[FREE TRIAL] LoyceV's convenient (paid) service for signature campaign managers

[LoyceV]

New: Free trial for established campaign managers. I reserve the right to reject proposals, for instance for campaigns that don't pay their participants in Bitcoin.
This offer started June 11, 2023.


I've been thinking about offering this service for a few months now, so here it goes

Are you a Signature Campaign Manager?
Do you have a campaign that runs for a long time?
Are you tired of checking users' post histories, checking post dates, counting posts and typing numbers?
Do you want an easy overview of all relevant posts, excluding the posts on boards that don't get paid?
Do you want to just copy/paste a CSV-file into your spreadsheet and only manually reject individual posts that shouldn't be paid?
Do you want to focus on the overall quality of your campaign?

I might be able to help!

Examples
It's easiest way to explain my service is by just showing what I offer. I made these examples for the ChipMixer Signature Campaign.
Part 1: Post counting
Example 1: loyce.club/sigcamp/chipmixer/week_171/
This is a public sample, a real version will be password protected because it can include posts in Investigations, which shouldn't be publicly accessible. Week 171 didn't have such posts.
Part 1 is based on the posts as they are at the end of the week (or month, depending on the campaign).

Part 2: A quick overview of the state of the campaign
Example 2: loyce.club/sigcamp/chipmixer/
I got this idea more than a year ago, but never completed it. It does not include posts in Investigations.
Note: this sample data is incomplete, some users are missing because I collected the data with an outdated list of usernames. This sample doesn't get automated updates, a real version would get frequent updates to continuously reflect the current state of the campaign.
Part 2 is based on unedited posts as they were initially made. This includes all posts before edits or deletions.

Pricing
I don't mind doing things for free, but since campaign managers don't work for free, it seems fair to charge a fee:

Setup including running for the first month: $80
Each additional month: $10 (assuming a reasonable number of users)
Second campaign from the same campaign manager: 50% off. Third and more campaigns: 75% off.
Occasional changes: free of charge.

I can add your data somewhere on loyce.club, or I can upload it to your own server.

New: Highlight changed signatures
Some users try to cheat signature campaigns by switching their signature back and forth between campaigns twice a week. As part of my convenient service for campaign managers, I now keep logs of signature changes of participants. Example: LoyceBot's signature.
All signatures are checked at random times, on average at least once a day. I keep track of the last checked date, and show all changes. This signature for instance looks the same, but made some changes to non-braking spaces so it was detected.

Disclaimer
Unfortunately, I can't guarantee uptime. I can give you my best effort, but if things fail, they fail.

No spam
Self-moderated against spam. Comments and requests are of course allowed.

Free bonus service: counting Merit received in the last 120 days

Post this on any public board:

Sample post before editing
Merit earned in the last 120 days: <wait for it>
(it doesn't have to be red)
(this only works if it's a new post, edits are ignored)

Wait a few seconds, then go to loyce.club/120days for the result.
Edit your post and enter your Merit total. Use (Copy this link) to add a direct link for the campaign manager to verify: http://loyce.club/120days/index.html#125

Sample post after editing
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 680 Merit.

BBCode:

Code:

Merit earned in the last 120 days: [url=http://loyce.club/120days/index.html#125]680 Merit[/url].

Campaign Managers: feel free to quote this post in your campaign thread if you're interested in the 120 days Merit count.

Note: quoting this post triggers an update to loyce.club/120days too.

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[tranthidung]

Start:8009, End:8051, 2,40

2,40, what are they?

From the other users, I can guess red is for deleted posts, green is for total weekly postcount. but for that case, TryNinja, stats are not matched.

It is for postcount only, with this version. I know managers have to check post quality and contexts by themselves. Would you interested in to add average of time between post, in minute?

It can be used when managers are looking at campaign applications.

[LoyceV]

2,40, what are they?

Red: not counted (posts on boards that don't get paid) (posts #37 and #40)
Green: counted posts.

I can guess red is for deleted posts

I scrape each user's post history as it is, deleted posts don't show up.

I know managers have to check post quality and contexts by themselves.

That still requires manual checking indeed.

Would you interested in to add average of time between post, in minute?

I've considered adding a scatter graph, but didn't get to it yet.

[sujonali1819]

2,40, what are they?
From the other users, I can guess red is for deleted posts, green is for total weekly postcount. but for that case, TryNinja, stats are not matched.

If the red colored amount would a deleted post count then this version can not help much to the managers. Yes, managers need to check all post manually for checking the Quality. Also almost all the campaigns has some rules like for post characters, must post in a suitable sections, post will not be counted in some boards/sections, etc. So I don't think how these matters will filled by this scripts. But yes if the final version can arrive the solution and can give good results according to campaigns rules then it will be really great one service by loycev again.

