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[scammed-by-nitro]

Seems like they permanently locked the thread, haha.

Did the strike do anything? Is is still running?

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[SkyReVo]

Seems like they permanently locked the thread, haha.

Did the strike do anything? Is is still running?

Not according to higherhighs, he expects 1000 players by the end of the year and thinks everything is going great!

Don't see why you specifically would care though.

[AlexTrebbert]

ANOTHER DELETED POST FROM THE MAIN SWC THREAD

I reported swc's personal house friend xgoodfella for chat abuse with evidence of him insulting players, here is the answer.

"Thank you for taking the time to send SwC a screenshot of player chat you felt was inappropriate. We will analyze the player's chat and determine what steps to take, if any.

Good luck at the tables."

If any, right. He still has his chat by the way. Mine was perma banned for nothing.

This site is just something else.

Support plays favorites with regards to answering emails, monitoring chat, and providing refunds for site outages.  

Rules and policies should be enforced equally.  Bootlickers shouldn't get special treatment.

SWC needs to remain impartial in all instances to allow the user base to be confident that the games are fair. If support plays favorites with regards to their policies, is playing favorites with regards to game integrity next. This is a slippery slope you are heading down SWC.  Users need to feel confident and trust a site because there is so much that goes on behind the curtain that we can't see for obvious reasons.  Deleting posts here really isn't helping us trust you either.

[SkyReVo]

The other thread got closed as "solved" here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313002.new#new

If they refuse to answer you, you can always open a new thread there as that seems to be the only language they understand now.

[AlexTrebbert]

Fix the rake. Specifically, fix the hu rake at limit midstakes.

[AlexTrebbert]

Rake is mooning!

[RUchamp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730067109488492687/809137689680019516/Screenshot_20210210-140300.png

Who woulda thought glitch was actually the better of swc PR.

Death to seals, euthanasia for anyone still playing there

[SkyReVo]

Who woulda thought glitch was actually the better of swc PR.

Death to seals, euthanasia for anyone still playing there

That link doesn't work.

[tokeweed]

I’m getting the sense that the site has lost a big chunk of traffic while looking at the lobby rn.  What could have been...  SWC missed an opportunity to build a BTC economy.  If only it had focused on the micros and built the player base from there.  It could turn out more solid and more sustainable imho.

[johhnyUA]

I’m getting the sense that the site has lost a big chunk of traffic while looking at the lobby rn.  What could have been...  SWC missed an opportunity to build a BTC economy.  If only it had focused on the micros and built the player base from there.  It could turn out more solid and more sustainable imho.

It's heartbreaking to hear such things 

SwC was the most comfortable and cools place for poker I have to see. With minimalistic and good design.
But i think maybe the problem with traffic because the peak was at Covid spring lookdown?

[RUchamp]

It's a screenshot of the definition of "death knell"

But seriously you'd have to either be somehow scamming or short chromosomes to still play on swc (bert)

[ThatOneGuyOnHere]

I’m getting the sense that the site has lost a big chunk of traffic while looking at the lobby rn.  What could have been...  SWC missed an opportunity to build a BTC economy.  If only it had focused on the micros and built the player base from there.  It could turn out more solid and more sustainable imho.

This is the biggest issue. Constantly deciding not to add tournaments lower than 100 chips was a big issue. Give the player base a way to get their bankroll, and feed the upper limits. No site out there today doesn't cater to the micros. That feeds the higher limits.

[SkyReVo]

I mean, that's just not true. Most sites have stopped catering to micro/nano players, such as party poker, who have chosen to almost exclusively offer satellites into bigger BI tournaments for nano players.

Or GG poker, who has chosen to position themselves as THE midstakes+ tournament website and has successfully created the most successful schedule online (up to 300.000 people online) - every micro tournament is either turbo or hyper here and on the other end of the spectrum, they regularly run $2650 buy-in tournaments and in cashgames, they have the super highstakes VIP games now. I mean, look at this:





And it's not remotely close to prime time right now.

Or Kingsclubspkr, who up until recently had $4/$8 as their lowest limit games and positioned themselves as the place to be for non-NLHE players.

Turns out a midstakes+ player is infinitely more valuable to a poker site than micro stakes players.

The big issue SWC has is that they had one trademark position in the market - lowest rake - and they fucked with that, so everyone who doesn't strictly plays for fun has up and gone somewhere better. Except for Chinese, which still seems to run as there is only one real alternative, there is better options out there for every single variant now.

[AlexTrebbert]

This is just silly at this point. $8+ rake at the jackpot tables and $1.50+ for heads up limit rake at mid stakes.

[AlexTrebbert]

Rake is still some of the highest in the industry in certain spots. Once again, heads up limit rake is too high and double the rake vs ACR and Stars in the stakes that people actually play $2/$4 USD - $10/$20 USD.



Prices of BTC on date of last 2 rake adjustments:

Median price on Jan 5th = $33,000.00
Median price on Feb 26th = $46,700.00

There was a 43% rise in BTC price from Jan 5th to Feb 26th.  I am assuming the reduction in rake is due to the rise of BTC, therefore the rake should be reduced approximately 29.3%.  In every spot except 3 in the chart above it remains the same.  Not one of the rake reductions listed in the limit rake chart comparison between Jan 5th and Feb 26th is even close to a 29% reduction.  This rake cut looks more like a rake increase to me when you look at rake in USD value.   Since you are so transparent about your rake schedule and you talk about rake unlike other poker sites can you please explain this?

