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December 06, 2025, 12:48:37 AM
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@Kazkaz27 Probably you have missed this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
Ok rules for buying and sell, there are also THE list of (un)official rules of the forum (YES you missed it).

I see your examples and its clear WHY you are doing all these rumours. Have you replied to "bully comments"? Or just attacked people?
I hope OP will delete ALL of this off topic since your "rules" have no sense and in the same situation you were blaming again...).

Banning or censoring people "because they want bid" or "because they made comments" its the most violent and ruthless proposals I have ever seen.
Moreover, people here have MANY altaccounts, in any case you cannot never knows if an account has the same owner.
Are you blaming mods and users because they bid honestly ? Smiley Grin (YES Grin ok...)

You want a fair space where "you decide what can be a comment and what can't be", "you decide who and where he can bids" (of course moderators can't collect items, and they had to pay overpriced items") anything else? Grin
No more than 1 negative trust per account? Other useful ideas? Don't reply to me... I don't use AI for creating WALL OF TEXT.

Last but not least : since a guy called "signatures" as an issue - be aware that each time I read "VIP" bitcoiners (because they buy your items so they are VIP) my eyes starts to bleeding. There are no VIP bitcoiners Wink at least to me Smiley CIAO!

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December 06, 2025, 01:01:27 AM
Last edit: December 06, 2025, 01:19:53 AM by Kazkaz27
 #82

@Kazkaz27 Probably you have missed this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
Ok rules for buying and sell, there are also THE list of (un)official rules of the forum (YES you missed it).

I see your examples and its clear WHY you are doing all these rumours. Have you replied to "bully comments"? Or just attacked people?
I hope OP will delete ALL of this off topic since your "rules" have no sense and in the same situation you were blaming again...).

Banning or censoring people "because they want bid" or "because they made comments" its the most violent and ruthless proposals I have ever seen.
Moreover, people here have MANY altaccounts, in any case you cannot never knows if an account has the same owner.
Are you blaming mods and users because they bid honestly ? Smiley Grin (YES Grin ok...)

You want a fair space where "you decide what can be a comment and what can't be", "you decide who and where he can bids" (of course moderators can't collect items, and they had to pay overpriced items") anything else? Grin
No more than 1 negative trust per account? Other useful ideas? Don't reply to me... I don't use AI for creating WALL OF TEXT.

Last but not least : since a guy called "signatures" as an issue - be aware that each time I read "VIP" bitcoiners (because they buy your items so they are VIP) my eyes starts to bleeding. There are no VIP bitcoiners Wink at least to me Smiley CIAO!

I thought you were against censorship, yet you propose to delete my valid points/proposal?

I used AI to shift through hundreds/thousands of pages here. Which has lead to finding out some scary probabilities of abuse happening among cliches. It was not used in every reply. Including this one. Every reply of mine here is legitimate and professional as well as on topic.

I want solutions and I’m open to other peoples proposals/suggestions regarding the proposed idea. If nothing gets done fine, but at the very least it’s really important we discuss it and shine a light on it. It exposes the truth.

No rumors have been spread by me. My claims are backed with CLEAR reasoning and references.

Telling OP to delete these comments is telling and backs my prior reply.


 
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December 06, 2025, 01:22:19 AM
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"valid points/proposals"
I have clearly replied and explained WHY these have no sense. At least to me.
To be honest I add also some "rules" that you had clearly missed.... If you want keep on public yes go ahead (anyway ALL forum is archived after each post so..... Roll Eyes )

AI
The final effect has no sense and its funny. Wall of BORING TEXT Smiley
You are blaming people for bidding? Because they are mod? Or because they are selling other people stuffs?
Are you sure that you deserve ALL this attention? To me it's enough. There is no valid point, and in any case they are not do "Shady actions" by using alt accounts (in any case this is not against "rules").
[in some cases people doens't want to show what they are buying and so on... any rule has a sense and it's clearly to protect users]

... solution.... claims...
To be honest...yes it's better to delete non sense rules. Not many seems agree....
moreover,  I can't see anything wrong on people bidding on their auction / or moderatos bidding too.

If you don't like people's comments on your sales, made self-moderated. But this Will not change NOTHING!
Why you pretend that people doesn't express their opinion? It is offensive? Leave a trust negative. Everyone will made his idea without some "central" authority that force people to move or edits comments.

