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September 08, 2020, 03:28:40 PM
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@Juggy777, I am more in favor of the proposals by Bryant. This pandemic is going to last for many more months and it is not practical to shut down the economy any further. Like what you said, it is true that some of those who infected earlier got the virus for the second time. But such instances are extremely rare, and they occur when the infected person didn't developed the antibodies in his blood stream, when he got infected for the first time.

The longer that the economy is closed the soonest the government will go bankrupt, the only way they can battle losing the economy is to set up restrictions and health protocol that everyone will follow, that way they can save the economy and there will be lower infections, people will not suffer from the virus but they will likely suffer from starvation.

This is the reasons why many countries prepared to open their economy slowly even they know that virus is still there  because the starvation  is much biggest problem compared to people that will die having that virus.

Its time to adopt it and know how to do your job while following government protocols  .
although many sectors have started to rise again but offline gambling places still have not received permission to operate and in my opinion it will take a very long process to be able to make the economy in a country return to normal because with the virus, many sectors of import and export logistics have collapsed.

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September 08, 2020, 03:34:39 PM
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This is trial and error. They opened their casinos and restaurants with measures that would prevent the spread of the virus and they failed the first time. They corrected their errors and opened those businesses again. The second time around, they still had failures and then they learned lessons and designed certain additional measures. And now this is their third attempt. I wish for them the best. This is obviously a hard time to balance the attempt for economic recovery with keeping the virus at bay.

The first two months of the quarantine is probably the hardest because no guidelines and protocols are in place, and even if there are there's still a possibility of infection because you do not know where the virus is coming you only know the circumstances but there are no such things as perfect protocols, even in hospitals where doctors and nurses are fully equipped with PPE and protection they still get infected how much more in a place where people from different places come and go.


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September 08, 2020, 05:33:04 PM
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This is trial and error. They opened their casinos and restaurants with measures that would prevent the spread of the virus and they failed the first time. They corrected their errors and opened those businesses again. The second time around, they still had failures and then they learned lessons and designed certain additional measures.
Well that's how most of the theories work, by trial and error the risk is always high at first, mild at second and supposed to be low at the third time. I'm pretty sure we can reopen now with effective guidelines measure, appropriate attires, proper hygiene and self-awareness. Lesson from the past attempts surely sinks in.

And now this is their third attempt. I wish for them the best. This is obviously a hard time to balance the attempt for economic recovery with keeping the virus at bay.
but I forgot this is America, land of self proclaim people. Saying that the virus is not real, "my body, my choice" lol I'm not telling all the americans, I  haven't been there, but what I see on videos and articles describe what it's like in there.
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September 08, 2020, 05:44:35 PM
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This is trial and error. They opened their casinos and restaurants with measures that would prevent the spread of the virus and they failed the first time. They corrected their errors and opened those businesses again. The second time around, they still had failures and then they learned lessons and designed certain additional measures. And now this is their third attempt. I wish for them the best. This is obviously a hard time to balance the attempt for economic recovery with keeping the virus at bay.

The first two months of the quarantine is probably the hardest because no guidelines and protocols are in place, and even if there are there's still a possibility of infection because you do not know where the virus is coming you only know the circumstances but there are no such things as perfect protocols, even in hospitals where doctors and nurses are fully equipped with PPE and protection they still get infected how much more in a place where people from different places come and go.
Still now there is no perfect security measures that is why government set all the business to open to get some revenue which can be useful to tackle the losses made earlier this year.Schools and malls are also set to open so it is not a wonder to have a operating casino under new normal.
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September 08, 2020, 06:47:58 PM
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The first two months of the quarantine is probably the hardest because no guidelines and protocols are in place,
why no ? they ready declared quarantine which means they already know the rules to be followed  but indeed it was only hard at first because the virus is still fresh and many people already carried and pass the virus without knowing it .

