has really changed Chelsea mentality, their pattern of play is just different from last season, and they are currently performing so well this season. I just hope they will be able to continue with their good performance. Everyone is now kind of scared of Chelsea because they are now a dangerous club. Chelsea's aim this season is to qualify for the Champions League, and I am sure they will want to do everything to achieve that.

[Obari]

Chelsea have lots of talented players but Liverpool are a better team. I expect Liverpool to beat Chelsea, especially with the Anfield factor.

Chelsea are missing Cucarella and Fofana who are both suspended which means two of their first choice back four are unavailable. Liverpool are missing Alisson with a hamstring issue.

Arne Slot is definitely meeting this real test as manager for the club and also seen to be the best replacement for Jurgen Klopp. Arne Slot have his own pattern of game and it's definitely quite different from other coaches. You do think he will do well in Liverpool? Ofcourse he would because the signs are already there and zero difficulties when it comes to winning matches, he deliver the club.

Liverpool will hosts Chelsea at Anfield after the international break, we have more to expects in this game. What are our expectations in this particular game? I'm going with the odds for both team to record GG because it's very important and necessities for bothsides. Chelsea manager, Enzo Maresca likes fast game and we know exactly what he usually triggered in big games. Complaining about the unavailable players due to sustaining injuries, it's quite important for the main players to be present, if not then the coach triggered alternatives.

[Jegileman]

I agree with you, Chelsea who this season has been better under their new coach and Aston Villa who was able to maintain their good performance last season. Both teams this season could be a stumbling block for strong teams. I hope their consistent performance can be maintained considering the league has only been running for 7 weeks, the journey is still long.

It is very early to come to a conclusion that both teams will be doing very well in the league games and will make it to the top four of the table by end of the season. They have just proven to be somehow worthy of the game they’re playing now and can be pictured for the short time result. As it’s going, all they need is consistency and that consistency is what many teams fail to have and fall in short of performance along the line.

Well, in the 8th week, Chelsea will visit Liverpool's headquarters, the threat of the Maresca squad will begin to be felt against the strong candidates at Anfield. Will Liverpool be able to maintain their top position or will Chelsea provide a surprise. we'll see next week.

The Liverpool vs Chelsea match will be a very tough match and both teams will be very serious in that match in order to take the lead. They have both shown great performance so far in the league and each of them can be seen to be outstanding even without minding the positions they are on the table. Chelsea will do well in that match due to their current form and will make it not easy for Liverpool to win the match.

[Raflesia]

Well, in the 8th week, Chelsea will visit Liverpool's headquarters, the threat of the Maresca squad will begin to be felt against the strong candidates at Anfield. Will Liverpool be able to maintain their top position or will Chelsea provide a surprise. we'll see next week.

Although this is a match full of prestige because of the big clubs that will compete, in the end this can be said to be a new situation for both of them, especially seeing the composition of Chelsea players and coaches at the 2 clubs, of course they still don't have more reference in taking the scheme in this match.

It's just that regardless of what will be done in 90 minutes, this match will definitely be very interesting, currently Liverpool and Chelsea are in good shape and it cannot be denied that Chelsea's different performance with Maresca as the steering wheel provides a different situation in the match later.
Liverpool are still the favorites it seems because they play home at Anfield so they will definitely be favorites in this match, it's just that I think it won't be easy and the chance of a draw is actually very wide open in the match in week 8.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Many thought Arne Slot first season would be a season where Liverpool will struggle but he prove them wrong, we do have managers that come to the EPL and their first performance won't go as planned but this man knew what he is coming to face, knowing how difficult the EPL is he had to make a new plan and equally learn from his predecessor. The fans wasn't expecting Liverpool to be this aggressive at this early stage of the campaign with what Arsenal and Man City have done over the years, fighting to win the title and it still ends with City winning the league, the fans of Liverpool thought things would remain that way with Arsenal or Man City topping the league. I think is time for a new change, hope Slot won't slack behind when it matters the most.

