Appeal the ban "CoinIdol News" account

[suchmoon]

We do not post advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.), and the website mentioned here is another website.  

What do you think "etc" means?

A little bit strange to hear about advertising from people who follow each of their post with banners...

You have an ad in your sig too. That's perfectly acceptable. And there is an option for users to turn those ads off. However advertising inside posts is not allowed.

So any suggestions about the content or not?

The suggestions are very clear but you just don't want to hear them. Re-posting news from your site is the same as promoting your site if you don't engage in any kind of real discussion. The press board is not the right place to promote your site. Perhaps you can promote your site in the Marketplace/Services... consult with moderators what's the best option here. Have one thread for your site. Feel free to participate in other topics and carry your signature that promotes your site and/or your thread. Don't shill your site in the contents of your posts.

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[Halab]

So any suggestions about the content or not?

Or you can buy an ad space : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274966.msg55171319#msg55171319. In terms of exposure, it can't be better, but it's not free.
Or, why not, organize a signature campaign, but again it's not free.*
But there will be no problem with the reputation of your site.

Edit :
* Or organize an art contest like here

[DooMAD]

So any suggestions about the content or not?

Bottom line, participate in genuine discussion with other users.  That's how forums work.  I can't help but notice you're currently engaged with us right now having a real conversation.  You aren't copying and pasting your replies to this topic from another source, so you're clearly capable of having a conversation.  Why can't you be willing to do the same for the topics you post articles about?  Forget what I said about the quality of your articles, that's beside the point.  The real issue is that if any user is just copying content from another site and pasting it here on the forum with no unique thoughts of their own, that user will eventually find themselves banned. 

Make good quality ORIGINAL posts.  Easy.  Job done. 

[Nina Lyon]

Still looks like a double standard.

I see post with no "personal opinion" from the author in the Press section just a copy from the lead of the original publication. And you leave it. But you hunt on me and my personal years old replies.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255038.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275698.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275891.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238579.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5232044.0

[Nina Lyon]

You have an ad in your sig too.

With no active link, just a sign so you can know who I am.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I just reported 69 shillings of OP, as she followed the same path as CoinIdol News. From these 69 reports, 21 were shilling topics which were locked by the moderator. The other 48 were simple shilling posts, which were deleted. As a result of having less topics, OP turned back to Newbie rank, while she was a Member (or Jr. Member) before I made these reports (I don't remember exactly, but I believe she had the Member rank though).

Seeing now that her posts were also deleted, I hope she understands once and for all to stop these spams and shillings.

Still looks like a double standard.

I see post with no "personal opinion" from the author in the Press section just a copy from the lead of the original publication. And you leave it. But you hunt on me and my personal years old replies.

I was the hunter.

And I'm hunting any spammer / shiller. It is hard to find them all, but we, the spam guards are doing our best to keep the forum clean. Some are missed at a moment, but found later (as it happened to your posts, for example). But there is no double standard. It's just there are not enough reporters to properly compete with all the spammers. Besides, there are not enough moderators to analyze all the reports. I, for example, have 1055 unhandled reports, which will never be analyzed as they were made more than a month ago and the mods can;t see them anymore.

What I want to say is it's just a matter of time until other spammers are reported as well. No double standards, don't worry

[Nina Lyon]

I was the hunter.

Many years old publications and comments with reports on scam for example?  
This is not moderation, this looks personal. Never had anything like this for my entire time writing for crypto community on various websited for so many years. Very strange and it is a double standard.

[hilariousetc]

Still looks like a double standard.

I see post with no "personal opinion" from the author in the Press section just a copy from the lead of the original publication. And you leave it. But you hunt on me and my personal years old replies.

You don't have to post a personal opinion. That's not the forum rules just a user suggestion as a way to appear less spammy than just mass hit and runs but it still shouldn't matter. The current rule of the Press board is that it's for notable press mentions. CoinIdol isn't 'notable' in my opinion. Mods usually only go on what is reported so if someone reports your posts then they're likely to be acted upon. If you want clarification you should contact theymos but personally I think that board should be locked now as it's served its purpose or at the very least we should state that crypto based news outlets don't fall under the definition of notable and are therefore not allowed.

[DooMAD]

You don't have to post a personal opinion. That's not the forum rules just a user suggestion as a way to appear less spammy than just mass hit and runs but it still shouldn't matter. The current rule of the Press board is that it's for notable press mentions. CoinIdol isn't 'notable' in my opinion. Mods usually only go on what is reported so if someone reports your posts then they're likely to be acted upon. If you want clarification you should contact theymos but personally I think that board should be locked now as it's served its purpose or at the very least we should state that crypto based news outlets don't fall under the definition of notable and are therefore not allowed.

I think we should try both before we give up on the board entirely:

I think it would help if the rules were clearer.  I propose the following additions to the current rules:

1.  Official news agencies only.  No blogs.  No "cryptomedia" sites.

2.  Don't just post the article.  Include some of your own thoughts and insights about the article and/or the impact the news will have.  This will minimise the potential for low-quality posters to abuse it.

Notability and copy/paste are both problems in their own right.  I don't see how we can ignore one and not the other.

Smaller media sites have an obvious interest in generating traffic for themselves, so we need the notability criteria to combat that.

Forum users who can simply copy and paste some text and attribute a source so it's not classed as plagiarism have an easy exploit to make posts with basically zero effort.  We then end up with abandoned topics where no one actually has any interest in talking about the news, because no one even attempted to start a discussion.

[NotATether]

So any suggestions about the content or not?

Yeah, instead of posting previews of your CoinIdol pages on the press board, you should be posting explanations and discussions about the contents of your pages (not a copy-paste of the whole article), preferably without pictures and hashtags. Don't use a bot for this and hire a real person to represent your site on bitcointalk and make sure that person interacts with the commentators on his/her threads.