even in hospitals where doctors and nurses are fully equipped with PPE and protection they still get infected how much more in a place where people from different places come and go.
health workers are more prone because they faced so many sick people not unlike to a common individual that some of the people you faced are healthy  and the air that you breathe are mostly fresh because your arent in a hospital or a closed room .
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September 08, 2020, 08:55:42 PM
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The first two months of the quarantine is probably the hardest because no guidelines and protocols are in place,
why no ? they ready declared quarantine which means they already know the rules to be followed  but indeed it was only hard at first because the virus is still fresh and many people already carried and pass the virus without knowing it .
Guidelines and protocols are in immediate effect when there is a pandemic such a virus, it is 24/7 broadcast in the news like a basic proper hygiene, use of face mask and social distancing. Maybe there was an adjustment made by establishment, but that depends on the owner or staff whether they want their place clean or not. There are even people going outside even their area is under quarantined.

With all this, the question should start why Miami reopening casinos and restaurants. This is probably due to their economic losses that they need to cope up with.

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September 08, 2020, 09:05:12 PM
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In an order passed on Friday Casinos and Restaurants are now allowed to reopen for the third time in Miami Dade, and further they can now serve their patrons up to 50% of their operating capacity.

It’s pertinent to note that this time they have learnt from their past mistakes, and now they’ll be required to run fans in the hvac system when their customers are in the premises, and this is done because covid is know to spread through air conditioners.



They learned their lesson well, if there is a fourth time they will be in trouble because it's seldom that a company was given a chance to re open for a third and it should not be the case, if this happen in our country the company will be facing a stiff penalty and they might not open again, following the health protocols should be the top priority of any companies in this time of pandemic.

Since cafe's and restaurants can run on home delivery business only, they should be limited in their operations for dine in. Only take away should be opened so that there is no risk of gathering and spreading of coronavirus. Restaurants may wait for another couple of month before being opened in full.
There are already some establishments or restaurants that do partially open or in operation yet it cant really be possible for now for them to open and make arrangement just like on a normal day.

Its just understandable that government had already given out permission for them to open but of course they would need to follow the new protocol for them to able to do so.

This isnt just only for their own good but also this do really limit out the spread since it would really create a big problem if transmission would really be happen just because it did really generate some crowd.
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September 08, 2020, 10:16:34 PM
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So for the third time they allowed these establishments to operate again and I think they should now be ready with the protocols and things needed before they operate their business. The government will not allow for them to resume without these establishments complying to the guidelines and terms set by the government. And being large gathering places, these business must comply. Further lockdowns might weaken some business up to the point that they can no longer operate and will need to shutdown.

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September 08, 2020, 10:21:06 PM
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So for the third time they allowed these establishments to operate again and I think they should now be ready with the protocols and things needed before they operate their business. The government will not allow for them to resume without these establishments complying to the guidelines and terms set by the government. And being large gathering places, these business must comply. Further lockdowns might weaken some business up to the point that they can no longer operate and will need to shutdown.

The government are weighing things here, and they choose not to imposed the penalty of completely shutting down the business as they need their economy to continue to flow, people will suffer for being jobless and government would be able to collect tax from this establishment.

This is the time where the government needs more funds for the budget, so they might increase the tax to compensate the expenses they spend in battling the pandemic, with that said, they can't just easily close a business which is the source of their taxes, unless they made a serious offence neglecting the protocol despite given a chance to operate again.

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September 08, 2020, 11:03:22 PM
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It's not easy to deal with COVID-19, not only Miami Dade is having a hard time reopening casinos and restaurants.
Almost all crowded places will experience the same thing, when it reopens there will be a huge surge in cases. But
indeed the economy must recover, so Miami Dade has reopened casinos and restaurants for the third time. So it
requires the awareness of all people to always comply with all established health protocols, so it can be prevented
the spread of COVID-19.

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It's not easy to deal with COVID-19, not only Miami Dade is having a hard time reopening casinos and restaurants.
Almost all crowded places will experience the same thing, when it reopens there will be a huge surge in cases. But
indeed the economy must recover, so Miami Dade has reopened casinos and restaurants for the third time. So it
requires the awareness of all people to always comply with all established health protocols, so it can be prevented
the spread of COVID-19.

the problem is all around the world. it is how they will implement their health safety protocols to lessen further infection. as many casinos are already opening up to the community, the potential of covid infection is always there. because even if a person is not showing the symptoms but asymptomatic, he can infect others who are vulnerable to this disease.
 so these establishments will do their part to follow the protocols but the people themselves should also follow the regulations on their end.

