Well I had to fill in a contact tracing form this morning.

[Jet Cash]

As I ordered my coffee in the cafe I was handed a form which I weas required to complete in order to be served. It seems ther is a requirement to fill in the form, but no requirement to use genuine details. I wonder how many fake details will be harvested by this useless waste of money. It would have been far simpler, and more accurate, if they had collected the credit card details at the time of payment. There are four entries -

- Today's date and time, but no mention of the length of stay.
- Full name of responsible person, but no details required for any other member of the party
- Contact telephone number, but no mention that it has to be your number.
- Total number of people in your group.

So what are they going to do with this load of useless rubbish. I don't know anybody who has been tested, or anybody who has been confirmed as having the virus. I believe that some reports indicate that as many as 80% of the UK population has some form of immunity to the Corona Virus family, but they don't seem to test for this, or to report any findings that don't support total annihilation unless we send loads of money to the Bill Gates eugenics programme.

[franky1]

1. you either need more friends.. or is proof that the infectee level is low and not near 'herd immunity'
the funny part is if it was at high herd immunity you would be saying lots of your friends have had it.

2. they dont harvest data. the forms stay with the restaurant and as long as no one was sick in the average 2hour period someone stays at a restaurant that day then the restaurant doesnt use the forms

meaning it will just get binned after a few weeks
only those that came were at he restaurant when an infectee was. would be contacted

repeat for emphasis
the forms are not passed onto the NHS service by default for everyone. they are kept by the restaurant and only used if your visit comes into the time slot of infectee that the restaurant finds out about. the other forms are binned after a few weeks

..
and its not 80% infected/immune
try learning math

[Gyfts]

I would have had more skepticism if they were using their credit card transactions to contact trace instead of having people voluntarily filling out the form themselves.

Takes 30 seconds, big deal.

[Jet Cash]

It is no longer voluntary in the UK. If you don't fill in the form, then you don't get served in the cafe. Of course you can walk around in the supermarket as much as you like without providing any details.

I guess that my main point is that the UK government is squandering money on this totally useless bit of fear mongering, and it is trying to look as if it cares, whilst it is cutting money on other essential medical services,  and on policing. It is also attempting to increase taxes to pay for its Mickey Mouse projects.

[BADecker]

The point isn't getting some info from you, whether the info is useless or not, whether it is a waste of money by the government or not.

It's like elementary school. The children are in school to learn. They learn different subjects. Among them are reading, writing and arithmetic. But the biggest thing they learn is to sit at a desk for hours in a day, when they would rather be out playing. Many kids wish they could be doing something useful, but they have to sit.

The biggest thing that is being taught by filling out the form is, divulge your info on forms. The next from will be a little more detailed, and the one after that, more detailed yet.

[UWotb_ruh]

If someone wants to enter fake details thats their choice.

If someone is high risk, they probably should enter their details honestly to stay informed.

The track and trace has already been used to alert people they've been in contact with someone with covid and closed establishments temporarily which means its working. Stopping the spread means people need to be honest and aware of whats going on around them. If one person enters their details, I'm sure they'd inform everyone they're with if they were alerted that they'd been near someone with covid. Personally I'm glad its been made compulsory as working in hospitality has been a pain for the past 2 months with people being difficult constantly.

If you tested positive would you inform the establishments you had visited recently so they could communicate this to others that had been in the establishment at the same time as you? If the answer to that is no, track and trace has only failed because of human selfishness.

To be honest, the spread of covid has been down to human selfishness. Lockdown was inefficient, eat out to help out has triggered a spike and local lockdowns hardly work because people can just leave to another area as soon as its announced. Police weren't given clear instructions on their powers so for the later part of lockdown couldn't even enforce it. People refused to wear masks (which literally stop you from spreading droplets of moisture aka how the virus is mostly transmitted) and spout nonsense about it being a hoax.

Track and trace is only money wasted if people make it that way. If people are honest and treat this pandemic more seriously than it actually is, it will never get that serious.

[Jet Cash]

Well I have been chatting to the staff this morning ( shock, horror, two metres, two metres, I hear you cry). They tell me that yesterday was memorable as they had many famous visitors, including Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, but no Margaret Thatcher ( yet).

