Beginners Mistake

[Richdoom]

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and   claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

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[mocacinno]

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and   claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

Well, let's start with educating newbies: you were banned due to plagiarism (at least, i suppose you were banned... you never said you were in your post, but the punishment for plagiarism is a permanent ban, so i  can only suppose you got your account banned).

Since you said this happened a couple weeks ago, and this account was created less than a week ago, i can only conclude you created a new account after your first account was banned.

Now, here comes the education: after your initial ban, you *should* have taken the time to read the rules... You were banned, and since you created this post, i can only assume you were unhappy about this, so the least you should have done is read the rules before starting to post again...

Now, since it's clear you didn't read the rules, i'll just quote from the list of rules that can be found in this sticky topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

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25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
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The correct sequence would have been
1) you were banned, for whatever reason
2) you wait for your ban to expire, or in case this takes to long (or if you have a permanent ban): you are allowed to create a new account and make one topic in meta to discuss your ban. Posting outside this one topic is considered ban evasion.
3) you either get a pardon from Theymos and he unbans you, or you are no longer allowed to post on bitcointalk. Do realise it's you that is banned, not your account. If you create a new account this is called ban evasion, which will get you banned again (actually, you never have been unbanned to begin with)

[Richdoom]

There are more Newbies and beginners who will make same mistakes and my sole purpose for these post is to educate them or rather create the awareness to them. That the forum have rules and regulations governing it  that they should always endeavor to read all possible information about the forum and have full understanding before commencing. There are many to learn here and I’m glad to be here to educate myself more about Cryptocurrency and help in my own little way to improve Cryptocurrency. I learnt my lesson the hard way and wish to be help other newbies and beginners not to encounter the same mistake. I hope to be a better member of these forum.

[mocacinno]

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I hope to be a better member of these forum.

Well, that's the point... You can't be a member of this forum UNTILL you are no longer banned. This means: creating a ban appeal thread and ONLY posting in said thread. No matter how many accounts you have/make, as long as a single one of them is banned, you are 100% restricted to posting in one thread in the meta subforum, and you can only use this thread to discuss your ban.

I know this sounds harsh, I didn't make the rules, but by discussing anything besides your ban, you are violating the rules and you'll probably end up getting this account banned aswel.

[Charles-Tim]

This is a forum, it has rules we should follow, so not to fall out of the forum norms and ways of posting. In short, we have posting etiquettes. Where there are no laws, there are no sins, people can do the way they want, but, this forum is not like that. This forum condone no such mistake, I mean plagiarism and spamming. For new users that spam on this forum, ones it is evident from another source, the person will be banned, and it will be a permanent ban.

For example, even if an organization wants to employe you, they will have to first interview you, before the interview, you would have browsed about the company, knowing more about them, so that you will not failed the interview. This is just like reading the forum rules, and it is not only about reading the rules, it is also about abiding to it. I do not expect people to do what could put them in trouble, while some people still like doing it by disobeying.

There are some mistakes that worth correction, some newbies can even still be adamant to the correction, arguing and even implying ranked members are the ones that are not correct. Even after all such things, ranked members still do correct newbies all the time on this this, especially because of their newbie misconception about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. So, implying ranked members not correcting newbies, this is wrong, they always do correct newbies very well. But, not to the extent newbies are againsting the rules of the forum which can get them permanent ban. It is all over everywhere, not only this forum, that spamming and plagiarism they do not condone.

Another scenerio, if you are in an examination hall, and you are copying your fellow students, if you are seen by a supervisor, it can also get you in trouble that can result to the person to fail the example or carry the course over.  Do just obey the rules of the forum is a requisite to you not getting banned.

[mk4]

“Ignorance of the law is no excuse”

You committed plagiarism, hence you got banned. You would've known that rule if you actually read the Unofficial Bitcointalk rules, which is frequently mentioned in this forum. It might be quite a harsh rule, but it's a necessary one.

[DdmrDdmr]

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As stated above, you have virtually confesses to be ban evading, and thus should not be posting here (you may only post in Meta to create a ban appeal).

When I joined the forum, I was not aware of the existence of rules. Hell, I thought you could just post away as you pleased, and it never occurred to me that one was submitted to rules in any way. Likewise, it also did not occur to me to copy and paste content though. Yes, you read, gather information, (sometimes) contrast and cross-reference, but in the end, you pour your mind in your own words, as a seemingly natural approach to communication.

