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January 15, 2021, 03:19:48 PM |
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Big Tech is censoring/removing the vaxx critics, election fraud videos, deleting their accounts left and right lately.
So much for the free speech.
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January 15, 2021, 04:39:36 PM |
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From my perspective, covid is just being used by big corporations to enrich themselves. The virus itself isn't the problem, but the response is. - Lockdown kills competitions, mainly small/medium businesses. - Vaccine = instaprofit for Pfizer et al. - No job = use social media more.
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January 15, 2021, 08:18:19 PM |
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Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset. The bitcoin community has enough trouble not appearing like a cult of crazies as it is, and having people associated with bitcoin constantly pushing trash like this doesn’t help us. This community needs to be better than to embrace this trash.
Me too, but we can't really dispel this shenanigans when we only work as an individual. It doesn't really matter if this is a engineered virus or a natural one, this only deviates us to the truth that our governments failed to do the necessary measures to prevent a pandemic in their country in the first place. Instead of focusing too much on obscure and baseless accusation, why not be kind to others and do something to contribute to the community. Well firstly, it absolutely matters whether the virus was engineered or not. Someone puts out a baseless conspiracy theory about it being engineered for a financial reset (even though they can't explain how that works) and we have to coddle them and their insane beliefs for the sake of being polite? That's why the world is as messed up as it is. We coddle people who are stupid and reinforce the notion that their stupid ideas are valid. They're not, and this one definitely isn't.
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January 15, 2021, 08:23:06 PM |
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Do you have any links to these fact you proclaim?
all these virus' these days seem to be engineered.
Its like a hobby for idiot countries.
"Hey we can wipe out humanity!"
great we can be rich.
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January 15, 2021, 10:59:31 PM |
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It is very interesting when talking about conspiracy theories, it is very clear that there are several parties who benefit in a pandemic situation like now. Because it is very easy to overthrow business rivals, and easier to control third world countries by providing a number of loan funds. As we know today the demand for health supplements is very high, so the pharmaceutical industry is progressing rapidly with a drastic increase in profit.
Then there is the instant food industry where incomes have risen very high in a pandemic situation like now. Because many people are experiencing an economic crisis, finally they choose to consume lots of instant noodles, which are indeed cheap. Therefore I feel that this COVID-19 pandemic will last a long time or maybe it will never end, because it is considered to be beneficial to certain parties. Because nowadays there are many industries that are greedy and only think about profit by doing everything they can to achieve their targets.
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January 16, 2021, 02:49:36 AM |
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Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset. The bitcoin community has enough trouble not appearing like a cult of crazies as it is, and having people associated with bitcoin constantly pushing trash like this doesn’t help us. This community needs to be better than to embrace this trash.
The problem is not that there are conspiracy theories. The problem is that there are conspiracies.
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January 16, 2021, 02:57:19 AM |
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While you can’t hide the fact that if they engineered this type of thing, they should know That day bear all the Conscience in which they have everyone affected with this thing. A lot of people had lost their jobs, family members, Properties, etc. And they should know that they affected everyone. They will carry the burden of those who died.
I don’t think that it’s engineered in there’s probably another reason for it but I didn’t like this happening to everyone of us. I hope there could be a permanent solution already for this and we can go back to the way used to be.
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January 16, 2021, 02:57:35 AM |
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In fact China previously announced that normal days had begun. Meanwhile, the impact is that other countries have even expanded Lokdown. I'm here, I don't really believe 100% that Covid 19 exists. maybe right at the beginning of its existence it was true, but if it is to this day, then it is increasingly as contrived to manipulate Chinese political action as a whole. The number of victims is not small, even countries that are not the main priority for the emergence of Covid are getting worse, namely continuing to stages 2 and three.
It's not possible for us common people to know the exact truth, even if we can guess the big picture reasonably. For example, I suppose the virus was real in the early days. How real is it today? There are reports saying the infection and death rates from covid are much overblown, using the PCR tests that only now are being acknowledged by US authorities to be faulty. But, in the big picture, it doesn't really matter one way or the other. If the virus was initially released intentionally in China, why not release it elsewhere later when needed? And why not engineer a worse virus when that turns out to be needed to reset the economy? My point is, if the elites are capable of the initial crime, there's absolutely no reason not to commit the later crime.
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January 16, 2021, 03:15:25 AM |
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Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset.