In fact, no one expected that Liverpool would still be able to maintain their quality this season with the new coach who replaced Klopp. I personally also had doubts about slots. Moreover, Liverpool did not make much preparation in the transfer market. But when the season started it turned out that Arne Slot was indeed successful beyond what Liverpool fans expected. He succeeded in bringing this team to a stable condition. Even his consistency at the start of this season deserves appreciation. By being at the top of the standings currently, it has proven that Arne Slot is indeed a coach who can be relied on. And Liverpool seems to have chosen the right coach to replace Klopp.

Apart from Liverpool, I was also impressed with Chelsea's performance with their new coach. I had doubts about this club with all its drama in the transfer market which continues to buy lots of young players. But now the results are actually enough to make me speechless. Well I'm amazed by the Chelsea we see at the moment. Especially with their current coach, Enzo, who seems to really be able to manage the squad well.

My fear for Liverpool is injury because ones this happens you see the best teams start having difficulties in performance which I don't think they can withstand, Slot trying because is not every coaches in the EPL that can make use of the players that was left behind by the former coach. Slot doesn't say much and his actions with his boys says more on the field of play unlike some who say much but underperform.
About Chelsea they have a way of acting up, the coach Enzo is doing well with the team but to me I never expected that the Blues will be at the top 4, what a way of changing how they manage each game and if they continue like this they might even finish either 3rd or second, is not certain but it can happen, just saying though.

[khiholangkang]

Both teams were coached by new coaches this season and both teams performed quite well in my opinion. Liverpool will try to maintain the top position from Manchester City's pressure from below, while Chelsea will push to get to the top of the rankings. Maintaining performance in tough matches is always difficult, so Liverpool and Chelsea's meeting will be very exciting to look forward to.

If the two teams draw, then Arsenal and Manchester City will gain an advantage. Of course, only if Arsenal and Manchester City both win their matches against Bournemouth and Wolves. Both teams are favorites to win, but it is difficult to determine who is the winner between Chelsea and Liverpool.

Chelsea have lots of talented players but Liverpool are a better team. I expect Liverpool to beat Chelsea, especially with the Anfield factor.

Chelsea are missing Cucarella and Fofana who are both suspended which means two of their first choice back four are unavailable. Liverpool are missing Alisson with a hamstring issue.

We will all think that Liverpool are more likely to get a win in this match, in terms of problems I think Chelsea are more disadvantaged because the 2 lines of defense that are used as the main defense strategy will experience a setback and that will make the usual strategy in building chelsea must be quite difficult in forming a solid defense, then Liverpool only lost Alisson and there is still Caoimhín Kelleher although not as good as the main keeper but if he Keeper is still quite reliable to guard.

[skarais]

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Chelsea have lots of talented players but Liverpool are a better team. I expect Liverpool to beat Chelsea, especially with the Anfield factor.

Chelsea are missing Cucarella and Fofana who are both suspended which means two of their first choice back four are unavailable. Liverpool are missing Alisson with a hamstring issue.

Even though I'm not a Liverpool fan, I admit you're right.
Liverpool has better quality in the depth of their squad, in fact I like the pattern of play that Liverpool has been playing. One of my favorite players at Liverpool is Trent Alexander-Arnold, I have always liked that right-back's style of play for a long time.

I would say Liverpool are favorites to win the game, even if they lose Alisson. Kelleher is also good to replace the injured Allison, but the most important thing is the performance of all the forward players. Diogo Jota was the only player to score in the last match against Crystal Palace, so I'm definitely curious about Salah, Luis Diaz's performance and also Nunez if all of them are in the main line up.