You Asked, We Listened


RAKE HAS BEEN LOWERED

Most poker rooms don't talk about rake because it's too high.
SwC does because we offer low rake & fast cashouts.

See Our Current Rake Tables
See Our Transparent Record Of Past Rake Tables

[AlexTrebbert]

This rake cut looks more like a rake increase to me when you look at rake in USD value.

Compare the rake before to the rake now.

Glady. You can't predict whether BTC will rise or fall with any certainty, so in order to compare the rake you need to compare vs the dates it was adjusted. I will compare the rake caps in USD price on Jan 5th (the date of the prior rake adjustment) vs the rake caps in USD price on Feb 26th (the date of the most recent rake adjustments).







As you can see above, every fixed limit stake has had it's base USD rake increased when you compare vs the Jan 5th rake schedule.  If you look at all the games that run the most you can see that the 10/20 jackpot has also increased, so have all of the ofc games except 25/pt and 200+/pt.  $200/pt + never runs anymore. That's $10/pt at 50k btc price.

The cap has been reduced in nlh 6max and 9 handed tables at 25/50 and above.  This rarely runs anymore since 25/50 is $1.25/$2.50 at 50k btc price.  Nonetheless, this a a positive step in the right direction albeit a baby step.

The cap has also been reduced below 5/10 nl/pl.  This is a stake that the cap means very little since the cap gets hit substantially less.  At 5/10 you would need a pot of 1,125 chips to hit the cap of 45 chips. That's a 112.5 big blind pot.

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The rake looks pretty reasonable to me - especially fixed limit games.

Well when you compare the fixed limit rake to stars and ACR, it's not reasonable.  The problem areas are marked in red and green.  The major areas that need fixing are still heads up mid stake, but there are problems everywhere.

[AlexTrebbert]

I believe there is new text shown in the Withdraw section of the SwC Poker cashier:

Your withdraw will be slightly less due to Bitcoin network fee. Users pay exact network fee, there is no charge by SwC.

This is correct. For withdrawals, the required network fee will be deducted from the total amount withdrawn. Players will only pay the exact network fee required to complete the transaction. SwC does not charge or keep any fees for deposits or withdrawals.

Can you please announce changes that negatively affect users prior to their implementation in the future.  Your failure to communicate changes prior to their implementation has caused outrage in the past with regards to issues like rake.

I would also suggest discussing proposed changes with the community first to see how they will go over.

I would like to point out that NitrogenSports offers 1 free withdrawal per week for users who gamble over a certain amount of their initial deposit.  Possibly something like this could be a better solution to keep costs down.

You could have users specify the fee that they would like to pay.  I realize that something like this may require software development.   Maybe you could do something like the withdrawal's last digit would signify the speed of transaction your user would like to implement.  Say a withdrawal of 10,000.01 would signify that the user wants the transaction sent with a high fee whereas a withdraw of 10,000.09 would suggest that a user wants the transaction sent with the lowest fee possible.

Also the way you are sending bitcoin seems very suboptimal. When the site is paying for fees this isn't a problem, but if you are charging your users the actual transaction fee you should do your best to keep these fees as low as possible.  Below is a withdrawal processed by SWC within the last 24 hrs.  The user is a regular and was charged the actual network fee. The user posted this in the SWC trollbox and made it public. I have converted the transaction to USD values and hidden the addresses to keep this transaction as private as possible.



How to keep fees low and BTC lingo is not an area of my expertise so I will leave discussing how this is a very suboptimal transaction and the possible solutions to someone with more knowledge in this area.

[AlexTrebbert]

MARCH MADNESS BITCOIN POKER SERIES
March 18th - April 4th

No 5k or 10k mixed events?  Only 1 3k mixed event?  Only 6 non nlh events?  Only 1 PLO event? Are you even listening to your user base?  One of the few things SWC still has going for it is that all the non-nlh games get spread and played there. For some reason there is the misconception by your tourney director that lower buyins brings in more player. Lower buyins bring more players who like to play tourneys with lower buyins. These are not the same players who play higher buyins.  You have a large group of cash game players who play mix who aren't really interested in playing $20 or $55 mtts that pay out under $1k usd for 1st and would rather play $215s or $530s. You are not catering to them at all.

Obviously you will get more players in a micro stakes nlh tourney.  The non nlh mtts are a niche thing. You have to keep them on the schedule and hope to build them over time. What you do not want to do is be results oriented right away.  Play to your strengths which in this case is that you actually spread games like 27td, badeucey, badacey, badugi, stud, stud8, 5 card PLO, BigO.  You can't expect them to crush it every time, but you want to keep them around.  Patience, grasshopper.  You aren't failing as a poker site if you run a non nlh tourney and it doesn't run, you are establishing a base for the long run and investing in the future.

