Reduced forum activity

[TGD]

less bounties for the 3rd world country lads + abusive dt members

This is the same reason why I think forum decrease in activity and also when merit system introduced. Let's admit that 30% to 40% of the activity of the forum during 2015 to 2017 are from the bounty hunter and most of them are probably multiple account. Accounts farming business too are already stop operation due to the merit system. I believe that the current volume of forum activity is the real and organic number.

[mole0815]

I allow to quote myself:

Since the issue has been around for only a short time I will quote my answer from the other thread here:

Meanwhile there are some ideas and therefore some threads about this topic.
Here is an overview with a few additional approaches:

Bitcointalk Mobile Friendly App for Android
Mobile Friendly Bitcointalk
This is how bitcointalk.org looks like on a mobile phone

With epochtalk everything will be better anyway

Maybe this will help you a little bit

What comes to my mind about this thread is not the missing mobile solution. First of all there are alternatives (see above) and secondly it's rather due to the general situation in the crypto environment. Many old users have been scared away (or are already rich  ). Many new users are not coming because there is no hype in sight. This in combination with the worldwide tense situation (thanks to Corona) is in my opinion the reason for the lull. The times are getting better again... and Epochtalk will also help to generate more traffic

//edit/addition: If the traffic is reduced by prevented account farming and the quality of the posts increases, this is a double advantage.

[KaneVWE]

But signatures are a problem, why do i need to go to settings and block the signatures or the user because their signature is spamming and annoying?
What if i am accessing the forum without login in?

There is no doubt that you are completely obsessed with the idea that signatures are the reason why someone wants or does not want to be on this forum - so I can also ask you how you deal with ads on television, radio, internet or billboards? There are others who think that signatures should be completely banned - but I don't see how that would improve the activity of the forum, unless you think that in that case thousands of people from other social platforms would suddenly start using this forum?

Also i notice that some treads there is a warning saying that the creator of the post is a scammer, i never seen that on Discord or Telegram.
Take a look at ONION tread, there is a big warning, but there is no warning on their Telegram.

First you need to get acquainted with all the possibilities and rules of the forum, and then you will learn that this forum has its own ways to combat scammers, and one of them is to create just such warnings - which of course has nothing to do with other social networks or forums where someone advertises in any way.

Well

1. Most people join here to make money and sigs were or are part of that. I mean you're wearing chipmixer right? Of course any talk of removing banners is a conflict of interest for you and others currently on the top earning sigs.
2. Those warnings at the top of threads are above some of the most valuable threads on this forum where there is zero evidence of any financially motivated wrongdoing at all on that members post history.
So that does not help matters.


Either way my posts on this thread are a comprehensive guide to where to go from here.
The problem is it doesn't suit DT members to make the optimal changes so they just ignore them and pretend not to understand those are the best suggestions and actions to take to increase volume or make the board open to massive increase in volume the next time the gold rush alarm goes off in the media.

DT members generally want to retain the systems that have helped kill bitcointalk but which have allowed them to cream off the best rev streams,  but want the traffic back to help advertise and keep the board running,  but dont want them to make any money or be competition for their rev streams.


Won't happen. If there is no perceived gold rush for them (noobs on general) then they will never come back.

It's like saying there's lottery running but only the tickets we purchase have a chance of winning anything worth having. Even then the noobs do the slightest thing we dont like or criticise us and their chance to win next to nothing is perm revoked by us.

Sorry people won't play under those conditions.

Almost like advertising a race over 500miles were some start a 499miles completed.

Or hey want to play monopoly once we own all the property and have all the land and control the bank.
I also believe this realization is a prime motivator for a lot of those trying to cheat to get ahead or catch up.

The worst thing theymos did was create systems where a tiny % of members controlled other members ability to earn based on their subjective views and own personal selfish gain. It was completely stupid and has totally backfired.  I mean how can it be difficult to understand that will create a conflict of interest when there is a finite supply of rev here. The fact those are generally those that have taken over the best rev streams whilst most have no achievements here of any real note and can't even produce examples of original thought provoking posts that really made any difference here.

Remove the massive control and advantage of a tiny proportion of members over all other members or the board is going to just drift down perm.  Even another ATH will not bring activity like the last or maybe nowhere near it as the board is now.

