Rapid shitposting attack

[LoyceV]

Are you sure? I'm asking because I'm thinking that any website from the clearweb (such as hackforums is) is indexed by search engines, as far as I know.

You can't access that thread without making an account. Google won't do that, just like the Investigations board. They also follow the requests in robots.txt

Quick question: what means the "[hf]" tag added to some of the profiles from OP?

See:

Users marked with [hf] above are suspected to have posted in the hackforums thread

Edit: for some reason the ban appeal topic vanished and the appeal account seems to have been nuked, see LoyceV's archive here and here.

Now why would he do that?

He didn't, only Mods can delete topics.

[GazetaBitcoin]

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Thanks for the kind explanations, LoyceV!

He didn't, only Mods can delete topics.

Lol, it would have been nice to watch how he would try to defend himself


Besides all these, I think I found a few more members of the gang:

- Fbranislav - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2834304
- OlezhaMiner - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2843274
- @Abdul10012 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2841631
- icardi9 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2852712
- charlixo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2754386

From all these, I am almost sure for the last two that they are part of the gang. The others may not be part of the invasion, but still, they spam with zero value posts and contribute to resurrecting old topics.

[Lemono22]

I see that thread is old and sorry for necrobumping this thread, but I have read some of the posts you guys wrote here, and you were wrong. Some guy came to other forums like yours and under the section of a work offer, he offered members of those forums to pay them to post on this forum. There wasn't any description of what for, he just said that he will pay for writing legit posts on this forum. I can show you proof if MODs are interested.

[suchmoon]

I see that thread is old and sorry for necrobumping this thread, but I have read some of the posts you guys wrote here, and you were wrong. Some guy came to other forums like yours and under the section of a work offer, he offered members of those forums to pay them to post on this forum. There wasn't any description of what for, he just said that he will pay for writing legit posts on this forum. I can show you proof if MODs are interested.

Wrong about what? Did you read the whole thread? We may have not known what it was initially but then someone pointed us to the hackforums thread.

And those spam posts weren't "legit" at all.

[Lemono22]

I see that thread is old and sorry for necrobumping this thread, but I have read some of the posts you guys wrote here, and you were wrong. Some guy came to other forums like yours and under the section of a work offer, he offered members of those forums to pay them to post on this forum. There wasn't any description of what for, he just said that he will pay for writing legit posts on this forum. I can show you proof if MODs are interested.

Wrong about what? Did you read the whole thread? We may have not known what it was initially but then someone pointed us to the hackforums thread.

And those spam posts weren't "legit" at all.

Wrong about people who posted are the part of "gang" probably 90% of them just saw that "work offer" and thinking what is wrong to post on a forum and earn money from it. As I said, if you are interested and if you are MOD I can show you his "job offer" which looks legit and nothing suspicious about it.

[suchmoon]

Wrong about people who posted are the part of "gang" probably 90% of them just saw that "work offer" and thinking what is wrong to post on a forum and earn money from it. As I said, if you are interested and if you are MOD I can show you his "job offer" which looks legit and nothing suspicious about it.

I don't see how any of this matters. The posts were shit and got deleted and a bunch of users got banned. Trying to whitewash this after a year is bizarre to say the least.

But if you insist, post the offer here. There is nothing "MOD"-special about it, spam get reported by regular users.

[Lemono22]

This is his "job offer" asking the members of some other forums to post no-spam posts and get paid for that.

https://prnt.sc/1v5v5ey

[GazetaBitcoin]

I can show you his "job offer" which looks legit and nothing suspicious about it.

In your eyes there is literally nothing suspicious about paying a bunch of guys to spam a forum? Furthermore, in your eyes it is everything okay to spam a forum for a payment? To be paid to harm? You also don't have any idea what ridiculous things those "employees" used to post here in those days. And you also can't see anymore, as they were nuked. But one of them, which was caught stirring the shit on hackforums, also tried to prove here his innocence while debating on the Bitcoin Forum about what salads he likes. His zero-value proof can be found between posts #23 and #37, within this topic.