I still don't see the point of it. We know that the Covid panicdemic (sic) is not as serious as many previous ones. 35 of them rank higher in the seriousness tables. Boris has just spent many £millions encouraging people to get back to pubs and restaurants, and now he is spending a few more £millions to see if he can shut them down again. Maybe his secret agenda is to force us all to use government run soup kitchens in the future.

They seem to be ramping up testing as well. I guess they have to get in quickly to detect the debris left by apoptosis before our bodies dispose of it.

[franky1]

now jetcash. i know your in fantasy land. but boris was busy in parliament yesterday and trump was in the west of america talking about forret fires. they were not in your local morrisons cafe

why are all of your posts filled with fantasy/crazy talk. ?
you pretend to be against liars and fantasists but you seem to be one of the most lying fantasists here. and this is a forum that includes badecker. so take that as an insult to compare you as more of a fantasist than him

[Juggy777]

Well I have been chatting to the staff this morning ( shock, horror, two metres, two metres, I hear you cry). They tell me that yesterday was memorable as they had many famous visitors, including Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, but no Margaret Thatcher ( yet).

I still don't see the point of it. We know that the Covid panicdemic (sic) is not as serious as many previous ones. 35 of them rank higher in the seriousness tables. Boris has just spent many £millions encouraging people to get back to pubs and restaurants, and now he is spending a few more £millions to see if he can shut them down again. Maybe his secret agenda is to force us all to use government run soup kitchens in the future.

They seem to be ramping up testing as well. I guess they have to get in quickly to detect the debris left by apoptosis before our bodies dispose of it.

now jetcash. i know your in fantasy land. but boris was busy in parliament yesterday and trump was in the west of america talking about forret fires. they were not in your local morrisons cafe

why are all of your posts filled with fantasy/crazy talk. ?
you pretend to be against liars and fantasists but you seem to be one of the most lying fantasists here. and this is a forum that includes badecker. so take that as an insult to compare you as more of a fantasist than him

@Jet Cash I’m sorry to say this but I feel that this lock down has made you delusional because those leaders couldn’t be at the cafe, and further @franky1 has correctly pointed out their locations. Also I can understand your need to downplay covid, because this allows you the freedom to roam outside, and have your daily cup of coffee. However it’s my kind request that you understand the gravity of this situation before it’s too late, and stop putting yourself and others around you at risk by downplaying effects of covid.

He downplayed covid effect results was catastrophic: https://www.complex.com/life/2020/09/trump-admitted-playing-down-coronavirus-unreleased-audio

Sources:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-03/coronavirus-sceptics-continue-to-downplay-covid19/12201344

https://behavioralscientist.org/why-are-people-ignoring-expert-warnings-psychological-reactance-coronavirus-covid-19/

[squatz1]

It is no longer voluntary in the UK. If you don't fill in the form, then you don't get served in the cafe. Of course you can walk around in the supermarket as much as you like without providing any details.

I guess that my main point is that the UK government is squandering money on this totally useless bit of fear mongering, and it is trying to look as if it cares, whilst it is cutting money on other essential medical services,  and on policing. It is also attempting to increase taxes to pay for its Mickey Mouse projects.

Isn't that voluntary though? If you choose not to do it, then you don't get served.

I would define NOT VOLUNTARY as something that is mandated by government / law to stop you from being served. Some businesses require you to wear certain types of attire or stuff along those lines if you want to eat there.

Not all businesses are mandated to do this, it's their choice as they want to avoid litigation.

I would have had more skepticism if they were using their credit card transactions to contact trace instead of having people voluntarily filling out the form themselves.

Takes 30 seconds, big deal.

+1 to that.

This isn't some crazy big brother conspiracy where every company is now forcing you to scan in or something along those lines. This is a way to protect companies from potential litigation.

[BADecker]

Seems that there is a legal start to the nullify the illegal pandemic activities of State governors. Of course, maybe the judge has his eye on the idea that people want to open up, and he can become president in a few years if he works it right.