Ops, loycev post the previous reply while I was typing.

[RapTarX]

How much an average campaign manager get paid? I don't know. I remember once I was in contact with you for having some data but as you wanted that to be a paid service (which is reasonable of course), I had to quit the conversation with the project owner as they offered me very low payment.
An average paid CM is unlikely to use your service I guess while your targeted CM wouldn't like to use your service as they will have to check the posts manually to ensure quality.
Nevertheless, there's a chance that bounty campaign manager will be interested in your service as they barely check the quality of the post; they just count the number. Your project would be a good hand for them.
Just my 2 sats.

[tranthidung]

An average paid CM is unlikely to use your service I guess while your targeted CM wouldn't like to use your service as they will have to check the posts manually to ensure quality.

LoyceV actually helped DarkStar_ to count posts in the ChipMixer campaign in 2019. You can check it at his Trust summary, use DarkStar_ keyword to search quickly.

Loyce helped me out with post counting for the ChipMixer campaign. They did a great job.

This idea is not bad and it is no harm to open a new service.

I remember once I was in contact with you for having some data but as you wanted that to be a paid service (which is reasonable of course)

I contacted LoyceV few times and he helped me with data, free if:

• He thinks my request is reasonable
• He thinks it is for my works relate to the forum issues

It is reasonable to charge fee if you make request for things you earn money from. 

[LoyceV]

An average paid CM is unlikely to use your service

I'm not after the average campaign manager

LoyceV actually helped DarkStar_ to count posts in the ChipMixer campaign in 2019.

Although correct, that feedback was not for the service I'm currently offering.

[NotATether]

For posts in Investigations, do you think it is possible to replace the entire post with the URL to the post (or with the one in your Unedited Posts archives) for managers to assess manually, changing it from this:

9.  Other / Meta / Re: [TELEGRAM] Yet Another BitcoinTalk Notification BOT (merits, mentions, topics,+)

to this?

9. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.msg55080396#msg55080396

Since links to Investigations can't be accessed without logging in (IIRC?), it keeps the post contents private. You can use a regex that looks for occurrences of

Economy / Trading Discussion / Scam Accusations / Investigations

in the title of your pages.

[LoyceV]

For posts in Investigations, do you think it is possible to replace the entire post with the URL to the post

I could, but a password-protected directory is much easier. Only the campaign manager has to get access to this.

(or with the one in your Unedited Posts archives)

I don't archive hidden boards, that scraper doesn't log in so it doesn't see those posts.

Since links to Investigations can't be accessed without logging in (IIRC?)

Correct.

[icopress]

I stumbled upon this thread by accident and remembered a similar service from LoyceV, (but for a long time I could not find this thread). You could add this thread to the list LoyceV's useful data on Bitcointalk? Btway, as a matter of fact, I wanted to know how things are with updates, since judging by this, there are still a number of unrealized tasks.

[LoyceV]

(but for a long time I could not find this thread)

When in doubt, use https://bitcointalk.org/gettopics.php?user=459836 to search a user's topics.

You could add this thread to the list LoyceV's useful data on Bitcointalk?

I didn't add it because that topic is only for forum-related data. Not for (my) services.

I wanted to know how things are with updates, since judging by this, there are still a number of unrealized tasks.

I haven't worked on it since there has been zero interest in this service.
From my list:

1. Todo: make the topic title layout more like how it looks on the forum.
2. Todo: check signatures in the user profile.
3. Todo: add earned Merit in the past week and in the past 120 days.
4. Todo: add graph to detect post bursting.

1. I've just removed this from my list. It's not important.
2. That would still be cool to add, although ideally it should happen at random times, so it might be better as a separate service.
3. This is still on my list, but I haven't even checked why this link doesn't properly count sent Merit anymore. I don't think anyone uses it since BPIP offers a better version now.
4. A graph with horizontal the hours and vertical the number of posts in that hour would instantly show how well posts are distributed during the week. If there's any interest I'll add it.

[icopress]

My two cents ... I'm not sure if this question has already been raised, but it would be great if, in addition to everything else, a counting of the number of characters was added. I'm talking about the average for each user, say on a weekly or monthly basis, (based on statistics, managers will be able to have a more detailed idea of how meaningful the conversations of a particular campaign participant are).

[LoyceV]

it would be great if, in addition to everything else, a counting of the number of characters was added.

