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This thread is for anyone, new or old to BitcoinTalk, that is interested in buying or selling bitcoin collectibles, and the unwritten rules of how to go about doing so.

This post will be updated continuously and compiled with suggestions from members who respond to this thread.  Smiley

Please post any info that you think should be added.... Cheesy



Edit 5/12/21 PLEASE READ: As Bitcoin and crypto continue to soar, so do the number of scammers as well as the reward for them to do so. This allows scammers to put forth more effort and sophistication into taking your bitcoin. Recently there have been numerous attempts across all social media platforms messaging unsuspecting victims posing as forum members. Getting scammed can happen to the best of us (and it has) so please stay vigilante. NO FORUM MEMBERS HERE WILL MESSAGE YOU ON ANY OTHER PLATFORM, IF THEY DO THEY ARE SCAMMERS. Here is a thread on what to look for and how to avoid being scammed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5322537.msg56521101#msg56521101




This is a work in progress.

SELLING

1. In the subject line of your post please label, in brackets, what type of sale you are conducting. [AUCTION], [SALE], [RAFFLE], [WTS], [WTT].  (WTS = Want to Sell) (WTT = Want to Trade)

2. Post a picture of the item(s) you want to sell, along with your username and date/Block height next to the item. IF YOU ARE SELLING VIA DMS ONLY AND NOT A PUBLIC SALE OR AUCTION THEN MAKE SURE THE PICTURE CONTAINS BOTH YOUR NAME AND THE SELLERS NAME ALONG WITH THE DATE AND/OR CURRENT BLOCK HEIGHT. This helps to verify you actually have the item you want to sell. If you are new to the forum, post the picture at https://talkimg.com/or imgbb.com and provide a link or use BBCode to post.  Don't worry if your picture does not show up in the post. Someone with a rank higher than 'newbie' will likely add it to the thread in the following posts for you.

3. Select an end time for the auction, including timezone. This should go without saying, but changing the ending time after the auction has started is a cardinal sin. Adding a countdown timer is always appreciated. If the countdown timer fails to give the proper time for any reason, then the stated time will be used for the auction end time. Countdown timer can be found here...https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/create

4. List your price or starting bid in BTC, as well as the MINIMUM bidding increment.

5. List a payment address.  

6. Is shipping included? If not, how much extra is it? What country/region of the world is your item shipping from? (this helps buyers quickly determine whether or not they would like to bid/buy)

7. Allow buyers to utilize escrow service. This especially goes for new accounts. See below for common escrow procedures.

8. If you are selling multiple lots in the same auction please specify in the sniping rules if all lots are extended with any bid or not. (To make life easier for bidders to follow the action,  it's best to extend all lots after each bid)


NOTE: Considering this is a dedicated section for collectible items, hosting auctions on such items here will make everything more accessible. Posting them in Auctions board -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=73. is entirely optional. The OP and posts within the topic in that section cannot be modified or deleted


BUYING/BIDDING

1. Please keep posts limited to bids or questions regarding the item for sale.

2. If there are multiple lots for sale please specify which lot you are bidding on, followed by your bid.
ex: Lot 1 @ 0.02 BTC

3. To avoid confusion, please post an exact bid. Posting an increment to someone's previous post, especially without quoting that bid, can lead to unnecessary problems.

4. Please do not edit your bids once they are posted. Instead, post again and state the issue. The Auctions board by default does not allow for edits, but being able to host auctions here in the collectibles section is convenient. Lets try and keep it that way. Thank you!


ESCROW

Ok, so you just won your first auction. Now what? Do you send pmt to the seller in the hopes that they ship your item? No. Just utilize a trusted escrow member. Here are two recommended bitcointalk escrow service threads: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0 & here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

1. Inform the seller that you would like to use an escrow service.
2. The seller and yourself will contact the escrow and let them know you would both like to utilize escrow.
3. Escrow member sends a group pm stating the terms and payment address
4. The buyer sends winning auction bid to the escrow plus any fees
5. The seller ships item to escrow
6. Upon arrival to escrow, the funds get released to the seller and item is reshipped to buyer.

SNIPING

- Sniping rules can sometimes get confusing, especially if there are multiple lots in the same auction. (as we saw with the Gold Halving Coldkeys auction)

example: Any bid made within the last 10 minutes of the auction ending will extend the auction by another 10 minutes.