'Unconstitutional!' Federal Court Judge Shreds Pennsylvania Covid Shutdown

A federal judge in Pennsylvania yesterday blew the top off of the massive authoritarian over-reach by governors throughout the country, ruling that Pennsylvania's governor and state health official violated the US Constitution in exercising what it claimed were "emergency powers" in response to the coronavirus outbreak. Will the judge's ruling begin to break down the wall of authoritarianism in the US? Also today, the state of Texas has employed shockingly inaccurate and shoddy testing and reporting methods, resulting in policy decisions being made without accurate information. As even the New York Times has noticed deep problems in Texas, state health authorities are rushing to clean up the mess they've made of things. With new and more accurate numbers showing far fewer infections, will the governor finally life his tyrannical restrictions on Texans?

'Unconstitutional!' Federal Court Judge Shreds Pennsylvania Covid Shutdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEAU9OxeaA

[squatz1]

Seems that there is a legal start to the nullify the illegal pandemic activities of State governors. Of course, maybe the judge has his eye on the idea that people want to open up, and he can become president in a few years if he works it right.


'Unconstitutional!' Federal Court Judge Shreds Pennsylvania Covid Shutdown

A federal judge in Pennsylvania yesterday blew the top off of the massive authoritarian over-reach by governors throughout the country, ruling that Pennsylvania's governor and state health official violated the US Constitution in exercising what it claimed were "emergency powers" in response to the coronavirus outbreak. Will the judge's ruling begin to break down the wall of authoritarianism in the US? Also today, the state of Texas has employed shockingly inaccurate and shoddy testing and reporting methods, resulting in policy decisions being made without accurate information. As even the New York Times has noticed deep problems in Texas, state health authorities are rushing to clean up the mess they've made of things. With new and more accurate numbers showing far fewer infections, will the governor finally life his tyrannical restrictions on Texans?

'Unconstitutional!' Federal Court Judge Shreds Pennsylvania Covid Shutdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEAU9OxeaA

While none of us (on here) like to see the overreach of government, I highly doubt that regular people are going to rally behind this cause. I'm all for stopping covid infections and trying to save peoples lives, but I do understand that government uses the excuse of 'saving lives' as there go to when it comes to taking away peoples rights.

They did it with 9/11, and I suppose it's still up for debate if these things that governors did will stay permanent. Bad precedent is set if this whole thing is used by governors to just shut down their economy whenever they want to for political purposes.

But yeah, here we are.

[samputin]

If someone wants to enter fake details thats their choice.

If someone is high risk, they probably should enter their details honestly to stay informed.

Well, it's really up to someone if he wants to give an honest detail or a fake one. But giving a fake detail is kinda selfish, don't you think? I mean, what if he is infected (just aysmptomatic, let's say) and went to an establishment with other people in it. What if he infects other people even if it's unintentional? How would the infector be found if all he gave was a fake detail? What if he infects more people?

Point is, giving small details about you honestly won't harm you. It might even save you and others from the grave danger of the virus. Just saying, tho.

[squatz1]

If someone wants to enter fake details thats their choice.

If someone is high risk, they probably should enter their details honestly to stay informed.

Well, it's really up to someone if he wants to give an honest detail or a fake one. But giving a fake detail is kinda selfish, don't you think? I mean, what if he is infected (just aysmptomatic, let's say) and went to an establishment with other people in it. What if he infects other people even if it's unintentional? How would the infector be found if all he gave was a fake detail? What if he infects more people?

Point is, giving small details about you honestly won't harm you. It might even save you and others from the grave danger of the virus. Just saying, tho.

I mean there really is no reason to provide fake details, unless you're someone that cares about privacy and you think that someone is out to get you. Which I mean, kinda fair I guess. if you really do care about privacy and someone tells you to fill out a form to eat, just go home and make some food for yourself -- or go somewhere else.

But really if you're fully health the list is supposed to help you. As people at the store / public health officials, can reachout to you and say you may have been in contact with someone who has COVID -- which allows for you to get tested and keep people out of harms way.

[UWotb_ruh]

If someone wants to enter fake details thats their choice.

If someone is high risk, they probably should enter their details honestly to stay informed.