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December 06, 2025, 01:30:24 AM
Last edit: December 06, 2025, 01:43:03 AM by Kazkaz27
 #84

"valid points/proposals"
I have clearly replied and explained WHY these have no sense. At least to me.
To be honest I add also some "rules" that you had clearly missed.... If you want keep on public yes go ahead (anyway ALL forum is archived after each post so..... Roll Eyes )

AI
The final effect has no sense and its funny. Wall of BORING TEXT Smiley
You are blaming people for bidding? Because they are mod? Or because they are selling other people stuffs?
Are you sure that you deserve ALL this attention? To me it's enough. There is no valid point, and in any case they are not do "Shady actions" by using alt accounts (in any case this is not against "rules").
[in some cases people doens't want to show what they are buying and so on... any rule has a sense and it's clearly to protect users]

... solution.... claims...
To be honest...yes it's better to delete non sense rules. Not many seems agree....
moreover,  I can't see anything wrong on people bidding on their auction / or moderatos bidding too.

If you don't like people's comments on your sales, made self-moderated. But this Will not change NOTHING!
Why you pretend that people doesn't express their opinion? It is offensive? Leave a trust negative. Everyone will made his idea without some "central" authority that force people to move or edits comments.

I find your dismissals lacking. You are attempting to cover up what’s not being said but that which is evident which I am exposing. That I propose rule for. You don’t like it. You accuse me of something it’s not and further refuse to acknowledge/address the issues I bring to light.

You can have your opinion. But no refuting of my claims have occurred. Just a reminder.

Also, please keep this thread/ how to buy & sell / unofficial rules/ proposed rules on topic.

 
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December 06, 2025, 01:48:50 AM
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... on topic

Grin ? Off topic starts when people doesn't agree with you, right? Grin  Exactly what I say "off-topic" - excluding the part where I don't agree at all?
No no, I don't want to know, we close with this post our conversation (and my Italian coffee has just finished and I need another one...)


Certain comments aren't okay with you. Ok. If you don't like it or you think other people must be aware: leave a trust (neutral or negative up to you).
If a user has offended you, have you checked to see if it's against the "rules"? Have you checked to see if they've said anything incorrectly?
Ok, expose him/her. If you don't see a crowd of people clapping your ideas... mmm ... Yes this is in topic. Report to moderatos if don't.
Don't explain how to use the forum to other people... Wink

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December 06, 2025, 02:00:27 AM
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... on topic

Grin ? Off topic starts when people doesn't agree with you, right? Grin  Exactly what I say "off-topic" - excluding the part where I don't agree at all?
No no, I don't want to know, we close with this post our conversation (and my Italian coffee has just finished and I need another one...)


Certain comments aren't okay with you. Ok. If you don't like it or you think other people must be aware: leave a trust (neutral or negative up to you).
If a user has offended you, have you checked to see if it's against the "rules"? Have you checked to see if they've said anything incorrectly?
Ok, expose him/her. If you don't see a crowd of people clapping your ideas... mmm ... Yes this is in topic. Report to moderatos if don't.
Don't explain how to use the forum to other people... Wink

There are a few examples of you going off topic. I’ll name one and leave it at that.

#1: Bringing up the use of AI as a way to dismiss the core issue and to step away from the actual discussion. (Acting as if that’s against some fundamental law)

 
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December 06, 2025, 02:30:29 AM
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Grin Is everything okay? YES Huh SO MANY OFF-TOPIC EXAMPLES? Grin REALLY? Mine? LOL Grin

Are you just looking for "discussions" /problems with anyone who disagrees with you. Since no one gives you any encouragement, you choose to attack personally? I am going off topic Grin .... ok report to moderators. Please leave a trust "bitbollo writes off topic and blablabla".

Pointing out that what you wrote makes no sense is going off-topic? Grin
Pointing out that using artificial intelligence not only makes you less intelligent, but also has a disastrous effect (since, as much as you think you've done something interesting, it actually makes no sense?) Grin LOL

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December 06, 2025, 03:07:21 AM
Last edit: December 06, 2025, 03:56:59 AM by Kazkaz27
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Grin Is everything okay? YES Huh SO MANY OFF-TOPIC EXAMPLES? Grin REALLY? Mine? LOL Grin

Are you just looking for "discussions" /problems with anyone who disagrees with you. Since no one gives you any encouragement, you choose to attack personally? I am going off topic Grin .... ok report to moderators. Please leave a trust "bitbollo writes off topic and blablabla".

Pointing out that what you wrote makes no sense is going off-topic? Grin
Pointing out that using artificial intelligence not only makes you less intelligent, but also has a disastrous effect (since, as much as you think you've done something interesting, it actually makes no sense?) Grin LOL

No problems at all and all the best!

Totally fine with people who disagree. No problem there. There is no debate in regards to your responses. The last few of your comments/posts are off and don’t add much relevance/substance. They are dismissive, avoidant and accusatory. They don’t support a continuation of the debate of the proposed rule or address the issue at hand. Instead you propose its deletion. (Sweeping all this under the rug)

I’m sorry the reasoning doesn’t make sense to you. (You could have asked for clarification about specifics if you are confused) Happy to clarify.

