Flag reference thread: spy100 "betting" and "escrow" service

[DireWolfM14]

May - June ... Lost all my savings at the casinos after lockdown do to fact i entered a depression

lol that is called marketing ...   clickbait

oh brother ...

Well, then you must appreciate this thread as marketing too. You're welcome.

The whole time I was reading this and the other thread I was under the impression it was comedy.  

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What kind of comedy would it be without the village idiot?

[suchmoon]

spy100 is not even a newbie to force him to use an escrow.

Nobody is forcing him to do anything. He made the claims about escrow on his own.

Also, it's pretty clear that spy100 would not run away with 0.01ETH (~4$) and doesn't deserve a risk flag.

He had 10 bets listed so he's looking for 0.1 ETH or more - there isn't really an upper limit to this. But it's great that this is so clear to you. Feel free to send him your money.

I have a feeling you didn't really read or understand this debacle and just posted a couple of pounds of word salad to make it look like you have a reason to oppose the flag. That's fine. Would be shocking if you missed this opportunity to desecrate the corpse of the English language.

[hacker1001101001]

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What kind of comedy would it be without the village idiot?

I guess, you are enjoying too much of an comedy while the whole world is facing pandemic depression. You probably have an childish sense of humour indeed. And thanks for showing you don't care about any abuse and are just here to talk about comedy. **New Clown**

spy100 is not even a newbie to force him to use an escrow.

Nobody is forcing him to do anything. He made the claims about escrow on his own.

You came up with the escrow thing, he didn't said anything about it initially.

Since you're not funding it yourself your service is useless and 10% is way more than any reputable escrow would charge for escrowing a simple P2P bet.

I wanna play. Who's the escrow?

Also, it's pretty clear that spy100 would not run away with 0.01ETH (~4$) and doesn't deserve a risk flag.

He had 10 bets listed so he's looking for 0.1 ETH or more - there isn't really an upper limit to this. But it's great that this is so clear to you. Feel free to send him your money.

One can even bet on a single option and just wager 0.01ETH if he/she wants to, so nobody is forcing anyone to wager on 10 different bets at the same time.

Its just that you got offended with his words and started making an issue out of it by giving red trust and starting a flag. I think this is more clear now.

I have a feeling you didn't really read or understand this debacle and just posted a couple of pounds of word salad to make it look like you have a reason to oppose the flag. That's fine. Would be shocking if you missed this opportunity to desecrate the corpse of the English language.

Wrong as always. I read both the threads before posting here.

[suchmoon]

You came up with the escrow thing, he didn't said anything about it initially.

Wrong as always. I read both the threads before posting here.

Please stop lying, it's too obvious that you didn't read.

i will hold the funds in escrow

Nope i don't trust anyone to escrow, so i will do escrow

These quotes are also in the OP of this thread, which you clearly didn't read before opposing the flag. Not cool.

[dkbit98]

Honestly, I am going to quit bitcointalk forum if suchmoon is now banned.  
Having so much fun reading this topic.
We even have teenage mutant ninja hacker defending every possible cheater in this forum, and now Spy.

I hope suchmoon will be accepted and hired for work after his departure.

On serious note, I do think neutral flag feedback would be a bit more appropriate in this case.
Just my opinion.

[suchmoon]

On serious note, I do think neutral flag feedback would be a bit more appropriate in this case.
Just my opinion.

You already know my opinion but here is some reasoning.

Making false claims about escrow (or pretending to be an escrow, whichever way you want to look at it) - type 1 flag, because it creates a false sense of security for potential customers, and shows intent to deceive.

If there were no claims about escrow then perhaps regular red trust would be appropriate. The perp is quite unstable but seems to have some other business going on so I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Just being a general timelord, attacking people erratically, accusing random users of being alts of each other, threatening with bans, etc - neutral feedback.

You can obviously argue that even the escrow stuff is just spy100 being an idiot and I think it's fine to oppose the flag based on that.

[LoyceV]

But honestly I think he'd just run with whatever he can get.

That's really too bad, because I like the idea of his thread! If he'd use escrow and really wants to do all that work for $0.39 profit per bet, it could be a fun for some on-forum betting.

Nope i don't trust anyone to escrow, so i will do escrow

It looks like spy100 didn't realize it's not about him trusting the escrow, it's about participants trusting the escrow.

I'll tell you what: I'm willing to be a free escrow (let's limit this to the first 10 bets for now for my sanity), if spy100 can do this with Bitcoin.
Update: suchmoon made valid points, so I withdraw this offer.

Making false claims about escrow (or pretending to be an escrow, whichever way you want to look at it) - type 1 flag, because it creates a false sense of security for potential customers, and shows intent to deceive.

My interpretation from spy100's "i will hold the funds in escrow" is that he'll keep the funds for the players by himself. I didn't read the word "escrow" as a person, but as the act of holding the funds. Maybe a less confusing way of saying it would have been "I will hold the funds", without "in escrow".

I don't think spy100's responses and retaliatory feedback help his case. See LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system.

[suchmoon]

That's really too bad, because I like the idea of his thread! If he'd use escrow and really wants to do all that work for $0.39 profit per bet, it could be a fun for some on-forum betting.

Except there isn't really any work to be done. He didn't post any elaborate decision logic that he would follow or anything like that. For example - "Dow will be >= 32000 points" - what is it? High? Close? Total COVID cases - data source, etc?

If two users wanted to make a P2P bet they can just do it, with or without escrow, without a third party taking a 10% (or 5%, the jury is still out on that) cut.

