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September 02, 2020, 02:36:43 PM
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Why not just take the whole thing online, i mean internet is accessible to all Americans and 95% of them owns a smartphone, and why don't the restaurants just do takeouts.
We pretty much know in casino's, it tends to be crowded and hectic. Unless this time they have the necessary precautions to properly handle customer then i guess its no problem, considering the stock market is in a dire state.

You can teach dogs old tricks, some old gamblers are not familiar to this online gambling and they want the same surroundings, they missed the atmosphere playing in a physical casinos, because it's not only about playing in casinos they missed, they also want to interact to their co players there, they missed the drinks and of course the crowd the attraction of physical casinos will never fade away.
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September 02, 2020, 02:37:53 PM
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I think most of them will just standby and see if nothing goes wrong to those who rush to play to the Casino as soon as it opens. When they see nothing has happened to those people, then you will see that those who are waiting will also back to their old habits.

The rest of the Casinos and restaurants are still close because they cannot assume their customer's safety since they don't have the necessary things to do so because one wrong move or if something happens with the customers, they will face some trials and probably pay for the damage they have done.

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September 02, 2020, 02:50:30 PM
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Why not just take the whole thing online, i mean internet is accessible to all Americans and 95% of them owns a smartphone, and why don't the restaurants just do takeouts.
We pretty much know in casino's, it tends to be crowded and hectic. Unless this time they have the necessary precautions to properly handle customer then i guess its no problem, considering the stock market is in a dire state.
I think some casino places have started migrating to online platforms because in offline places where their casinos are quiet affected by this virus outbreak, many people prefer to stay at home, while all over the world I believe everyone already has internet access so when they want to gamble it is easier to use the online system.

I don't think that this is going to work. Online gambling is quite different from offline (physical) gambling and the target groups are also very different from each other. On top of that, moving the business to an online platform is not very easy. It takes a great deal of effort and funds. They need to setup the software, online payment gateways.etc.
I remembered Fred trump where he said to his son which is Donald trump to not enter in the gambling industry because only few entrepreneurs and businessman that can dominate the industry, but trump did not listen and continued to make investment in gambling industry and real estate where it leads to him to become one of the billionaires. The recent casino that been opened in the Miami is good, I do not think that it is a bad decision because for sure it backed by a lot of planning and strategies where the management come up to open a casino even though there is still pandemic. Online and traditional casinos are really different but I found out that those traditional casino gamblers are really prefer to go in casinos even though there is still pandemic than to make account in online casinos. I do not know if this new casino in Miami will survive this pandemic because a lot of people are now afraid to have a virus and the competition in that area is also stiff wherein the market is been divided again because of the new casino.
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September 02, 2020, 03:31:05 PM
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I don't blame the government for reopening casinos and restaurants, because the government is doing it for a purpose
economic recovery. But the pandemic is not over, so it is imperative to follow health protocols. If Casinos and restaurants
turned out to be violations are found, then the government has the right to close the casinos and restaurants again. Even
though now it is online gambling is much safer, but it all depends on the individual. Because some people feel more comfortable
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September 02, 2020, 03:45:55 PM
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I don't blame the government for reopening casinos and restaurants, because the government is doing it for a purpose
economic recovery. But the pandemic is not over, so it is imperative to follow health protocols. If Casinos and restaurants
turned out to be violations are found, then the government has the right to close the casinos and restaurants again. Even
though now it is online gambling is much safer, but it all depends on the individual. Because some people feel more comfortable
playing gambling at physical casino.
Yeah, the people also need to work to survive during the pandemic and there are many workers in a casino and restaurant. So I guess the move of opening some of the establishments is also in favor of the people because it's hard to survive in this kind of pandemic where our health care system is not that good.

So I don't blame them because it will also a factor for the economic growth of the country. The only thing they must do is to have a protocol that will prevent cases of the virus.
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September 02, 2020, 03:47:29 PM
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I think most of them will just standby and see if nothing goes wrong to those who rush to play to the Casino as soon as it opens. When they see nothing has happened to those people, then you will see that those who are waiting will also back to their old habits.

The rest of the Casinos and restaurants are still close because they cannot assume their customer's safety since they don't have the necessary things to do so because one wrong move or if something happens with the customers, they will face some trials and probably pay for the damage they have done.

   If they wish to work and earn they will have to follow the rules. If they are not able to do that they will get out of the business,
it's how I see this situation. Now are casinos and restaurants capable for doing that depends on them. I understand casinos have
to work in order employers to receive salaries and people to have fun, but we need to follow the measures for protection against
Covid-19. Let's see what will happen in the next month or two, will there be increase in the number of new cases or people will
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September 02, 2020, 03:55:03 PM
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50% of their operating capacity is way too much, I still think that restaurants should stay closed into the virus infection rate gets under 1 (R value).