Of course, there are a few rules or situations that are not that intuitive. I was barely a month into my account when I joined an airdrop where I posted one of those classical “proof of join” posts on their thread, along with an ETH address. Somehow, that lead to being proposed, amongst a bunch of other accounts, for being nuked. I was unaware of this fact until sometime later but, had my account been nuked, I certainly would not be here now (nor any alt/morph account).

By the above, I mean that rules are, for the most, not prohibiting anything unreasonable, and normally, one complies with them unknowingly. There is though the factor of earlier exposure, which does have a chance to improve (i.e. a simple welcome message/email that empathises some things). People will still do what they will, but at least they’d be warned from the moment they join the forum (if they read it).

[Alucard1]

It was written in the rules that we should avoid plagiarism and yet you committed it, even though haven't read yet the rules, the sanction will still keep on you, being a beginner isn't an excuse, we are all responsible for reading the rules of every forum that we are going to join. I didn't know if you are familiar with any forums but for every forum that we have in this crypto world, there are always rules that we should obey in order for the forum to be organized. I cant imagine a forum to be successful if there are no rules and moderators that will observe every member.

We are all responsible to know the things we should know in this forum, we can ask other members through creating a topic, it will lead you to the right path.

I know you know that plagiarism is not a good thing and can be considered as a crime but you still did that thing, the violation that you have isn't for beginner because it is thought from ou schools and in our daily lives, so the punishment of being banned is deserved for those persons who commited it.

[Taskford]

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and   claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

Actually its part of educating you since if the person you said didn't report you for sure you will encounter huge consequences of your action and lucky the staff here didn't ban your account so learn from this mistake and educate to know more about things in this forum, Don't use the newbie words since you can actually use the search bar to seek for information you needed here.

[Jawhead999]

To be honest mods doesn't always banning an account if they caught you're doing plagiarism. A newbie account usually got nuked/temporary ban instead of banned since mods still gave him one more chance.

But, for some reason mods will banned quickly if the account is bring negative vibes, repeating his fault, too much plagiarism post etc.

[XCANA]

Well, we have once newborn before now and made some bad decisions which after then made a u-turn for the very best of our activities on the forum. You might have been warned before the ban but couldn't listened for this action, hope your coming back will be a lesson learnt from the past and restructure your mindset now. Is a common thing beginners make mistakes around the forum but change from be bad to good is the happiness of all.

[tranthidung]

To be honest mods doesn't always banning an account if they caught you're doing plagiarism. A newbie account usually got nuked/temporary ban instead of banned since mods still gave him one more chance.

But, for some reason mods will banned quickly if the account is bring negative vibes, repeating his fault, too much plagiarism post etc.

Is it real?

Plagiarism, even one time, when is detected will result in permanent ban ^{[1] [2]}. I am not sure that if you are newbie or low rank members you will be free from permanent ban if you make your first plagiarism.

What I know is different and I guess it is what you recalled inaccurately.

• After get permanent ban because of plagiarism, people are allowed to make ban appeal
• The prob of ban appeal to be accepted will depend on
  
  • Net effects: how that user contributes on the forum before that ban.
  • How many times that user make plagiarism (It looks like what you recalled inaccurately)

In reality, when one user break rule of plagiarism, it is usually a plagiarism habit and more than one plagiarism post will be found.

Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

^[1] hilariousandco
^[2] theymos

[Smartvirus]

There is no where in the world were the rules are going to be bent to suit ignorance, especially when the materials to cure  ignorance is at your disposal. This is why we have a sticky or pinned thread always at the top of every board, to serve as a therapy for ignorance and first education. Or perhaps the pinned post isn't 'click bait' enough then, it could be looked into.
The admin is not a bot and so, we together not excluding even you have to do our best not to mess up the community. If the rules are bent for as much as one person, then the compromise begins and is sure to continue and our once stable community will be shaken.
This is some of the unique qualities of the forum, fairness. It judges every user with the same rules and principles.

Again, the forum does not support creating alts as you have done . This could be considered a ban evasion and with the way your going about treating your issue, you might be liable for yet another ban. If a material is used in course of a publication, you've just got to reference it in your source. It's that simple.

[Natsuu]

There are more Newbies and beginners who will make same mistakes and my sole purpose for these post is to educate them or rather create the awareness to them. That the forum have rules and regulations governing it  that they should always endeavor to read all possible information about the forum and have full understanding before commencing. There are many to learn here and I’m glad to be here to educate myself more about Cryptocurrency and help in my own little way to improve Cryptocurrency. I learnt my lesson the hard way and wish to be help other newbies and beginners not to encounter the same mistake. I hope to be a better member of these forum.