What does this mean exactly? What if there are 5 bids placed within the last 10 minutes of the auction? Does that mean there are 50 minutes added to the end of the auction?

It is much easier to follow an auction as a bidder knowing you have 10 minutes from the last bidder and the clock restarts with every bid. Feel free to copy and paste. Maybe eventually we can all just post "10 minute standard sniping rule" in our auctions and understand exactly what it means...

1. 10 minute standard sniping rule - Any bid made within the last 10 minutes of the auction, will restart a 10 minute clock for each bid thereafter. Meaning if the auction ends at 7pm and a bid is made at 6:51, the new ending time is now 7:01. If a following bid is then made at 6:55, the new ending time will be 7:05. This will continue until 10 minutes have elapsed from the last bid.

2. 15 minute standard sniping rule - Any bid made within the last 15 minutes of the auction, will restart a 15 minute clock for each bid thereafter. Meaning if the auction ends at 7pm and a bid is made at 6:46, the new ending time is now 7:01. If a following bid is then made at 6:49, the new ending time will be 7:04. This will continue until 15 minutes have elapsed from the last bid.

3. 1 hour standard sniping rule -  Any bid made within the last 1 hour of the auction, will restart a 1 hour clock for each bid thereafter. Meaning if the auction ends at 7pm and a bid is made at 6:25, the new ending time is now 7:25. If a following bid is then made at 6:42, the new ending time will be 7:42. This will continue until 1 hour has elapsed from the last bid.



AUCTION TEMPLATE

Below is a standard template that can be used for quicker auction listings. All you need to do is copy and paste the template and then input your auction/sale info.  


Just copy & paste the following:




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[u][b]AUCTION TERMS[/b][/u]

[b]Item for Sale: [/b]

[b]Bid Format: [/b] [color=orange][btc][/color]

[b]Starting Bid:[/b] 0.00 [color=orange][btc][/color]

[b]Minimum Bid Increment:[/b] 0.000 [color=orange][btc][/color]

[b]Auction End Time:[/b] Monday, September 21st @2100 EST  countdown clock...https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/create

[b]Sniping: [/b] No sniping. 10 minute standard sniping rule. All lots extended with any bid to any lot...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277761.0

[b]Shipping:[/b] Paid for by buyer. Ships from USA. Buyer responsible for any and all customs/duties

[b]Payment Address:[/b] Bitcoin address goes here, unless using escrow.  

[b]Payment Due:[/b] Within 24 hours

[b]Escrow:[/b] Available at cost of buyer

[img width=200 height=80 alt=image loading...]https://seanja.com/secret/countdown/gif.php?time=2021-01-03-20:59[/img][/center]





TOOLS

Price Trackers: Copy/paste the desired price tracker code and change the dollar amount from 2000 to your desired dollar amount you wish to peg to BTC.


price trackers set at $2000

[img]http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/img/2000[/img]


[img]https://www.bit-it.eu/btc/?usd=2000.0[/img]


[img]https://youmeandbtc.com/bitcoin-converter-php.php?dir=tobtc&val=2000&cur=usd&btctype=btc&exchange=Bitstamp&dec=4&bgc=DDEEFF&txtc=111133[/img]



Countdown Clock Gif:

Enter your desired ending time here: https://getmara.com/static/email-countdown-timer.html

Entering into forum should look like this...

[img]https://timer.getmara.com/c3R5bGU9MTImZGF0ZT0yMDIyLTA0LTA2JnRpbWU9MDAlM0EwMCZ0aW1lem9uZT1BbWVyaWNhJTJGTmV3X1lvcmsmYmNrQ29sb3I9RkZCQjI0JmZvbnRDb2xvcj0wMDAwMDAmbGFiZWxDb2xvcj0wMDAwMDAmZGF5TGFiZWw9ZGF5cyZob3VyTGFiZWw9aG91cnMmbWluTGFiZWw9bWluJnNlY0xhYmVsPXNlYw==.gif[/img]




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September 23, 2020, 06:24:20 PM
Last edit: September 23, 2020, 06:40:18 PM by SatsLife
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Reposting this topic as a self moderated topic in order to keep organized and newbie friendly. I did not realize this post was going to be so welcomed by the community, and this brings some unwarranted attention and posts that clog up the thread making it more difficult for newer members to navigate. I am still fairly new myself, which is why I started this thread, for people like me  Cheesy

Please do not get offended if I delete your post.