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September 09, 2020, 02:35:16 AM
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This is the reasons why many countries prepared to open their economy slowly even they know that virus is still there  because the starvation  is much biggest problem compared to people that will die having that virus.

Its time to adopt it and know how to do your job while following government protocols  .

My country is one of the country that opted to open the economy despite oppositions from medical experts, this is a decision that our leaders have hard time to address, the budget has been realigned to address the CoVid issues and they have to open the economy and that includes casinos and restaurants but the guideline is they can only accommodate half of their capacity, failure to follow will result in permanent closure of the establishment.

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September 09, 2020, 03:17:41 AM
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This is the reasons why many countries prepared to open their economy slowly even they know that virus is still there  because the starvation  is much biggest problem compared to people that will die having that virus.

Its time to adopt it and know how to do your job while following government protocols  .

My country is one of the country that opted to open the economy despite oppositions from medical experts, this is a decision that our leaders have hard time to address, the budget has been realigned to address the CoVid issues and they have to open the economy and that includes casinos and restaurants but the guideline is they can only accommodate half of their capacity, failure to follow will result in permanent closure of the establishment.
Same here,The government must decide to stay keeping safe while the economy will continue dying,or risk the health( but with extreme rules of social distancing and wearing mask and facemask) so economy will still lead to recovery.
because now all countries are falling and this virus tearing every economy so decision must be made for the benefits of everyone/









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September 09, 2020, 03:33:01 AM
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I beg to differ the number of cases globally is on the rise and especially in those countries where there is no restriction. I do understand that people need to work otherwise they will dies because of starvation but you also cannot expect people to sincerely follow the protocols.

Untill strict measures are in place in both situation (Lockdown or non lockdown) people will suffer and die.

The number of new infections are not rising. They are going down in some of the most affected countries such as the United States, Brazil, South Africa and Mexico. Only in a few countries such as India, the number of new cases is going up. This means that we are moving towards herd immunity, and in 3 to 6 months most of the regions will be able to achieve that.
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September 09, 2020, 08:39:04 AM
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@Juggy777, I am more in favor of the proposals by Bryant. This pandemic is going to last for many more months and it is not practical to shut down the economy any further. Like what you said, it is true that some of those who infected earlier got the virus for the second time. But such instances are extremely rare, and they occur when the infected person didn't developed the antibodies in his blood stream, when he got infected for the first time.

The longer that the economy is closed the soonest the government will go bankrupt, the only way they can battle losing the economy is to set up restrictions and health protocol that everyone will follow, that way they can save the economy and there will be lower infections, people will not suffer from the virus but they will likely suffer from starvation.

This is the reasons why many countries prepared to open their economy slowly even they know that virus is still there  because the starvation  is much biggest problem compared to people that will die having that virus.

Its time to adopt it and know how to do your job
while following government protocols.


I would say instead: "while following the best  safety measures/safety protocol".    Everyone expects that government will have the best safety rule for the crisis... If a government does not have the best safety rules, people who have or know them could fill in the gap. The effectiveness of such measures will be seen in the evidence-based results that work/help/prevent the situation.
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September 09, 2020, 09:51:32 AM
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This is trial and error. They opened their casinos and restaurants with measures that would prevent the spread of the virus and they failed the first time. They corrected their errors and opened those businesses again. The second time around, they still had failures and then they learned lessons and designed certain additional measures. And now this is their third attempt. I wish for them the best. This is obviously a hard time to balance the attempt for economic recovery with keeping the virus at bay.

It really is, but they cannot do this trial and error for so many times, they are going to lose a lot if they keep on having issues with infections they need to perfect the health protocols now or they will face penalties and closure of the establishment, the authorities will consider this negligence in implementing the health protocols.