[bitcoinsvrocks]

I find this comical,
A few years ago a couple of BTC developers wanted to increase the block size and other features on the BTC code to make BTC better.
I am new here, well not that new, i had an account long time ago and i was inactive during the time all this forks occur, 2017-2019, the rest of the story we all know, the majority of BTC developers didn't agree to those changes, so those developers move on with the forks.

Something similar is happening right now, old members of this forum are worried because Bitcointalk is having less and less activity and they will not be able to earn money from their signatures, sooner or later this forum it will die if something doesn't change, so they post in this tread and they propose the most ideotic ideas to bring to life the forum like banning users from 3rd world countries, and then someone (me) tell you that the signatures and you (those with signatures) say no
 because this will affect you economically. You are killing the forum for your profit. But this is not a coin and nobody will fork it, there are already alternatives out there.


So what is the point on creating post like this one if the post dosn't serve the purpose on finding a solution to the problem?
and that line above is the whole point that the signatures are the problem because they affect me directly and why users will continue to leave this forum, because nobody listen to them, seems like just a little group have control over everybody else.

[Lucius]

Something similar is happening right now, old members of this forum are worried because Bitcointalk is having less and less activity and they will not be able to earn money from their signatures, sooner or later this forum it will die if something doesn't change, so they post in this tread and they propose the most ideotic ideas to bring to life the forum like banning users from 3rd world countries, and then someone (me) tell you that the signatures and you (those with signatures) say no
 because this will affect you economically. You are killing the forum for your profit. But this is not a coin and nobody will fork it, there are already alternatives out there.

Your conclusions are ridiculous to say at least, because this thread was opened by a member who doesn’t even participate in a paid signature campaign. Unlike you and others like you who show up from time to time, some have been on this forum for years regardless of whether someone paid them for it or not. Instead of trying to constructively answer the questions I asked you in the previous post, you draw meaningless parallels between some coin forks and the fact that some members are afraid that they will lose something because the activity has decreased.

Being in a paid signature campaign has always been a privilege for those who have in any way proved valuable to the forum - so let me conclude that your concern for the future of the forum is not real, you are just envious that you are not in a position to get some BTC in the same way.

[KaneVWE]

Something similar is happening right now, old members of this forum are worried because Bitcointalk is having less and less activity and they will not be able to earn money from their signatures, sooner or later this forum it will die if something doesn't change, so they post in this tread and they propose the most ideotic ideas to bring to life the forum like banning users from 3rd world countries, and then someone (me) tell you that the signatures and you (those with signatures) say no
 because this will affect you economically. You are killing the forum for your profit. But this is not a coin and nobody will fork it, there are already alternatives out there.

Your conclusions are ridiculous to say at least, because this thread was opened by a member who doesn’t even participate in a paid signature campaign. Unlike you and others like you who show up from time to time, some have been on this forum for years regardless of whether someone paid them for it or not. Instead of trying to constructively answer the questions I asked you in the previous post, you draw meaningless parallels between some coin forks and the fact that some members are afraid that they will lose something because the activity has decreased.

Being in a paid signature campaign has always been a privilege for those who have in any way proved valuable to the forum - so let me conclude that your concern for the future of the forum is not real, you are just envious that you are not in a position to get some BTC in the same way.

1. Provide conclusive proof jetcash does not have an alt that is on a highly paid sig? ( a petty point because it is irrelevant since most defending the sigs here and the route to the sigs is not just jetcash. )
2. You would be pushing to retain the status quo because you're a prime beneficiary of it ? Come on?
3. Lol at proved valuable to the forum? Many chipmixer and highly paid sig spammers on DT1 are proven scammers or scammer protectors. Also many have achieved nothing of note and can't even provide any examples of original thought provoking posts that had  any real lasting impact here.

You are just making a lot of bogus statements that will fall apart under scrutiny. There is no meritocracy here so stop pretending there is  

I see you didnt respond to my points I made above? Why? Because that leads to the truth.
Nobody here likes the truth when it threatens the status quo they control and benefit from immensely.

Keep it as it is and watch. You will never see and influx and energy of the last bull ever again. It will slowly just become DT1 there pals and some alt projects that have nowhere else to go.  Then when the sponsors dry up most of DT1 will be gone.