Thank you,

SatsLife


Link to archived thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5273821.0

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Please do not use that terrible auction template. In my opinion, it's absolutely hideous and looks unprofessional. Tongue

Just use the simple list I use, which will look a lot nicer.
Code:
[b]Starting bid[/b]: 0.008[BTC] with minimum increments of 0.0005[BTC]
[b]Shipping[/b]: Not included. Shipping will be based on location and preference
[b]End date and time[/b]: [url=https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200903T23&p0=16&msg=Auction+end&font=cursive&csz=1]Thursday, 3 September at 23:00 (Amsterdam Time)[/url]
[b]Sniping[/b]: Bids in the last 10 minutes extend the auction to a maximum of 10 minutes after the last bid.
[b]Payment[/b]: I only accept Bitcoin and payment must be send to [i]bc1q0skm6sqtqwh030ay9va78punmd6gzat5hpzvzf[/i]
[b]Other[/b]:
[list]
[li]Proof of funds or a collateral may be asked from new bidders to be eligible to bid on the auction.[/li]
[li]I reserve the right to reject bids from or deny sale to any individual for any reason.[/li]
[/list]



In fact, I highly recommend just copy-pasting my style: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190862 Cheesy

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aaand - repeat Grin

for my auctions i have always used this timer, which i think is very easy to set:

Code:
[img width=200 height=80 alt=image loading...]https://seanja.com/secret/countdown/gif.php?time=2020-12-31-23:59[/img]

simply insert this line in the auction and set the time until when this auction should run - an example:

image loading...

the timer now shows how long it is to the end of the month (cest zone)

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Keep the codes coming people!

@Mitchell, there are no dates, usernames, block heights, or shoes on your head in your photos. This might not be the best example for new accounts.  Cheesy

@Cygan, Thank you for posting the clock code! I will use this all the time.

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@SatsLife
nice to read it👍👌

i hope that soon other users known here, who often start an auction, will use this nice and simple timer
this is definitely a big relief for the participants of an auction

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Last edit: January 21, 2021, 06:41:19 PM by krogoth
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Some more goodies to add...

price trackers set at $2000




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[img]http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/img/2000[/img]
[img]https://www.bit-it.eu/btc/?usd=2000.0[/img]
[img]https://www.bit-it.eu/btc/?usd=2000.0[/img]
[img]https://youmeandbtc.com/bitcoin-converter-php.php?dir=tobtc&val=2000&cur=usd&btctype=btc&exchange=Bitstamp&dec=4&bgc=DDEEFF&txtc=111133[/img]



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Mods- I think it would serve this board well if this were pinned at the top. I know first hand how it can be intimidating when you first show up here ( and have had many others tell me the same ) and these guidelines I think could help this board to grow a bit/as well as make the board more orderly for you guys. 

I don't think there is really much of a need for this pinned topic anymore, and Sats thread here would basically be replacing it ( "Collectable auctions can be posted in this section! Use [Auction] tag" ).  Appreciate your consideration.

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Great post Sats this is very helpful! I know that for the single auction I held it was a bit confusing on how best structure it but with these templates anyone new will be golden.

LOL Rainbow Sky its ridiculous that you have managed to comment and annoy so many people in so many threads in such a short period of time. Truly impressive!
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Great post Sats this is very helpful! I know that for the single auction I held it was a bit confusing on how best structure it but with these templates anyone new will be golden.

Thank you Capn! Glad to know it's getting some use.



Code:
[img width=200 height=80 alt=image loading...]https://seanja.com/secret/countdown/gif.php?time=2020-12-31-23:59[/img]

Still loving the timer, cygan! Thx again.

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Usually how escrow works is
1) escrow sends a group pm stating the terms and payment address
2) the buyer pays
3) the seller ships
4) upon arrival, the funds get released to the seller


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...