The US is an absolute laughing stock over how it handled the pandemic. They've got more cases and higher cases per million than even third-world countries.

They are still recording more daily cases than anywhere else, but think it's time to reopen? Come on man.

I don't think punters will bother going back to the casinos now, the majority have likely switched to online casinos during this lockdown, and wont want to go back to paying extortionate house edges.
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September 02, 2020, 07:22:40 PM
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If the management of the casinos can forced the players to restrain caution then the players can't do anything instead they will just follow the casinos management especially if they really like to play.

If there will no lapses to the management of the casino owners then they can surely minimize the cases that will happen in their area especially if they already learned from their past mistakes that cause a huge surge of covid cases.
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September 07, 2020, 05:35:35 AM
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Basically, Covid-19 is still around us, so no matter how many entertainment venues, businesses and casinos are opened, it will still get a spike from the Covid-19 case itself. All health procedures and protocols have been implemented but still, when there is a crowd that is where the spread of the virus will occur. The opening of places like this is basically to restore the economy, and I just want to remind you to always be vigilant and aware of whatever we do in casino places and any crowded places out there, because this virus is still there and can attack anyone.

Various studies have shown that antibodies for COVID 19 are present in a large portion of the population. It can range from 20% to 80%, depending on the geography. If someone is having the antibody, the chances are that he will not get infected again from the Coronavirus. The governments should do mass testing of the general population and if someone is found to be having the antibody in his body, then he/she should be allowed to excuse himself from the lockdown regulations.
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September 07, 2020, 05:53:35 AM
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I think some casino places have started migrating to online platforms because in offline places where their casinos are quiet affected by this virus outbreak, many people prefer to stay at home, while all over the world I believe everyone already has internet access so when they want to gamble it is easier to use the online system.

And some other casinos remain to run and open their physical casinos. That is because they couldn't wait a little longer for the curve to flatten. And also, the development of a gambling site could take a month to finish as they need to beta test its feature especially to match the platform to their physical casino.

With regards to alternative casinos such as those that are online, I advise that they should use provably fair casinos to ensure fairness and they could verify their bet's outcome.
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September 07, 2020, 07:11:07 AM
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Basically, Covid-19 is still around us, so no matter how many entertainment venues, businesses and casinos are opened, it will still get a spike from the Covid-19 case itself. All health procedures and protocols have been implemented but still, when there is a crowd that is where the spread of the virus will occur. The opening of places like this is basically to restore the economy, and I just want to remind you to always be vigilant and aware of whatever we do in casino places and any crowded places out there, because this virus is still there and can attack anyone.

Various studies have shown that antibodies for COVID 19 are present in a large portion of the population. It can range from 20% to 80%, depending on the geography. If someone is having the antibody, the chances are that he will not get infected again from the Coronavirus. The governments should do mass testing of the general population and if someone is found to be having the antibody in his body, then he/she should be allowed to excuse himself from the lockdown regulations.

@bryant.coleman this is a bad idea because every country’s health care departments are already stressed, and if gamblers rush in to do these kind of tests then they’ll further end up burdening their country’s healthcare departments, which’s is already struggling to cope up with covid patients. Also the part about developing antibodies is true, but lately I’m reading about cases where a covid patient who was completely cured has been infected by covid once again, hence these kinds of test may prove ineffective for the gamblers in the long run.

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2768947

https://fox8.com/news/nevada-man-may-be-first-documented-covid-19-reinfection-case-in-us/

https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/24/first-covid-19-reinfection-documented-in-hong-kong-researchers-say/
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September 07, 2020, 09:28:06 AM
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@Juggy777, I am more in favor of the proposals by Bryant. This pandemic is going to last for many more months and it is not practical to shut down the economy any further. Like what you said, it is true that some of those who infected earlier got the virus for the second time. But such instances are extremely rare, and they occur when the infected person didn't developed the antibodies in his blood stream, when he got infected for the first time.

The longer that the economy is closed the soonest the government will go bankrupt, the only way they can battle losing the economy is to set up restrictions and health protocol that everyone will follow, that way they can save the economy and there will be lower infections, people will not suffer from the virus but they will likely suffer from starvation.

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September 08, 2020, 04:44:07 AM
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The longer that the economy is closed the soonest the government will go bankrupt, the only way they can battle losing the economy is to set up restrictions and health protocol that everyone will follow, that way they can save the economy and there will be lower infections, people will not suffer from the virus but they will likely suffer from starvation.