What you do not want to do are the following things you have been doing:
1) DO NOT CHANGE THE START TIME EVER.  The high roller 11 game was originally at something like 7 pm EST 2 or 3 months ago. Then it got shifted to 4 or 5 pm EST. And then a few weeks ago it got switched to 9:30 pm EST.  You want to be consistent.  Some timeslots are better for some players, some aren't.  For example, the high roller is set to start at 9pm EST every weekend and Joe is a reg who plays almost every week. Joe can play at 9pm EST but can't play at 3pm EST.  If you switch it from 9pm to 3pm you lose Joe, you don't necessarily gain another person who is available at that time slot right away.  That takes time.  It's not like you are aggressively advertising.  And say you do find someone who would be a potential regular at the new time slot.  They have to actually remember that it is at 3pm EST.  Joe knew it was at 9pm and would make time for it.  When you shift the time slot you lose players, when you lose players there is a chance the tourney doesn't run, when it doesn't run it discourages players from showing up in the future and they begin looking for other things at that time and then your tourney dies. CHANGE IS BAD.

2) DO NOT CHANGE THE BUYIN.  This is a huge issue at a bitcoin poker site and sometimes you are forced to.  I think you often overlook one of the key psychological aspects of poker.  Human beings hate losing more than they love winning.  This is often why you see people move up in stakes aggressively when losing: chasing loses. Now when you apply this to bitcoin and poker, you will see that people almost always want to win back the amount of bitcoin they have lost.  This is completely independent of the price of bitcoin in USD.  For example, James had 50,000 chips on SWC when BTC was $10,000, he has lost 20,000 chips over the last few months and now he has 30,000 chips with BTC is at $50,000. Chances are James is thinking that he is down 20,000 chips, losing, and wants to win those chips back, not that he is up $1000 in USD.  People don't like to move down in stakes and that applies to stakes in BTC too.  People will be much more apt to move up in stakes than down.  You had a healthy 11 game tourney at 10k chips and it very rarely didn't run.  By changing it to 5k you upset a lot of players and a lot of players lost interest in it because it was not what they were accustomed to playing for.  Now combine this with the changing of time slots repeatedly and another drop in price to 3k chips and you have practically killed this once very healthy MTT.  Now of course I would imagine that at some point you would have had to reduce this MTT from it's original 10k but you don't need to jump the gun on this because CHANGE IS BAD.  All you can do is lose when you change anything regarding a scheduled MTTs timeslot or buyin.

3) YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAGGER YOUR MTT SCHEDULE WITH REGARDS TO BIG BUYIN MIXED GAMES.  9:30 pm EST on a Sunday has to be the nut worst time to run a regular scheduled mixed tourney.  Everything in the MTT world on Sundays starts at around 11am EST, gets really going around 1pm or 2pm EST, and then drops off around 4 pm or 5 pm EST.  This would coincide with when most of the NFL games are running.  Also this would be as soon as possible after Sunday morning church service.  9pm is no man's land. People have already played their tourneys for the day. The sporting events are over and people are no longer sweating their bets.  Some have even had too many beers at this point.  If somehow you are thinking that staggering your big buyin MTTs is a good idea, you are doing it backwards.  You should run the 11 game high roller before or right around the same time as the Big BTC, not after.  A player who busts from the 11 game is much more likely to join the Big BTC in an effort to get unstuck than a player who busts the Big BTC is to join the 11 game tourney.  A player who plays mixed knows how to play nlh.  And on the off chance that the 11 game doesn't run, a player can jump into the Big BTC (This is also a great reason to have the 11 game be 5k chips like the Big BTC).

I suggest changing the weekly 11 game to 5k chips and moving it to 5pm EST or earlier.

Don't micromanage the timeslots and buyins.  Pick something and run with it.

[RUchamp]

mmmm $40k of ruchamp action not going to swc 
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[pokerman855]

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So, if i go with KK and someone else goes with AA and i win i get the jackpot?

no, it's much more rare than that. the BBJ gets triggered when someone loses the main pot with AAAKK (the nut full house) or better. that means you're only gonna see it happen when at least one player has quads or better. there are some additional rules too. for example, quads only count when you have pocket pair hole cards.

It would be nice to have more info about it, i had try to search on the site and couldn't find info, and i'm not allowed to ask in the chat because i have not much krill. So, it would be nice if you explain me the right way to win the prize in the jackpot. Thanks.

all the info you need is here: https://swcpoker.eu/post/bad-beat-jackpot-starting-at-100k

Thanks for the great answer buddy, now i understand how it works, but the odds of it to happen is really low, i mean you need to be in a table with 4 players and see trips with pair in the table, then two of the users must have poker... is a weird scenario, it's possible but really hard to happen...

yeah, i hear ya. one thing to note is that BBJ tables are where all the action is on SwC, more often than not. also, it's not just the player that gets the bad beat who gets paid out---so does the hand winner + everyone else dealt into the hand. this dynamic tends to make the BBJ tables even juicier, so the jackpot isn't the only reason to play them.

I love SWC poker! Never had issues with it.

I been playing swc many years its very nice low rake and decent action atm 2BTC Bad beat jackpot aswell. I have full trust in the site seen alot skechy ones but this one is very good.

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