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December 06, 2025, 03:55:57 AM
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this discussion should not really be in this thread - this thread is pinned to have actual advice on how to sell or buy here - not to house one sad little man's rage against the machine and his little pity party. Take this out of this thread. If rules do get changes or added/removed  then it would be good for here. But this is not what this thread is for.

and before you comment - I will not answer you so save this thread yet another one of your monologues.

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this discussion should not really be in this thread - this thread is pinned to have actual advice on how to sell or buy here - not to house one sad little man's rage against the machine and his little pity party. Take this out of this thread. If rules do get changes or added/removed  then it would be good for here. But this is not what this thread is for.

and before you comment - I will not answer you so save this thread yet another one of your monologues.

Here is a quote from OP


This post will be updated continuously and compiled with suggestions from members who respond to this thread.  Smiley

Please post any info that you think should be added.... Cheesy



Your call for deletion explicitly supports my claims

 
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I was not going to answer but your ignorance is abounding.

Yes, it says to post suggestions - not carry on 30 comment discussions about it.

And I made no call for deletion - simply said to take the discussion elsewhere - this is for suggestions yes - you made em. if they get adopted/added/others removed or whatever then so be it.

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I was not going to answer but your ignorance is abounding.

Yes, it says to post suggestions - not carry on 30 comment discussions about it.

And I made no call for deletion - simply said to take the discussion elsewhere - this is for suggestions yes - you made em. if they get adopted/added/others removed or whatever then so be it.

It’s okay. Most people hate being caught red handed. Especially in their own domain.

 
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Let me quote this passage taken from your wall of text that probably you havent fully read due the long AI text.
Have you seen "your examples"? You have shared ALL bids make by a moderator! Grin (sorry - I mean you posted what AI writes...)
Since a moderator has not acted in your favor, removing comments - that according to common math and judgement are also pretty correct - there is a supergang of favoritism?

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1. Expanded Examples of Moderator Cyrus Bidding in Auctions (Potential Conflict of Interest)
Cyrus, as a global moderator (user ID 78147), has the authority to moderate any thread, including those in Collectibles. Participating as a bidder in auctions without explicit recusal creates a perceived conflict, especially if moderation is needed (e.g., disputes or deletions). No direct moderation by Cyrus was found in these threads, but the pattern of repeated bidding in auctions by the same host (anonymousminer, user ID 1668017) raises questions about neutrality. Here are more instances beyond the previously noted ones:

   •   In the [Auction] Mybits Silver Series 1/2oz versions thread (started June 27, 2025), Cyrus placed bids on Lot 1 and Lot 2 for 0.0006 BTC each. The thread shows no deleted posts or moderation actions, but Cyrus’s involvement as both a potential moderator and bidder aligns with the proposed rule’s concern over conflicts.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5548073.0

   •   In the [Auction] RARE 2017 Xerola 6 coin set - #10/100 thread (started around June 2025), Cyrus bid 0.002 BTC. Again, no deletions or edits by moderators were noted, reinforcing the pattern of unrecused participation in anonymousminer’s sales.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5547958.0

These add to prior cases, such as the RARE TGBEX auction (where Cyrus made three bids) and the Lealana/Cryptonic multi-lot auction (bid on Lot 1). This recurring dynamic was explicitly called out in a rule proposal as an example of potential bias, where a moderator’s bidding could influence or appear to favor certain sellers.

2. Accusations of Moderator Favoritism and Selective Communication
In the HOW TO BUY OR SELL HERE… thread (a key guide for Collectibles transactions), user Kazkaz27 (user ID 2716227) directly accused moderators of favoritism, stating they’ve “reached out to moderators in the past and have been ignored more than answered/helped but it seems others have direct ties/communication while seemingly favored/supported.” This ties into broader discussions in the thread about cliques and biases, where Kazkaz27 proposed a rule requiring moderator recusal and public logging to address these issues. Responses from users like owlcatz (user ID 313016) and bitbollo emphasized the public nature of the forum but didn’t refute the favoritism claims, instead suggesting self-moderation as a workaround. The thread itself is self-moderated with 28 deleted posts, which users speculated could reflect selective enforcement to silence dissent.
Similar complaints appear in other contexts, such as a thread drawing attention to administrators (including Cyrus) for account recovery issues, where users reported uneven responses—some resolved quickly, others ignored—hinting at preferential treatment.