You've not been here very long yourself. Neither have a lot of DT1. Most are bootlicking noobs. Allowed into maintain the status quo they know they have to support to get some crumbs.

I'm not having a personal go at you since I dont know who you are. However you seem to either be very mislead or trying to mislead others. There is no meritocracy hear. The systems are broken. 

[Jet Cash]

I get so tired of all the crap about people only being here for the signature earnings. For me the social interaction, educational discussions and threads, and the possibility of making business contacts are more important. I'm a domainer, so I use my signature sometimes to help with some project of mine - hence the stuff about Rag St. It would be a loss to me if I could use my signature space for various things as the mood takes me, I don't care if some helpful member uses his sig to earn a bit as a result of making helpful posts, but I do find it annoying when somebody with a minimal command of English makes meaningless posts, in an attempt to gain rank. They then whinge about everybody having the right to ponce off the forum to earn a few pence.

Maybe signatures should be banned for all those below full member level.

[KaneVWE]

I get so tired of all the crap about people only being here for the signature earnings. For me the social interaction, educational discussions and threads, and the possibility of making business contacts are more important. I'm a domainer, so I use my signature sometimes to help with some project of mine - hence the stuff about Rag St. It would be a loss to me if I could use my signature space for various things as the mood takes me, I don't care if some helpful member uses his sig to earn a bit as a result of making helpful posts, but I do find it annoying when somebody with a minimal command of English makes meaningless posts, in an attempt to gain rank. They then whinge about everybody having the right to ponce off the forum to earn a few pence.

Maybe signatures should be banned for all those below full member level.

I can't work out if you are stupid and well intentioned or a serious bad guy here.

As if most people here are not here to make money? Where do you get off with these stupid statements.
That is a given. Why are many of DT1 making sure they are on the highest paying sig campaign on the forum?

Not to mention everyone else except those already wealthy pushing to get every bit of rev they can via sigs, escrowing, lending at exorbitant rates, trading , scamming, account peddling.

Be sensible ffs.

The final suggestion would kill the forum of even more quickly.
I suggest you read my posts, understand them and learn something.

Even in a true meritocracy you dont want to cut off the energy of the incapable posters if you want to pump life and volume into the board. Spammers here must be controlled so they spam social media and  elsewhere and bring traffic and investment here.

These threads are a typical example of a circle of stupidity and stubbornness  avoiding answers or ideas they reject or ignore due to the the origin. That's just silly. Grow up. You're 84 right?  I can teach an old dog new tricks.
Be objective.

[Jet Cash]

I'm intelligent enough to realise that making a full quote immmediately after a post .would make me look stupid
I'm also intelligent enough to put you on ignore

[bitcoinsvrocks]

I been trying to say like five times now that the signatures are a problem because they generate spam.
Spam reduces forum activity.
Because spam is annoying.

Nobody understand it, so i been trying to explain the same thing with other words, not trying to push my agenda to ban signatures, just pointing out that they are annoying.  and i been called names and that i should disable signatures and that i should do other thing to bypass the spam.


I also pointed out that this conversation is pointless because most of the members are worried because the reduced activity in the forum and they are of course worried because they will lose their income once this forum dies.

I also pointed out that those members who are running the spam signature are slowly killing the forum so why they complain? as an example i give you the Easter Island, inhabitants of those islands cut all the trees to move the head stones, they cut all the trees of the island so the population declined and collapsed, so imagine talking with an Easter Island resident and he is telling you how he can make the Island better, and you tell him that maybe he should not cut all the trees, and he tell you, yes but we need to move those head stones, and they keep telling you, how we make the island better? and you say again, don't cut the trees, and then the loop never ends, well, that is you with your signature.

Because signatures are not like TV or Radio ads, Bitcointalk signatures are annoying because there are only a few running and they are all the same, like in this tread, how many Chipmixer signatures are?

[KaneVWE]

I'm intelligent enough to realise that making a full quote immmediately after a post .would make me look stupid
I'm also intelligent enough to put you on ignore

Only in the diseased mind of an 84 year old sitting there with his happy meal to obtain some internet access.