Agreed. Various seroepidemiological studies have shown that a large portion of the world population already possess antibodies against COVID 19. And example is here:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/percentage-of-people-with-antibodies-high/article32156162.ece
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31483-5/fulltext

This means that the risk from COVID 19 is going down with time, as those with antibodies may not get infected again. In cities such as Delhi and Mumbai, upto 50% of the population was found to have antibodies. So I don't think that it is justified to close the economy anymore.
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September 08, 2020, 06:18:17 AM
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The longer that the economy is closed the soonest the government will go bankrupt, the only way they can battle losing the economy is to set up restrictions and health protocol that everyone will follow, that way they can save the economy and there will be lower infections, people will not suffer from the virus but they will likely suffer from starvation.

Agreed. Various seroepidemiological studies have shown that a large portion of the world population already possess antibodies against COVID 19. And example is here:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/percentage-of-people-with-antibodies-high/article32156162.ece
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31483-5/fulltext

This means that the risk from COVID 19 is going down with time, as those with antibodies may not get infected again. In cities such as Delhi and Mumbai, upto 50% of the population was found to have antibodies. So I don't think that it is justified to close the economy anymore.

I beg to differ the number of cases globally is on the rise and especially in those countries where there is no restriction. I do understand that people need to work otherwise they will dies because of starvation but you also cannot expect people to sincerely follow the protocols.

Untill strict measures are in place in both situation (Lockdown or non lockdown) people will suffer and die.

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September 08, 2020, 08:49:19 AM
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It will be funny when they close casinos and restaurants again! It's like circus, businesses are being closed and opened, new measures, new regulations, first wave, second wave, third wave... yesterday I am reading some "experts" and they are talking about virus and how virus survived summer, when winter comes covid will have sex with seasonal flue, and we will have some doom child that will be more dangerous than anything we saw until now. This world is going crazy from this brainwashing campaign!
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September 08, 2020, 09:33:40 AM
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@Juggy777, I am more in favor of the proposals by Bryant. This pandemic is going to last for many more months and it is not practical to shut down the economy any further. Like what you said, it is true that some of those who infected earlier got the virus for the second time. But such instances are extremely rare, and they occur when the infected person didn't developed the antibodies in his blood stream, when he got infected for the first time.

The longer that the economy is closed the soonest the government will go bankrupt, the only way they can battle losing the economy is to set up restrictions and health protocol that everyone will follow, that way they can save the economy and there will be lower infections, people will not suffer from the virus but they will likely suffer from starvation.

This is the reasons why many countries prepared to open their economy slowly even they know that virus is still there  because the starvation  is much biggest problem compared to people that will die having that virus.

Its time to adopt it and know how to do your job while following government protocols  .

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September 08, 2020, 11:10:10 AM
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In an order passed on Friday Casinos and Restaurants are now allowed to reopen for the third time in Miami Dade, and further they can now serve their patrons up to 50% of their operating capacity.

It’s pertinent to note that this time they have learnt from their past mistakes, and now they’ll be required to run fans in the hvac system when their customers are in the premises, and this is done because covid is know to spread through air conditioners.



They learned their lesson well, if there is a fourth time they will be in trouble because it's seldom that a company was given a chance to re open for a third and it should not be the case, if this happen in our country the company will be facing a stiff penalty and they might not open again, following the health protocols should be the top priority of any companies in this time of pandemic.

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September 08, 2020, 12:58:58 PM
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It's a rare policy, usually authorities gives chance to first offence but you will not be given a chance if you commit the same offense again. But this is different, they are given a chance to operate again in the 3rd time, maybe this is just due to exemption since we are under the pandemic, people needs job, hence the authorities can lightly implement the law to help the economy recover, and save people from getting unemployed.

Maybe they should follow the system of Vegas as they have not reported to commit violation on the safety protocol.
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September 08, 2020, 01:25:37 PM
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In an order passed on Friday Casinos and Restaurants are now allowed to reopen for the third time in Miami Dade, and further they can now serve their patrons up to 50% of their operating capacity.

It’s pertinent to note that this time they have learnt from their past mistakes, and now they’ll be required to run fans in the hvac system when their customers are in the premises, and this is done because covid is know to spread through air conditioners.



They learned their lesson well, if there is a fourth time they will be in trouble because it's seldom that a company was given a chance to re open for a third and it should not be the case, if this happen in our country the company will be facing a stiff penalty and they might not open again, following the health protocols should be the top priority of any companies in this time of pandemic.

Since cafe's and restaurants can run on home delivery business only, they should be limited in their operations for dine in. Only take away should be opened so that there is no risk of gathering and spreading of coronavirus. Restaurants may wait for another couple of month before being opened in full.









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September 08, 2020, 02:58:15 PM
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This is trial and error. They opened their casinos and restaurants with measures that would prevent the spread of the virus and they failed the first time. They corrected their errors and opened those businesses again. The second time around, they still had failures and then they learned lessons and designed certain additional measures. And now this is their third attempt. I wish for them the best. This is obviously a hard time to balance the attempt for economic recovery with keeping the virus at bay.
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