3. Trust System Misuse and Clique Perceptions
The trust feedback system is often cited as a tool for cliques to favor allies or target critics, particularly in Collectibles where sales rely on reputation. In the Members of the RedTrust leadership thread, discussions highlight biases and favoritism in trust ratings, noting that negative (red) trust is sometimes retaliatory rather than evidence-based. Key points:
   •   Reciprocal ratings form cliques: Users like DdmrDdmr described negative trust as retaliation for calling out scams, creating “strategic” alliances.
   •   Biases beyond commerce: Trust is misused for non-scam issues (e.g., personal vendettas), with favoritism in who gets tagged. Users hugeblack and Fillippone criticized unverified inclusions in “leadership” lists as biased.
   •   Specific inclusions: anonymousminer, Cyrus, and MoparMiningLLC (user ID 1478835) are listed with red trust accusations linked to scam threads (e.g., anonymousminer in topic 5233577.0; MoparMiningLLC in 5369583.200; Cyrus in 1483539). This suggests a network where high-trust users (Cyrus has +13 trust) might protect or favor each other while targeting outsiders.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431084.0

In the Examples that negatively impact the Bitcoin Collectibles Community thread (in the Reputation board), users discuss derails and trust misuse, with Kazkaz27 highlighting repeated negativity from MoparMiningLLC and anonymousminer as agenda-driven, potentially tied to cliques. This reinforces favoritism claims, as trust ratings appear influenced by group dynamics rather than objective evidence.

4. Patterns of Selective Moderation and Deleted Content
While direct logs of Cyrus’s moderation in Collectibles are sparse, user complaints point to uneven enforcement:
   •   Self-moderated threads like the HOW TO guide show heavy deletions (28 posts), often by OPs aligned with certain groups, which critics argue favors established sellers like anonymousminer by removing critical posts.
   •   In scam accusation threads involving MoparMiningLLC (e.g., Titan Mint scam discussions), users question why accounts remain active despite allegations, implying moderator leniency for insiders.
   •   Broader forum rules note that scams and trust ratings are “not moderated” to avoid abuse, but this hands-off approach is accused of enabling favoritism in high-stakes boards like Collectibles.

These patterns suggest a clique dynamic where users like Cyrus, anonymousminer, and MoparMiningLLC benefit from mutual support (e.g., bidding, trust ratings), while outsiders like Kazkaz27 face derails or ignored appeals. If needed, further digging could involve specific scam threads referenced in trust discussions.


You (lol the AI) has tagged:
@Cyrus
@owlcatz
@DdmrDdmr
@hugeblack
@bitbollo
@Fillippone ( Grin LOL )
@MoparMiningLLC
@anonymousminer

I am sorry for this off topic. But come on - these guys doesn't deserve my words... but you CANNOT completely saying something like this (you or AI).
If you think really there is something like this or moderators are unfair it's clear the wrong place for you.
Yes, there are no doubts that these "suggested rules" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 are already in place, but just doesn't applies to posts you have mentioned.

You have taken also random topic created by a newbie (!) on  December 23, 2022, 09:49:04 AM Roll Eyes for criticize the DT system ...
It's truly unfair accusing these people to make a scam - at this point I don't see any reason why I should trust you for this randm and serious accusation. Based on what? It's ok ... everyone should make their judgement by reading this discussion.

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These patterns suggest a clique dynamic where users like Cyrus, anonymousminer, and MoparMiningLLC benefit from mutual support (e.g., bidding, trust ratings), while outsiders like Kazkaz27 face derails or ignored appeals. If needed, further digging could involve specific scam threads referenced in trust discussions.

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December 06, 2025, 09:25:53 AM
Last edit: December 06, 2025, 10:02:17 AM by Kazkaz27
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I will leave it as it may be. Like Mopar suggests Ive shared my points. I won’t cause more drama in this thread over a proposed idea/rule. The issues I have highlighted stem from genuine concerns which arise from perceived patterns in the Collectibles board. That being said I can say I appreciate you taking the time to break this down. It’s clear you’re passionate about keeping things fair. I give it to you. You can disagree and discredit one of those examples. You effectively poked holes in one case but can you do so with every example that I provided? I’ll admit maybe the solution here isn’t new rules but better enforcement of the existing ones.

 
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December 15, 2025, 07:37:30 PM
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First of all, thank you for bringing more eyeballs to this thread, Kazkaz. My apologies for not replying sooner. I appreciate your input, as you have obviously thought about this quite extensively.

However, this thread is not for Rules in the collectibles section and I am not a global mod or anything of the sort. This thread is just a simple "How-to" so Newbs and OGs alike can easily copy/paste a selling format and offers a general understanding of how things are bought and sold here. Plain and simple.

The aforementioned 28 or so deleted posts from this thread stem from derailing the thread. Not too dissimilar from whats happening now. A right I reserve, as this is a self-moderated topic. The original thread had to be replaced by this one because it lacked self-moderation and turned into a mess.

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