[Smack That Ace]

Both teams were coached by new coaches this season and both teams performed quite well in my opinion. Liverpool will try to maintain the top position from Manchester City's pressure from below, while Chelsea will push to get to the top of the rankings. Maintaining performance in tough matches is always difficult, so Liverpool and Chelsea's meeting will be very exciting to look forward to.
If the two teams draw, then Arsenal and Manchester City will gain an advantage. Of course, only if Arsenal and Manchester City both win their matches against Bournemouth and Wolves. Both teams are favorites to win, but it is difficult to determine who is the winner between Chelsea and Liverpool.

Chelsea have lots of talented players but Liverpool are a better team. I expect Liverpool to beat Chelsea, especially with the Anfield factor.
Chelsea are missing Cucarella and Fofana who are both suspended which means two of their first choice back four are unavailable. Liverpool are missing Alisson with a hamstring issue.

We will all think that Liverpool are more likely to get a win in this match, in terms of problems I think Chelsea are more disadvantaged because the 2 lines of defense that are used as the main defense strategy will experience a setback and that will make the usual strategy in building chelsea must be quite difficult in forming a solid defense, then Liverpool only lost Alisson and there is still Caoimhín Kelleher although not as good as the main keeper but if he Keeper is still quite reliable to guard.

Liverpool's chances of winning are really high and Liverpool team should definitely be considered as favorites in this match. Because Liverpool is one of the most worthy contenders for this year's Premier League title. Moreover, the match is Liverpool's home match.

But Chelsea team is playing very well this season. At the moment, the fourth place in the points table is occupied by Chelsea. Chelsea is 4 points behind Liverpool. But in the last few matches we have seen very good performances from Chelsea.

Liverpool's performance in Chelsea vs Liverpool match was very good. Liverpool have won 2 matches and drawn 3 matches in the last 5 matches. Chelsea failed to win a single match. So in the next match too, I would say Chelsea's chances of winning are low.

[bitgolden]

Chelsea who this season has been better under their new coach and Aston Villa who was able to maintain their good performance last season. Both teams this season could be a stumbling block for strong teams. I hope their consistent performance can be maintained considering the league has only been running for 7 weeks, the journey is still long.
Well, in the 8th week, Chelsea will visit Liverpool's headquarters, the threat of the Maresca squad will begin to be felt against the strong candidates at Anfield. Will Liverpool be able to maintain their top position or will Chelsea provide a surprise. we'll see next week.

Being fourth will be the hardest fight we are going to see this season aside from the championship title.

We have Liverpool and city and arsenal all going for the title and I am sure one of them will be the winners and not another team, while also fourth place after them is wide open, which Villa and Chelsea is fighting to get and I am sure they are going to fight as hard as possible to get there.

This is a sad situation in world of football because United can be maximum sixth place for this mathematic to work, and I am not sure they will be even able to do this, they are going to end up with even worse results I am sure, we are going to get troubled results and not going to end up with anything better with time.

I hope they realize their mistake and change the manager and get someone else because premier league is fun with United being good, when they suck there is really nothing to talk about aside from how terrible they are doing, but if they did well, even if not going for title but battle it out with Chelsea and villa, this would be awesome and it would be fun for everyone as well. Check the news and you will see people talk about united failure more than they talk about emery and villa doing good.

[Webetcoins]

Erik Ten Hag either doesn't realize he is about to get fired, or he is aware but he just trying to save face and try to act like he is a great manager and everything else is the problem.

If it's the latter then he is doing a good job because he needs another job when this one is over, and teams would be hiring him if they actually believe the problem is with United and there was nothing ETH can do, but if they realize ETH is the one who sucks then why would they hire him. So, he has to keep acting like players are the problem, injuries are the problem, even management is the problem but he is not the problem and he is perfect and he should not be blamed.

This type of thing doesn't make you liked within the club, and players could literally lose games knowingly, just so you would be fired and they know they won't be fired anyway, so they may lose on purpose just so they can get rid of you. That's what you get when you push them under the boss, this is self defense.