Code:
[img width=200 height=80 alt=image loading...]https://seanja.com/secret/countdown/gif.php?time=2020-12-31-23:59[/img]

Still loving the timer, cygan! Thx again.


it's just a little bit sad that the timer is almost not used at all for all the new auctions... Undecided

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[img width=200 height=80 alt=image loading...]https://seanja.com/secret/countdown/gif.php?time=2020-12-31-23:59[/img]

Still loving the timer, cygan! Thx again.


it's just a little bit sad that the timer is almost not used at all for all the new auctions... Undecided

i use it on the rare occasion I have a cut off

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OP is broken in bbcode and edited it.

This thread is for anyone, new or old, to BitcoinTalk that is interested in buying or selling bitcoin collectibles, and the unwritten rules of how to go about doing so.

This post will be updated continuously and compiled with suggestions from members who respond to this thread.  Smiley

Please post any info that you think should be added.... Cheesy





This is a work in progress.

SELLING

1. In the subject line of your post please label, in brackets, what type of sale you are conducting. [AUCTION], [WTS], [SALE], [RAFFLE], [WTT]

2. Post a picture of the item you want to sell, along with your username and date and/or Block height next to the item. This helps to verify you actually have the item you want to sell. If you are new to the forum, post the picture at imgur.com and provide a link or use BBCode to post.  Don't worry if your picture does not show up in the post. Someone with a rank higher than 'newbie' will likely add it to the thread in the following posts for you.

3. Select an end time for the auction, including timezone. Adding a countdown timer is always appreciated. If the countdown timer fails to give the proper time for any reason, then the stated time will be used for the auction end time. Countdown timer can be found here...https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/create

4. List your price or starting bid in BTC, as well as the MINIMUM bidding increment.

5. List a payment address. 

6. Is shipping included? If not, how much extra is it? What country/region of the world is your item shipping from? (this helps buyers quickly determine whether or not they would like to bid/buy)

7. Allow buyers to utilize escrow service. This especially goes for new accounts. See below for common escrow procedures.



BUYING/BIDDING

1. Please keep posts limited to bids or questions regarding the item for sale.

2. If there are multiple lots for sale please specify which lot you are bidding on, followed by your bid.
ex: Lot 1 @ 0.02 BTC

3. To avoid confusion, please post an exact bid. Posting an increment to someone's previous post, especially without quoting that bid, can lead to unnecessary problems.


ESCROW

Ok, so you just won your first auction. Now what? Do you send pmt to the seller in the hopes that they ship your item? No. Just utilize a trusted escrow member. Here are some recommended bitcointalk escrow services https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0

1. Inform the seller that you would like to use an escrow service.
2. The seller and yourself will contact the escrow and let them know you would both like to utilize escrow.
3. Escrow member sends a group pm stating the terms and payment address
4. The buyer sends winning auction bid to the escrow plus any fees
5. The seller ships item to escrow
6. Upon arrival to escrow, the funds get released to the seller and item is reshipped to buyer.

SNIPING

- Sniping rules can sometimes get confusing, especially if there are multiple lots in the same auction. (as we saw with the Gold Halving Coldkeys auction)

example: Any bid made within the last 10 minutes of the auction ending will extend the auction by another 10 minutes.

What does this mean exactly? What if there are 5 bids placed within the last 10 minutes of the auction? Does that mean there are 50 minutes added to the end of the auction?

It is much easier to follow an auction as a bidder knowing you have 10 minutes from the last bidder and the clock restarts with every bid. Feel free to copy and paste. Maybe eventually we can all just post "10 minute standard sniping rule" in our auctions and understand exactly what it means...

1. 10 minute standard sniping rule - Any bid made within the last 10 minutes of the auction, will restart a 10 minute clock for each bid thereafter. Meaning if the auction ends at 7pm and a bid is made at 6:51, the new ending time is now 7:01. If a following bid is then made at 6:55, the new ending time will be 7:05. This will continue until 10 minutes have elapsed from the last bid.

2. 15 minute standard sniping rule - Any bid made within the last 15 minutes of the auction, will restart a 15 minute clock for each bid thereafter. Meaning if the auction ends at 7pm and a bid is made at 6:46, the new ending time is now 7:01. If a following bid is then made at 6:49, the new ending time will be 7:04. This will continue until 15 minutes have elapsed from the last bid.