This is his "job offer" asking the members of some other forums to post no-spam posts and get paid for that.

https://prnt.sc/1v5v5ey

I don't see any relevance of this. Are you defending the spammers...? Or what's the point of this discussion?

[suchmoon]

This is his "job offer" asking the members of some other forums to post no-spam posts and get paid for that.

https://prnt.sc/1v5v5ey

250 posts per day LOL

That's a huge red flag right there.

[GazetaBitcoin]

What is very interesting is that the employer specified that "Post (n.b. - should have been "Posts", not "Post", but it doesn't matter) must not be spam/notted". This implies the contractor of the spammers had good intentions though (/s, of course)? With other words, they wanted sort of high educated individuals, able to write 250 posts in a day which were not spam? What would they be? I am sure not even a Cypherpunk would be able to write that many of constructive posts in a day

Another thing which caught my attention was the line from the job ad related to English knowledge. Let's read this again:

"You must have a decent English level)" - this sounds decent to me However, there is an add-on, saying "(not that much)". Not that much what? So you are required to have decency in English. But wait, on the other hand, you are also required to not be that much decent in English. How comes that? I am confused.

And at the end it seems the employer was scamming the job applicants too He says that "You can get $50-100$ a day". How? For 100-250 posts in a day the payment was 20 cents per post. If we multiply 0.2$ with 250 the result is 50$ so how could anyone earn 100$? Oh man, you can't even spam anymore as in good old days, because the employer of spammers is scammer. Oh no...


Excepting all these, my question to Lemono22 is still unanswered:

I don't see any relevance of this. Are you defending the spammers...? Or what's the point of this discussion?

[Lemono22]

I don't see anything suspicious, because I am a member of some of these forums and I see plenty of similar job offers, like making a specific number of emails, or posting. Since we can post every 5 minutes here (I am a long time member on some of these and there we can post once per 30 seconds for example) I don't see how can it be dangerous or let's say harming if you post 5-20 posts per day? As you can see from his image, he didn't specify that you must post 250 per day, but you can also post one or two and get paid 0.15 for each.

Excepting all these, my question to Lemono22 is still unanswered:

I don't see any relevance of this. Are you defending the spammers...? Or what's the point of this discussion?

Nope, I do not defend them, but what I defend is "they are a scamming gang" which is not the truth. I just found this and wanted to explain what is behind that. If you guys are not interested then nothing, I thought you would be.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I don't see anything suspicious, because I am a member of some of these forums and I see plenty of similar job offers, like making a specific number of emails, or posting.

You don't understand... Did you read my post from above? Did you check what ridiculous defense Sakhill invoked within this topic? Do you realize that they were talking about salads and make-up for salads on a Bitcoin Forum? Does this seem as not spam? I say once more: discussion about salads (among other zero-value posts) on a Bitcoin Forum. If you still can't see how ridiculous this sound, read it again.

Regarding posting rules on here and on other forums: each forum has it own rules, which should be respected by all users.

Excepting these, as I also said in my post from above which it seems you did not read, you can't properly evaluate the spam if you can't see what they really posted here. And you can't see because all of them were nuked. As a consequence, how can you say they did not post spam, when you even did not see what they posted? Based on what is not spam? Furthermore if they salad-related academic discussion was not spam, why did mods delete their posts? Because mods are abusing their powers, right?

As you can see from his image, he didn't specify that you must post 250 per day

That's right, he didn't, but he said you may post up to 250 posts, which implies if someone would spam -- sorry, engage in an academic debate over salads, then if that individual would spam make very interesting 250 posts about salad on Bitcoin Forum that person would be paid, right? Now imagine how Bitcoin Forum would look like (and I keep repeating this name as it seems you don't get the connection) to have 3 users writing 750 posts per day about salads.

Since we can post every 5 minutes here (I am a long time member on some of these and there we can post once per 30 seconds for example) I don't see how can it be dangerous or let's say harming if you post 5-20 posts per day?

There is nothing harming, if you make constructive posts. But, as I wrote above, not even a Cypherpunk would be able to make 250 constructive posts per day. Meaning a tech savvy. No tech savvy would have that much to discuss in a day.