The irony of your sentence is commendable, you said that you want others to learn something about your mistakes thus you create this post, but as you create this post, you expose yourself to another offense which is the Ban Evasion. The way you educate others is no means of education. You must be one of the example you are talking to before taking it to somebody else. and since you mention newbie and beginners, I think that plagiarism is the most common rule when it comes to forums, blogs, journals and any other forms of literature. Any other rules are always pinned in every section of the forum. ergo you don't have anything in your disposal to prove you not to be guilty.

But I do acknowledge your dedication to improve your ways to learn about cryptocurrency in any little way you can.

[Jawhead999]

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Is it real?

Plagiarism, even one time, when is detected will result in permanent ban ^{[1] [2]}. I am not sure that if you are newbie or low rank members you will be free from permanent ban if you make your first plagiarism.

This is some example

Please ban this newbie account CryptoJack101 he/she has plagiarized the content without any source

nuked

User : mokbor please ban that User for plagiarism

banned

Accused user: PreciousTheo

Plagiarist: PreciousTheo

nuked

The first guy is newbie account and only got nuked.
The second guy also a newbie account, but he got banned instead of nuked. Because the post is high potential containing malware Archived post
And the last guy only got nuked.

Well, this is just my comprehension as I read on this thread Report plagiarism (copy/pasting) here. Calling for Mod action: please permban
Since I'm not a mod, so I don't really know the terms and provisions of getting nuked or banned due to plagiarism.

[DdmrDdmr]

Just to clarify, an account that is nuked is also permanently banned. The difference is that, in case an account is nuked, it additionally gets all its posts deleted, effectively returning the account to Brand New.

Accounts can only be nuked in certain conditions:

<…> Regular mods can ban Newbies if they haven't been whitelisted by another mod, don't have Copper membership (IIRC), and have less than 150 posts or less than 30 posts if they have earned at least 1 merit.

I believe the above is the criteria for an account to be eligible for Nuking (even though the quote states the term "ban" and not "nuke").

Nuking is not mandatory if the conditions are met: if an account is eligible, it may not be nuked for example, let’s say, if it is related to some type of scam or is spreading malware. The idea is not to delete the evidence if it is worth keeping as a reference.

For further details, see: Division of Powers.

[GeorgeJohn]

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and   claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

That is while I keep  on emphasising  observation  and correction, I wants to take these in two dimensions
A) observation: as newbie or beginner we have to study  the environment we find ourself very well before associating, because  if fails to observe  or study the system  we shall keep on making  mistakes.
The first thing we have to do after registry account with bitcointalk community is to look for the protocol of the forum to avoid plagiarism, because  the protocol educates  the vital rules everyone abide.

B) Correction: corrections or to educate  someone  is not all about  reporting someone post which we know that the person is a baby to the community, we have two ways to correct someone from my views, (a)  if we notice errors from someones post we can correct by giving the person a personal message  which is (pm) I believe the person can never  forget  it through out the existence  of the forum.
b) quote: if you  quote someone and express your feelings   automatically the person will surely understand your text and pickup corrections.

[seoincorporation]

I think one of the most common beginners' mistakes is the chase of easy money, people must understand the money doesn't grow in trees. That's why tons of scams still working with simple schemes like, 'I will double your money' or 'Make a depo and you will be able to withdraw your $50,000'.

Users need to understand bitcoin is money, to make bitcoin they have to work because no one will be out there just giving away their money.

[Asuspawer09]

I experienced something heart broken here as a newbie couple of weeks ago. Yes I understand the fact these platform/Forum have rules governing it but as humans we are prone to make mistakes and take correction. I wrote a topic here couple of weeks ago and someone I sopose to be a serious member of these forum reported my post for plagiarism, reasons being he/she highlights some line of my sentence and   claimed it’s copy and paste,that action cost me a lost. There are better ways to correct and guide a newbie or beginners without having to condemn their post, We aren’t robot we all humans and we rise by lifting others. Please our senior members and legends should look into these or probably initiate a means to educate newbies and beginners so we don’t fall victim always while trying to create our own post just like other members of the forum.

In the first place, you should know already the rules of the forum, ignorance is not an excuse.

Something like plagiarism could easily be identified if he underlined the lines that you plagiarise, and you could probably make a complaint if it is not plagiarised.

A lot of times newbies are not really newbies but just alt account here in the forum so plagiarism is just a big rule that the forum should be strict. If you really do plagiarise then it's your fault that you get banned in the forum.

[Bright4Real]

Trading is a something need to observed the market and take a personal analysis before starting trading.