In other words, I think someone like spy100 making the decisions on those bets is a risk even with a reputable escrow, and if spy100 isn't making the decisions (the escrow is) then what exactly is his role.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I made a little research. (apologies for the long quotes but they are relevant to the topic)

If the OP can sign a message from > 15Qr1hYBfRZiU8Uogrk98sMvFrXarYfKt4
Then he can prove that he is the owner of the account (at least from 2015 til now).

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/15Qr1hYBfRZiU8Uogrk98sMvFrXarYfKt4
the transaction:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/975ed10e67f0f293f09f47d65305f6dc11cdd8c7262ca4668c6e63a70fcbc353

Hi i have an account with you guys ,my account username there is : gica200

I deposited today 0.042 btc you can see it here https://blockchain.info/address/18w1NArzRYDTaWA7DY9TVS7L15HhKztq2i

I made a few bets and i reached 0.046 btc but after 100 bets i got the "you reached rookie level bar" ,and money vanished from my account ,and i did not make a big bet , only small bets

Can you guys check to see what went wrong and how can i get the money in my account back ?

And if you look at screenshot 0.02408380 is total wagered ,the 0.02 is from a previous deposit :

https://archive.fo/wip/QcurR

His posting behaviour didn't change much:

today some idiot sent a phishing email to me

check it out:



That link will send you to htt|so you don't click it|p://carpecharta.com/https:blockchain.info this is  not the blockchain site address ,it's just a phishing attempt or some virus to try to steal your wallet...when you get emails like this, never click links like that.

Here are some more similarities between the current owner and the "older one"
The format from the betting service thread looks similar to this one:

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This does not confim he is the orignal owner as any (clever enough) account buyer will mimic the Original Owner style.

[dkbit98]

If the OP can sign a message from > 15Qr1hYBfRZiU8Uogrk98sMvFrXarYfKt4
Then he can prove that he is the owner of the account (at least from 2015 til now).

After all that I saw I doubt he knows how to sign a message from his wallet 
Maybe I am wrong, let's see...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Enjoy trolling on bitcointalk ... while i party with bitches on my big fat salary  

Exactly where are you earning that salary from?  Everything I've read thus far points to you in a straight vector toward the poorhouse.

Also this:

watch out owlcatz,vod and suchmoon is same person

is insane nonsense, and if that represents your grasp on reality then I seriously doubt you're going to be attending any parties in the near future, bitches, fat salary or not.  I think the flag on you is a wee bit harsh, but it doesn't surprise me that you ended up with it.  I don't know if you're truly a scammer or not, but my inclination would be to give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you're attempting to do transactions that your trust level doesn't warrant. 

What's the name of that member who got negged by hilariousandco for trying to escrow $100k?  Mdayonliner?  I can't remember all of these users who didn't think people were noticing that they were doing fishy things.  Anyway, spy100 is another one to add to that list.

[suchmoon]

Totally rational escrow and bookie:

If you see them in your country beat the shit out of them ,spit them in their face and send them back to communist China ...

What if the Chinese person was born in your country?

Then he is a Chinese commie ... needs to be sent back to China . All Chinese should be deported.

I for one will vote in Europe for nationalist parties to purify Europe of Chinese.

[LoyceV]

Totally rational escrow and bookie:

If you see them in your country beat the shit out of them ,spit them in their face

Isn't this against the rules? See:

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm

And if it isn't, shouldn't it be against the rules?
Or is this covered by the fact that rules are up to Moderator's discretion? It doesn't seem right that threatening to beat someone up is not allowed, while calling for someone else to do it is some sort of loophole.

[suchmoon]

Isn't this against the rules?

Probably not. We got bona fide nazis still not banned so I don't think that someone talking about beating up Chinese people would be treated differently.

[stompix]

And if it isn't, shouldn't it be against the rules?
Or is this covered by the fact that rules are up to Moderator's discretion? It doesn't seem right that threatening to beat someone up is not allowed, while calling for someone else to do it is some sort of loophole.

I think that those rules apply only when directed to a user, not to a group of people or country in general, if it were like that a lot of the trash in P&S would be gone by now.
So, I can say something about stuffing klompen down the throat of a certain nation but nothing about turning off the lights of a certain robovac forever 
It would be interesting hearing theymos opinion about this but, I can already see the shitstorm a topic on this would cause, and I'm willing to bet he won't say a word either.

As for spy100, the guy has lost it, probably only one push was needed to go full retard and that came along with his betting business.

[LoyceV]

I think that those rules apply only when directed to a user, not to a group of people or country in general

It also includes individual members of the group, which makes it calling for violence against individuals. I guess it's just a keyboard warrior

[Timelord2067]

Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2264

Flag opposed as no scam appears to have occurred judging by the lack of "evidence" in the OP.

The accused *may* be setting up an unsuspecting punter, but a cautionary negative trust feedback linking to this thread would be sufficient, otherwise we may as well plant flags on every person we don't like's profile because they made dubious claims in the past.

(and I opposed all flags created against the OP for the same reason)

[allahabadi]

Bet > Escrow > Scam? > Flags > Racism

What next.

How this thread has progressed!

[TalkStar]

I think that those rules apply only when directed to a user, not to a group of people or country in general, if it were like that a lot of the trash in P&S would be gone by now.

Giving threat to a specific user or a group of people is likely same in my opinion where actual intention is to harm. Anyway, maybe mods have clear instruction about this rule and they will follow that.    

Bet > Escrow > Scam? > Flags > Racism

What next.

Let me add more contents and make it complete; Bet > Escrow > Scam? > Flags > Racism > Alts > End of drama.

[suchmoon]

spy100 is evading a ban (a tempban I assume since it's not in modlog):

Read this topic : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275462.0 to see how suchmoon is and why that account banned

He is part of the Lauda gang ,they are trying to scam/extort bitcointalk users for money ... they targeted my @spy100 account ...

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