There's this:

I show a warning for short posts. The character count is slightly inaccurate, and can be far off when many "weird" characters are used in the post. Images can increase the character count too, while text within code tags is not counted. That's why this is left for manual review (with a red warning).

I'm talking about the average for each user, say on a weekly or monthly basis

Adding them per week (and calculating the average) is easy, but getting the exact character count per post is much more difficult. In Russian for instance each character takes a bunch of characters in HTML, and that's what I count.

(based on statistics, managers will be able to have a more detailed idea of how meaningful the conversations of a particular campaign participant are).

Long posts aren't necessarily better. Sometimes a short post is enough. But if you try to extend such a post to meet the minimum post length to be paid, it becomes worse. That's why I like to use this rule in a campaign:

4. There is no minimum length to make a post constructive, but you can expect scrutiny. If you can post a constructive post in 12 words, you don't need to make it longer.

[icopress]

LoyceV the first sentence was a kind of introduction, with which I explained that I had already seen the description of your method of counting characters. Besides, you are saying quite obvious things ... and I completely agree with you that the length of the message in no way reflects its quality, (for this there is a merit system). But if you do not take this factor into account, and be guided only by statistics, then it seems to me that this would be a good addition to the already existing indicators, (f'ex, to display data in a campaign like ChipMixer, where high-quality posters are a priori involved).

Adding them per week (and calculating the average) is easy, but getting the exact character count per post is much more difficult. In Russian for instance each character takes a bunch of characters in HTML, and that's what I count.

Do you mean that when counting, the russian letter A is equivalent to 7 characters? ^{[A in HTML it renders as &#1040;]}, (also, I would also not count single characters with double-sided spaces).

[LoyceV]

Do you mean that when counting, the russian letter A is equivalent to 7 characters? ^{[A in HTML it renders as &#1040;]}

I think so, yes. The campaign manager will still have to do a manual review.

[LoyceV]

Pricing
I don't mind doing things for free, but since campaign managers don't work for free, it seems fair to charge a fee.
Feel free to make me an offer. There's going to be a setup fee to implement your specific campaign(s), and a maintenance fee for weekly/monthly updates. Setting it up won't be worth it for campaigns that only last a few weeks, but can save the campaign manager a lot of time for long-running campaigns.
I can add your data somewhere on loyce.club, or I can upload it to your own server.

Considering the lack of users, clearly, my offer wasn't attractive

I just set this up for someone, and realized it's less work than I expected. So here's a new offer:
Setup including running for the first month: $80
Each additional month: $10 (assuming a reasonable number of users)
Second campaign from the same campaign manager: 50% off. Third and more campaigns: 75% off.
Occasional changes: free of charge.

To set this up, I need 5 things from you:
1. A weekly cut-off day and time (preferrably midnight UTC)

2. (optional) A minimum character count (say 100 characters per post)

3. A list of accepted userIDs:

Code:

459836
949024
1903546

If you make this a public post on Bitcointalk, you can edit it weekly for updates.

4. A list of boards that shouldn't be counted (preferrably in this format) (just the board numbers is enough):

Code:

<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=71.0">Games and rounds</a>
<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=207.0">Investor-based games</a>
<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=212.0">Micro Earnings</a>
<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0">Politics &amp; Society</a>
<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=9.0">Off-topic</a>
<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=251.0">Ivory Tower</a>
<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=250.0">Serious discussion</a>
<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=59.0">Archival</a>

5. A list of topics that shouldn't be counted:

Code:

178336

[LoyceV]

Bump!

Setup including running for the first month: $80
Each additional month: $10 (assuming a reasonable number of users)
Second campaign from the same campaign manager: 50% off. Third and more campaigns: 75% off.
Occasional changes: free of charge.

Bump!

Bump!

[digaran]

A convenient way with less hassle and trouble for managers, maybe you could offer life time plans? If you could automate everything then it should be easy for you to handle life time offers. Nice job👏

[LoyceV]

maybe you could offer life time plans?

My life time or the campaign manager's life time?
I don't know what the future will bring, and I don't want to enter commitments I can't keep.

If you could automate everything then it should be easy for you to handle life time offers. Nice job👏

I can easily scrape userIDs from a post on Bitcointalk, so the campaign manager can adjust things without me. I think most campaign managers don't know yet how convenient this is, otherwise they'd use it

[wwzsocki]

Bump!

This could be a perfect tool if there are also all posts visible to check their quality.

I keep thinking about your bot? If you can use it to automate posts checking, then it should attract more managers because they will have perfect tool, everything in one place.

I think quality is important for many managers and that is the biggest hassle to check all posted comments each week.

Just a thought (of course) but for sure if this would be possible it will be done already