Links to sources on your own site are OK as long as there is also substantial discussion in the post, i.e. don't write this:

<some title here>

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. View more at coinidol.com

[hilariousetc]

You don't have to post a personal opinion. That's not the forum rules just a user suggestion as a way to appear less spammy than just mass hit and runs but it still shouldn't matter. The current rule of the Press board is that it's for notable press mentions. CoinIdol isn't 'notable' in my opinion. Mods usually only go on what is reported so if someone reports your posts then they're likely to be acted upon. If you want clarification you should contact theymos but personally I think that board should be locked now as it's served its purpose or at the very least we should state that crypto based news outlets don't fall under the definition of notable and are therefore not allowed.

I think we should try both before we give up on the board entirely:

I think it would help if the rules were clearer.  I propose the following additions to the current rules:

1.  Official news agencies only.  No blogs.  No "cryptomedia" sites.

2.  Don't just post the article.  Include some of your own thoughts and insights about the article and/or the impact the news will have.  This will minimise the potential for low-quality posters to abuse it.

Notability and copy/paste are both problems in their own right.  I don't see how we can ignore one and not the other.

Smaller media sites have an obvious interest in generating traffic for themselves, so we need the notability criteria to combat that.

Forum users who can simply copy and paste some text and attribute a source so it's not classed as plagiarism have an easy exploit to make posts with basically zero effort.  We then end up with abandoned topics where no one actually has any interest in talking about the news, because no one even attempted to start a discussion.

Well I'm up for trying it but to be honest I think that board would be pretty dead without all the blogspam so it might as well be locked/archived. How many threads are on the first page or two that are from notable sources? I just checked the first ten threads on there and all but two were from crypto-based sites and the other ones were not from sites I'd call notable sources.

[suchmoon]

Well I'm up for trying it but to be honest I think that board would be pretty dead without all the blogspam so it might as well be locked/archived. How many threads are on the first page or two that are from notable sources? I just checked the first ten threads on there and all but two were from crypto-based sites and the other ones were not from sites I'd call notable sources.

Isn't that the point... if you remove the spam then more threads on the front page will be from notable sources.

Locking the board would be giving in to spammers.

[hilariousetc]

Well I'm up for trying it but to be honest I think that board would be pretty dead without all the blogspam so it might as well be locked/archived. How many threads are on the first page or two that are from notable sources? I just checked the first ten threads on there and all but two were from crypto-based sites and the other ones were not from sites I'd call notable sources.

Isn't that the point... if you remove the spam then more threads on the front page will be from notable sources.

Locking the board would be giving in to spammers.

Not really. The board has served its purpose long ago. It was created when any press article was exciting or indeed notable. Now nobody gives a shit what the mainstream media has to say. Any decent article can be posted in the main board if its worthy of discussion. Besides, there are plenty of measures that have been implemented because of spammers: Activity, merit, signature restrictions, PM restrictions, certain boards not counting towards activity/post count, newbies can't post images etc so if this is 'caving in' then so are all those.

[Nina Lyon]

I just checked the first ten threads on there and all but two were from crypto-based sites and the other ones were not from sites I'd call notable sources.

If you check page by page back for years you will see the same pattern from so many users. That's what I'm talking about and asking if that's a double standard - deleting all CI publications, and mine. Hunting as sports.

Years ago when CD and CT were just a newborn sites (and now too) they did the same. I do remember it.

 

But still, I understand your complaints now, thank you. And I will work on all of what you said. Just to explain you - it was not an intention to make any super advertising but to share news. If that offended someone in the community - I'm sorry. I and my colleagues work for the crypto community and not crypto news manipulations and monopoly.

[IconFirm]

Now the temp ban is over the account has started spamming the press section again - this MUST deserve a perma ban?

[GazetaBitcoin]

Now the temp ban is over the account has started spamming the press section again - this MUST deserve a perma ban?

Loooool well this truly means to have some guts! I bow down and take my hat off in front of such courage I wonder how Nina Lyon will explain that. How will explain that CoinIdol News is not a bot but a human being.

I believe now things are clear for everybody: that account is indeed a bot, which tried all the time to keep posting, but it was unable to. And in the very second when it was able to post again (when the temp-ban expired), it did what its code told it to do: to keep spamming the Press board.

[LeGaulois]

Can't believe they're back

It doesn't change. They still don't understand how things work with the press board. So I'm telling them: Stop polluting the web
When people visit your website, even coronavirus is asking for a mask.

Moderators should start to think about a perma ban. You can't give a temp every time, when people don't want to understand, it's time for another level

[o_e_l_e_o]

Can't believe they're back

Stuff like this is the reason I gave up on reporting spam and only report things like malware and illegal activities now. Why bother when we refuse to take action against even the worst of the worst spammers?

[ABCbits]

Can't believe they're back

I just visited Press board and found out they're back again[1] after they made last post on "2021-10-25"[2]. As usual their post include some hashtag and big image which IMO isn't really helpful/relevant with the news.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5418506.0
[2] https://ninjastic.space/post/58264837

[LeGaulois]

 Jesus Christ!
I thought we would never see them again, but nope, here we go again.

And with the same behavior. The post that was done on October 27 has nothing to do with the Press board. Such topics should be on the Speculation board. CoinIdiot News doesn't want to understand how we use the forum. You can say this or that, but his reply seems to be "I don't care"

Personally, I hate when people post images with the Press, it's useless 99% of the time. I don't bother to read the text usually, especially if people have the tendency to just copy past a paragraph and don't add an opinion, or question, or open a debate...
These are usually just people interested in posting something. They have no desire to discuss this with the members.