Excepting that, no matter if you make 1 post or 20, spam is spam even at just one post. Do you understand that salad-related posts (especially in high numbers) don't belong on a Bitcoin Forum?

Nope, I do not defend them, but what I defend is "they are a scamming gang" which is not the truth. I just found this and wanted to explain what is behind that.

How can you say it was not true since you didn't even read their posts? How?

I am a member of some of these forums and I see plenty of similar job offers

Perhaps you are just doing a similar job now, but trying to look smart?

[suchmoon]

Since we can post every 5 minutes here (I am a long time member on some of these and there we can post once per 30 seconds for example) I don't see how can it be dangerous or let's say harming if you post 5-20 posts per day?

"Can" doesn't mean "should" or "won't be banned for shitposting". As GB said, you can't possibly make that many posts without breaking the rules, and the offer said $50-$100 per day, so no, they obviously didn't mean 5-20 posts which would be $0.75-$3.00.

Anyway, the fact is those users that I listed in the OP started spamming like crazy and got caught. If someone did indeed make 5 constructive posts and got paid $0.75 - I have no problem with that nor do I care, that's not what this topic is about.

[OgNasty]

So many chipmixer signatures in this thread...  At a quick glance I'm not sure who the shitposters in this topic are but I do know who in this thread is paying the most money as a result and who is getting paid the most money to continue participating.  Strange how those things always seem to be the same regardless of what drama is being created or if there is any real basis behind it (not saying this isn't a legitimate case of shitposting, just saying it's almost always the same players getting paid for their role in participating in the discussion).  

Maybe stirring up drama and keeping it in the light for money isn't the best incentive to increase the usefulness of this forum and retain legitimate members with good intentions?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I totally second what @ogNasty said, and I just wanna add, on a public forum like this, we should not expect everyone to be perfect in posting habit or to like immediately know how to follow the rules of the forum, a baby does not start walking the same day he or she was given birth to, they take time to learn, for some, the process is short, and for the others, it's a long process which requires the parents to be patient with the child.

Those we condemn today as shit posters might turn out to become great contributors to this great forum later in the future if given a second chance, I bet that some of us here were once like those on the OPs list when it comes posting here some years back.

Am not trying to justify their posting habit or to say what they do is right, all am trying to say is that, in one way or the other, we can help this guys become better instead of sending them away through reporting and banning.

[suchmoon]

Am not trying to justify their posting habit or to say what they do is right, all am trying to say is that, in one way or the other, we can help this guys become better instead of sending them away through reporting and banning.

If mods delete a few of your posts and you realize that you're doing something wrong - that's how you "become better". The other option is to read the rules and look around - perhaps even read the thread - before posting but nobody does that.

[GazetaBitcoin]

So many chipmixer signatures in this thread

Maybe this is because these people were the most involved in stopping the spam attack. In the moment when the spammers spawned here I, myself, reported 1000+ spam posts in ~24h. If others could do it they had the chance to do it as well.

Those we condemn today as shit posters might turn out to become great contributors to this great forum later in the future if given a second chance

This is true - everybody may change in better. And the spammers from here received a second chance. Most of them were just nuked or temp-banned. In case they really wanted to become good posters - which they did not - they could keep posting. But, if you check the profiles listed in OP, you'll see that most of them stopped using those accounts immediately after they were caught. A few continued to use them but also stopped after a few weeks / months. So why do you say they did not receive a second chance?

The other option is to read the rules and look around - perhaps even read the thread - before posting but nobody does that.

Reading the rules is like reading a contract before signing it - who does that? And reading the thread before posting? Aw, cmon...
Most of the newbies looking to rank-up just start spamming, believing they can rank-up just with a big number of posts... This is sad, but this is what I see. The above line was an attempt to put in a funny way the sad situation happening.

@Fivestar4everMVP: But anyway, this was certainly not the case with the users mentioned in OP. These did not want to rank-up, nor to make any coherent discussion. They came targeted to do their "job".