3. 1 hour standard sniping rule -  Any bid made within the last 1 hour of the auction, will restart a 1 hour clock for each bid thereafter. Meaning if the auction ends at 7pm and a bid is made at 6:25, the new ending time is now 7:25. If a following bid is then made at 6:42, the new ending time will be 7:42. This will continue until 1 hour has elapsed from the last bid.



AUCTION TEMPLATE

Below is a standard template that can be used for quicker auction listings. I removed the front bracket of each line to make it easier to copy and paste different colors and center alignment. All you need to do is add a bracket to the front of each line, and then fill in your auction info.


Add [ to the front of each line below.










Starting bid per lot : 0.0 BTC

Minimum bid increments : 0.000 BTC

End time : Sunday September 27th, 2020. 22h UTC+2 (Paris time) - Countdown Timer Link https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/create

Sniping : 10 Minute Standard Sniping Rule. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277761.0

Payment: Bitcoin address goes here

Payment Due: Within 72 hours

Shipping : $0 worldwide with tracking

Escrow accepted, winner pays fees.


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Another Auction Template:

Add [ to the front of each line below.




Auction Terms:

Bid Format: BTC

Starting Bid: 0.00 BTC

Minimum Bid Increment: 0.000 BTC

Auction End Time: Monday, September 21st @2100 EST  countdown clock...https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/create

Sniping: No sniping. 10 minute standard sniping rule...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277761.0

Shipping: Paid for by buyer. Ships from USA. Buyer responsible for any and all customs/duties

Payment: Only in BTC, I will reach out to winner via PM after auction end. Pmt due within 24 hours.

Escrow: Available at cost of buyer

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January 16, 2021, 09:55:10 AM
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OP is broken in bbcode and edited it.

Fixed. Thank you Musa.

Still looking for a proper gif countdown timer to replace the previous one that no longer works. :/

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Suggestion - There is some code floating around here that allows you to place the dollar (not sure about others such as euro etc) amount you want to receive for an item you’re selling that will then spit out it’s bitcoin equivalent. I’m not sure how often it updates however, every 1-5-10mns or if it’s live. But adding this in the OP for people to be able to use would be cool.

Anyone able to provide the code? Gracias.

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Last edit: January 23, 2021, 06:47:47 PM by krogoth
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 #17

Suggestion - There is some code floating around here that allows you to place the dollar (not sure about others such as euro etc) amount you want to receive for an item you’re selling that will then spit out it’s bitcoin equivalent. I’m not sure how often it updates however, every 1-5-10mns or if it’s live. But adding this in the OP for people to be able to use would be cool.

Anyone able to provide the code? Gracias.

Here ya go! Wink


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Code:
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[img]http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/img/2000[/img]

[img]https://www.bit-it.eu/btc/?usd=2000.0[/img]

[img]https://youmeandbtc.com/bitcoin-converter-php.php?dir=tobtc&val=2000&cur=usd&btctype=btc&exchange=Bitstamp&dec=4&bgc=DDEEFF&txtc=111133[/img]



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 #18

OP is broken in bbcode and edited it.

Fixed. Thank you Musa.

Still looking for a proper gif countdown timer to replace the previous one that no longer works. :/

here we go!!! Grin
found a great homepage with 3 different countdown timer 👉 https://getmara.com/static/email-countdown-timer.html

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will definitely use one of these 3 timer in my next auction Smiley

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February 18, 2021, 04:34:32 PM
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Hey true Bitcoiners,

I am Bitcoiner for already very ling time, I knew about this page and always have followed. I try to create an auction but the issue is about the image, I can't add image Sad I tried different ways but nothing. Can I get any help? Thanks!
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Hey true Bitcoiners,

I am Bitcoiner for already very ling time, I knew about this page and always have followed. I try to create an auction but the issue is about the image, I can't add image Sad I tried different ways but nothing. Can I get any help? Thanks!

as a newbie you can't add any images to your posts. the only thing that will help you is to buy yourself as a 'copper member' here in the forum

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Available paid memberships:

Copper - 0.00052522 BTC: Allows you to post images even if you are a newbie, reduces the time-between-actions limit, and provides some of the same benefits as being of natural Member rank.

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