Yeah, I don't understand exactly what a "financial reset" is. If anything, all this money printing and stimulus checks might lead to some severe inflation--and that won't be good for anyone assuming wages don't rise as well. That's not to say that governments couldn't or wouldn't take advantage of a pandemic to do some shady things, but I seriously doubt any government created COVID-19 with the intention of affecting the economy. I'm a firm believer that this is what biology does from time to time: produce mutant strains of viruses/bacteria which are much harder to deal with than anything previously known. So despite the "evidence" of a conspiracy, I'm not buying it. See my slightly earlier reply for what financial reset means. Like you, in these matters my initial, default position has to be that there's no foul play. However, if you read this link that I included, you'll see that: - There were joint US-China efforts at creating and sharpening viruses that infect humans, using the rationale (in fact stated by the good Dr. Anthony Fauci himself) that this research will allow us to better deal with deadly viruses when they arise from nature. But this research was dangerous, so much so that the Obama administration temporarily suspended funding, pending studies into its safety. Even then, the research continued. When Obama stopped it in the US, Fauci's USIAID moved it to Wuhan. - Somehow, no progress was made in the stated goal, i.e. fighting future deadly viruses. - But, a lab-made virus went into the world. (See Dr. Li-Meng Yan's open-to-peer-review paper that attempts a proof that the covid virus was man-made. Dr. Yan has fled China for safety, and an early analysis by Indian scientists that the covid virus looked man-made caused ZeroHedge, which publicized the analysis, to be banned from Twitter.)
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January 16, 2021, 03:33:55 AM |
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Not to mention that nobody is stupid enough to release a biological agent which cannot be controlled into the population. If your conspiracy theory is that the "elites" are trying to control people by releasing a virus into the world that can't be controlled, then I'm sorry you don't realize how stupid you are but the rest of us do.
As far as we common people can know, it's far from certain that this virus is uncontrollable. It seems clear that Covid can be reduced to a bad flu, if it's not already. For example, the hydroxychloroquine-plus (HCQ+) treatment regime has been shown to be excellent. See here, here and here. According to similar sources, the ivermectin-based regime is even better. Did the Western elites know about these treatments before the pandemic? There's no way for us to know, but we certainly can't say covid is uncontrollable. Now, when these treatments were discovered by doctors, the elites ensured they would not be used. That is a separate story altogether.
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January 16, 2021, 03:42:08 AM |
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I respect your opinion, but I do not believe in this theory.
In my opinion, the elites of the Western world and China could not participate together in such a global conspiracy.
There are many global problems in the modern world.
One of these problems is the US abandonment of world hegemony. A world leader is forced to sacrifice his national interests for the common good. The United States does not want to make such sacrifices. They can be understood. However, as a result, China, Russia, the EU and other countries are left alone with their problems and are forced to solve these problems on their own.
China, as a state with a very developed economy, isolated itself as much as possible from the Western world. Chinese elites do not trust the elites of the Western world.
In my opinion, joint action by China and the United States to reset the global financial system is too complex a combination.
It's impossible.
There's no real need for a true conspiracy between the US and China. Since a financial reset in each country is in the interests of the elites of each country (and this includes Britain, EU countries, and Japan,) a loose co-ordination is all that is required.
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We heard a lot of news about this conspiracy theory, but what I do not understand is how governments can benefit from these conspiracies to solve their economic problems or justify their failure, this scenario seems really terrifying How can these countries kill millions of people to cover their economic failure? I tend to believe that the Corona virus was created in the framework of the Cold War between the West and the East, and it could have spread in an intended or unintended way, but it has spread in the end and the cause of all these calamities. This scenario seems more plausible to me, it is world domination that drives the spread of the Coronavirus, not the economy.
If China released the virus alone to try to dominate the world, we have more than enough evidence to hold China accountable. (Even the links I've provided in this thread will do the job!) But what was the response of the Wester establishment? First, to try to argue that the virus was natural, alongside China. Then, when evidence of lab-made nature kept coming out, a faction of the West (the pro-Trump group, by and large, but not yet the mainstream politicians and media) have started to blame China for the virus (but, at least for now, saying publicly that the release was accidental.) China, for its part, started saying the US may be responsible, at around the same time. This is entirely to be expected. When two criminals are caught co-operating, each will try to blame the other.
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Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset. The bitcoin community has enough trouble not appearing like a cult of crazies as it is, and having people associated with bitcoin constantly pushing trash like this doesn’t help us. This community needs to be better than to embrace this trash.