Now be sensible

Tackle my points or accept these are the truths you seek.
If you can refute conclusively those points I will ask MD to lower the requirement from happy meal to small fries for your free wifi.

Ignore on meta aka I am scared of the truths you present that reveal my posts as downright silly.

Can you seriously find a fault with my suggestions.
Yes or no. If so present your case.

Are you interested in growing the activity of the forum or just want to play at making silly threads that will achieve nothing?

Some old dogs like to learn new tricks. Come on jetcash expand your horizons. Stick with me and you'll be dining on big macs and large fries even a choc shake now and then?

Which of my points were you intelligent enough to pretend to ignore?

[Jet Cash]

Well "Very Well Endowed" seems to have killed this thread.

I don;t know why people stay and continue to post if they think the forum is so bad. If a forum starts to have no value for me, then I just move on.  Bitcoin Talk seems to be changing, but it still has some great members contributing, and I am pleased to have access to their knowledge and opinions. The world of crypto is changing and expanding quite rapidly at the moment. If you aren't taking advantage of it, then you are missing out on a life changing opportunity. Discussion in this forum will help all of us establish ourselves in the new world that is emerging.

[mindrust]

I been trying to say like five times now that the signatures are a problem because they generate spam.
Spam reduces forum activity.
Because spam is annoying.

Nobody would post here other than maybe 5 or 10 people if there were no signatures.

Signatures brought life to this forum.

Dealing with spam is the mods job. If mods delete every shit-post there is and ban whoever keeps posting shit, it would be a self-correcting problem.

tldr;

signatures are good
spam is bad

signatures bring spam but;

sigCamp != spam when mods delete spam.

forum needs more signature camps to revive itself.

[KaneVWE]

Well "Very Well Endowed" seems to have killed this thread.

I don;t know why people stay and continue to post if they think the forum is so bad. If a forum starts to have no value for me, then I just move on.  Bitcoin Talk seems to be changing, but it still has some great members contributing, and I am pleased to have access to their knowledge and opinions. The world of crypto is changing and expanding quite rapidly at the moment. If you aren't taking advantage of it, then you are missing out on a life changing opportunity. Discussion in this forum will help all of us establish ourselves in the new world that is emerging.

Very Well Endowed bestowed the only real life, light and value upon your groping in the dark thread.
You don't want to accept those ideas as valuable because of the origin.
Grow up at 84 years old and stop crying when people demonstrate your ideas are not especially useful and gift you some that may be.
Accept that at 84 if you've not made it then there is probably a good reason for that.

Now again, demonstrate why my suggestions are " killing your thread " and not actually providing much needed value.
That is a direct challenge. Of course you will run away from that.
If you were less hostile and not such a cry baby then I wouldn't need to be so critical.

[Jet Cash]

So why did you join? Oh wait! You are probably an alt, and that leads us to another question.

Why do so many new alts start with an ICO? ICO = Initial Crap Offering.

[shield132]

We're certainly very far from the 2017 levels, there's probably fewer bounties and stuff now too to keep people here.

There are more than enough bounties there but they are not enough worthy to join. Very few bounties hit listing nowadays and even if they get listed, the payment is too low. This has been the regular scenerio of bounty since late 2018 which can be a reason of getting activity reduced.
Regarding quality, I think very few people are here with the motivation of learning about bitcoin, crypto, building business on crypto etc. Most people are motivated with the financial gain. That's why there is lack if quality discussion.

Most people are motivated with financial gains because this forum gives you a possibility of that and there are a lot of people from poor countries and find bitcointalk as a great way of earning money, you post from home, manage your time and get money. We can't blame them because forum gives them this possibility and it's a part of freedom too.
 
There is reduces forum activity because it's not 2017 when mining still was a new thing for people and almost everyone was looking for asic miners, GPUs and so on. Also 2017 was the time when bitcoin had unbelievable rise in price and in overall, 2017 was the best and peak time of bitcoin. A lot of things have happened after that like implementation of KYC documents, mining turned into commercial business (check shady behaviors of Bitmain), media doesn't talk about bitcoin and crypto as it was talking in past, a lot of people bought bitcoin during it's peak price and lost a lot of money and lost hope in it. There are still many things to write but I personally really miss 2017 year, it was the greatest time.