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September 09, 2020, 10:58:25 AM
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It's not easy to deal with COVID-19, not only Miami Dade is having a hard time reopening casinos and restaurants.
Almost all crowded places will experience the same thing, when it reopens there will be a huge surge in cases. But
indeed the economy must recover, so Miami Dade has reopened casinos and restaurants for the third time. So it
requires the awareness of all people to always comply with all established health protocols, so it can be prevented
the spread of COVID-19.
This is true it's not easy to dealt with this pandemic happening. Even here in my country the businesses are slowly opening but they must follow the protocols for them to operate. Even in our country casinos are not yet fully operational to lessen the spread of this virus. Since Miami Dade are about to open hope this time they will follow the guidelines for the safety of the people.
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September 09, 2020, 11:47:44 AM
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It's not easy to deal with COVID-19, not only Miami Dade is having a hard time reopening casinos and restaurants.
Almost all crowded places will experience the same thing, when it reopens there will be a huge surge in cases. But
indeed the economy must recover, so Miami Dade has reopened casinos and restaurants for the third time. So it
requires the awareness of all people to always comply with all established health protocols, so it can be prevented
the spread of COVID-19.
This is true it's not easy to dealt with this pandemic happening. Even here in my country the businesses are slowly opening but they must follow the protocols for them to operate. Even in our country casinos are not yet fully operational to lessen the spread of this virus. Since Miami Dade are about to open hope this time they will follow the guidelines for the safety of the people.
It is happening here because many people disobey the rules and don't care about the impact of Covid-19, which they saw in the news.
Every business here is trying to use a strict rule for all of its employees because they don't want to break the government's rule, so that makes the company check all their employees before they enter the office.
It is not easy, but they must do it if they don't want to see a new cluster in their company.
The employee, the customer, and the staff must pass the check, and if one of them is caught positive or reactive, that person must do quarantine at home or hospital.
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September 09, 2020, 01:37:01 PM
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This is trial and error. They opened their casinos and restaurants with measures that would prevent the spread of the virus and they failed the first time. They corrected their errors and opened those businesses again. The second time around, they still had failures and then they learned lessons and designed certain additional measures.
Well that's how most of the theories work, by trial and error the risk is always high at first, mild at second and supposed to be low at the third time. I'm pretty sure we can reopen now with effective guidelines measure, appropriate attires, proper hygiene and self-awareness. Lesson from the past attempts surely sinks in.

However this is not a theory. One step amiss and a life may be cut, human life in particular. But of course I agree with what you generally mean. This is all about trying to make things work in the middle of a pandemic. One lesson learned at a time, eventually these casinos and restaurants will open and operate without the risk of spreading the virus.

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And now this is their third attempt. I wish for them the best. This is obviously a hard time to balance the attempt for economic recovery with keeping the virus at bay.
but I forgot this is America, land of self proclaim people. Saying that the virus is not real, "my body, my choice" lol I'm not telling all the americans, I  haven't been there, but what I see on videos and articles describe what it's like in there.

That's true. This is one major factor. It is very hard to strike a balance when the people themselves are now disregarding health protocols due to their misplaced behavior. There should be a very strict enforcement of health measures to make sure lives are not put at risk.
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September 09, 2020, 02:08:15 PM
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I would say instead: "while following the best  safety measures/safety protocol".    Everyone expects that government will have the best safety rule for the crisis... If a government does not have the best safety rules, people who have or know them could fill in the gap. The effectiveness of such measures will be seen in the evidence-based results that work/help/prevent the situation.

The governments (with the exception of those in US, Mexico, Brazil.etc) formulated the best safety rules from the very beginning. Here in India, we had strict lockdown for 7 weeks. But the problem is that some of the citizens refused to follow these instructions. Although they constituted for a small fraction (may be less than 1%), these people resulted in the infection from spreading to the general population. 

It seems that it is not only in India that the spread of the corona virus is caused by people who refuse government instructions.
In some other countries there are also very many people who cause the spread of COVID-19, due to people who are lack of
awareness to adhere to health protocols. It is true that people refuse to follow related government regulations health protocols
are usually scanty. But even though the numbers are small, the consequences are very dangerous. Could cause the spread of
the corona virus to become more widespread.

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