[gabbie2010]

Both teams were coached by new coaches this season and both teams performed quite well in my opinion. Liverpool will try to maintain the top position from Manchester City's pressure from below, while Chelsea will push to get to the top of the rankings. Maintaining performance in tough matches is always difficult, so Liverpool and Chelsea's meeting will be very exciting to look forward to.

If the two teams draw, then Arsenal and Manchester City will gain an advantage. Of course, only if Arsenal and Manchester City both win their matches against Bournemouth and Wolves. Both teams are favorites to win, but it is difficult to determine who is the winner between Chelsea and Liverpool.

Chelsea have lots of talented players but Liverpool are a better team. I expect Liverpool to beat Chelsea, especially with the Anfield factor.

Chelsea are missing Cucarella and Fofana who are both suspended which means two of their first choice back four are unavailable. Liverpool are missing Alisson with a hamstring issue.

Truly the odd favours Liverpool based on the  team experience and formidable squad who had been together for two seasons ago though with a new manager, however playing at Anfield isn't an advantage for Liverpool because Nothingham Forest defeated them at the same Anfield this season, meanwhile Chelsea squad comprises of new set of players though had been performing brilliantly in the league, however it would absolutely difficult for the team beat the more experience Liverpool side at Anfield the result they can opt for is draw at least that result would still put the team in a good position in the league.

[khiholangkang]

Chelsea have lots of talented players but Liverpool are a better team. I expect Liverpool to beat Chelsea, especially with the Anfield factor.
Chelsea are missing Cucarella and Fofana who are both suspended which means two of their first choice back four are unavailable. Liverpool are missing Alisson with a hamstring issue.

We will all think that Liverpool are more likely to get a win in this match, in terms of problems I think Chelsea are more disadvantaged because the 2 lines of defense that are used as the main defense strategy will experience a setback and that will make the usual strategy in building chelsea must be quite difficult in forming a solid defense, then Liverpool only lost Alisson and there is still Caoimhín Kelleher although not as good as the main keeper but if he Keeper is still quite reliable to guard.

Liverpool's chances of winning are really high and Liverpool team should definitely be considered as favorites in this match. Because Liverpool is one of the most worthy contenders for this year's Premier League title. Moreover, the match is Liverpool's home match.

But Chelsea team is playing very well this season. At the moment, the fourth place in the points table is occupied by Chelsea. Chelsea is 4 points behind Liverpool. But in the last few matches we have seen very good performances from Chelsea.

Liverpool's performance in Chelsea vs Liverpool match was very good. Liverpool have won 2 matches and drawn 3 matches in the last 5 matches. Chelsea failed to win a single match. So in the next match too, I would say Chelsea's chances of winning are low.

I also see that indeed chelsea managed to wake up from their slump in the last few matches and I admire them for rising from the slump, this season they seem to be growing faster and crazier to be in the top 5 of the standings, but against Liverpool who are considered much better I think ii will be very heavy for Chelsea, and the possibility of a draw is much greater than winning, we need to see that the victory is bigger on Liverpool, unless Cole Palmer makes a miracle back like in the previous match, and at Anfield land maybe it won't happen.

[Ryu_Ar1]

I think many agree with the plan to fire ten hag because the fact is as you have explained there is no improvement in the manchester united camp, most fans have long wanted ten hag out but until now the management continues to provide opportunities and who knows what is in their contract, so ten hag remains calm with the issue of his dismissal.

Because in the end there is no reason not to agree to this if talking about the quality and performance that Manchester United is doing at this time, in fact, Manchester United should have fired this coach long ago because of his minimal contribution.

It is undeniable that in the end Ten Hag also always gave at least 1 trophy even though it was only a side competition in England but in the end 1 trophy with their performance that did not improve throughout the season was not too worth it but they still tried to force it with the assumption that the process carried out would definitely go well at the end of the season.

This is already Ten Hag's third season at Manchester Untied but in the end nothing has really changed about Manchester United's performance as they remain just as struggling to break into the position they deserve and are only always scattered in the middle of the table.