Well, it's really up to someone if he wants to give an honest detail or a fake one. But giving a fake detail is kinda selfish, don't you think? I mean, what if he is infected (just aysmptomatic, let's say) and went to an establishment with other people in it. What if he infects other people even if it's unintentional? How would the infector be found if all he gave was a fake detail? What if he infects more people?

Point is, giving small details about you honestly won't harm you. It might even save you and others from the grave danger of the virus. Just saying, tho.

I mean if someone gives fake details, they're selfish pricks undeniably. But we can't stop people from doing it really. I only said 'its their choice' coz this guy seems like the kind of guy that would do exactly that.

I'm not saying its a good thing, quite the opposite really. I think people should be giving genuine details but at work when I ask people for track and trace details you'd be shocked at how many people shout at me for it. No one wants to give their details because they think they're special enough for the government to care where they've gone for lunch instead of realising theres literally a whole pandemic and their details are important to informing people of if they're at risk or not. I think track and trace becoming mandatory is a good thing, if people can't give details honestly then turn around and say track and trace is a waste of money... well that speaks volumes itself really.

This whole pandemic I've been saying its only due to human selfishness its got this bad.

[Jet Cash]

The whole Corona virus panicdemic (sic) is really a load of banker's bollocks. Track and trace is a total waste of taxpayers' money, and it shouldn't be supported. We don't fill in the forms because there have been cases of people harvesting the phone numbers, and propositioning  the form provider. I don't trust the government either, I get loads of messages from the so-called health service, and they tell me that I am in a high risk category. In fact the reverse is true, as I haven't had any vaccinations or pharmaceuticals for around 60 years, and I've survived 4 pandemics with little more than a few sniffles.

It really is time that people did a bit of research, and stopped pushing the bankers' agenda that is supported by the governments. It is selfish of you to leech off the taxpayers because you can't be bothered to find out the real facts, and take control of your health. Stuffing poison pills down your throat isn't an alternative to basic natural health care, even if the pills do come from Bill Gates and the rest of his coven.

Anyway, I have had a change of tack. I am now providing my correct details to see if they are abused.

[Cnut237]

I get loads of messages from the so-called health service, and they tell me that I am in a high risk category. In fact the reverse is true, as I haven't had any vaccinations or pharmaceuticals for around 60 years, and I've survived 4 pandemics with little more than a few sniffles.

By necessity it's a generalised approach, though. They are contacting you because you are in a high-risk category, not because you as an individual are at high-risk. They don't have the time or money (or indeed the competence) to target individuals. Better that they contact more people than they need to, rather than the opposite.

cases of people harvesting the phone numbers [...] I am now providing my correct details to see if they are abused.

TBH I'd be surprised if they didn't harvest the phone numbers and abuse their position of trust. That's pretty much default behaviour for the government, and the friends to whom they grant lucrative contracts without even going through the motions of putting them out for tender.

[Jet Cash]

Better that they contact more people than they need to, rather than the opposite.

It would be better if they left them alone unless they need help. The primary reason that older people are at risk over their health is because the Pharma sales force ( doctors ) keep persuading them to accept damaging vaccines, and poisonous drugs that mess up their bodies. Age is not a disease, but it is becoming a medically created sickness.

[Cnut237]

The primary reason that older people are at risk over their health is because the Pharma sales force ( doctors ) keep persuading them to accept damaging vaccines, and poisonous drugs that mess up their bodies.

I'll concede that there is certainly an element of this, but doctors do also provide vital and live-saving drugs. I think this outweighs the unnecessary sales, although I'd imagine it's difficult to acquire reliable data on this.

Age is not a disease, but it is becoming a medically created sickness.

Age is cumulative cell division errors. It kind of is a disease in the sense that most early-onset diseases are removed from the gene-pool through natural selection (people succumb prior to reaching the age where they can create their own children), whereas late-onset diseases are not selected against. But I appreciate that 'age' by itself - without any of the health conditions that are more likely to occur in older age - is certainly not a thing that needs to be treated, and particularly not through unnecessary drugs.

[BADecker]

^^^ But, why is it that no researcher has come up with proper isolation of the Covid virus? Until they do this, the whole thing is a sham scam.