If your assumption is that the Western elites can't possibly be so evil as to kill people to keep their economic and financial power, all you need to do is look at World War I. Specifically, why the US and UK entered the war. Almost a million Britons were killed, and we still don't know exactly what for. The best that a recent BBC analysis could come up with was 'not to allow Germany to dominate Europe.' Well, see below. In the US, President Woodrow Wilson campaigned for re-election in 1916 on his record of having kept the country out of war, but immediately turned pro-war after he was re-elected. The war was so unpopular that the Espionage Act of 1917 provided heavy prison sentences for commenting against joining the war. Apparently, when things got serious, freedom(TM) would have to wait. Now, what was the purpose of the war, again? Well, it looks like we'll have to guess. It just happened that, the war allowed the seat of the global money bubble to be moved from the over-indebted UK to a friendly US, while decidedly knocking unfriendly Germany out of the running for monetary control. (From now on, the dollar would gradually replace sterling as the global reserve currency, alongside gold.) In other words, it prevented a natural collapse of the global monetary system when the UK, at the center of the existing system, only had 3% of the gold required to redeem the total amount of paper sterling issued over the decades, while officially promising to redeem all paper sterling for gold on request, at the official rate. A natural collapse would have been pretty embarrassing for the Western system, so, druuuuuuum-roll... a Great Reset must be engineered.
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It sounds like it's all good of course but there is one but. All you described is how to shoot yourself in the foot, and with a grenade launcher. Those "world elites" are not so stupid and understand that if you create a debt bubble without responsibility and then just block it with new money straight from the printer, then you will still have to answer for it but in the near future. Complete lockdown of everything around from air traffic to your favorite coffee shop at home - it is so profitable to no one as you can only imagine. So yes it sounds good of course but still very far fetched everything except that the virus was created artificially. This is quite a proven fact (as far as I can judge) and I myself fully believe in it.
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It certainly sounds strong, but I never heard the arguments. Let's think LOGICALLY? What is the meaning and real goals of such a step? I once heard the "theory" that all this is being done in order to reduce the population to 0.5-1 billion, chip everyone, and replace all people with robots in all industries! This is about the insidious Bill Gates and foil hats from 5G radiation ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) When we with the person who voiced this thought decided to step by step logically go through this decision and understand the BENEFIT of such a decision, and understand the PURPOSE. It turned out to be nonsense ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) What is expected. Now about the conspiracy of the Western elites and China. A simple question - what is the purpose and benefit of such a "project"? What, after the death of millions of people, destruction and weakening of local economies in all countries, will the "conspirators" get? Try to LOGICALLY explain the BENEFIT and the ways to achieve it?
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January 17, 2021, 05:45:40 PM |
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From my perspective, covid is just being used by big corporations to enrich themselves. The virus itself isn't the problem, but the response is. - Lockdown kills competitions, mainly small/medium businesses. - Vaccine = instaprofit for Pfizer et al. - No job = use social media more.
If you look at the current situation, it will all lead to benefits for a group of big companies. And what is being sacrificed is the lower class society. However, if it is purely considered a conspiracy, I would agree with you that the current conditions are only used by big companies to enrich themselves. But for these diseases to be invented by themselves to create more wealth opportunities, we must have much more accurate evidence. The fact is the current pandemic has similar characteristics to the previous pandemic, namely MERS and SARS. This means that in the past the development of the Covid virus had existed, and it was estimated by WHO. We can't just believe in conspiracy theories, because every event in this world there will always be a conspiracy theory that follows it. However, from myself, I think this is just a continuation of the previous pandemic which was used by big companies to enrich themselves.
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My conspiracy theory is that Covid-19 comes from a virus jointly engineered and unleashed by the Western and Chinese elites. This theory is supported by a combination of how unlikely the virus is to be natural (as detailed by Dr Li-Meng Yan's paper) and other attending events, including what strongly appears to be cover-up:...
Interesting. I am going to quote myself on another thread: Big Tech is censoring/removing the vaxx critics, election fraud videos, deleting their accounts left and right lately.
So much for the free speech.
That's another thing that makes me suspicious. Instead of having open debates, it is about silencing those who think differently. There are several theories about the origin of the virus and the purpose it may have. I am not clear on any of them. All I'm saying is that this whole virus thing smells bad to me and that I have quite a few doubts about the official version.
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January 17, 2021, 07:43:20 PM |
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From my perspective, covid is just being used by big corporations to enrich themselves. The virus itself isn't the problem, but the response is. - Lockdown kills competitions, mainly small/medium businesses. - Vaccine = instaprofit for Pfizer et al. - No job = use social media more.
If you look at the current situation, it will all lead to benefits for a group of big companies. And what is being sacrificed is the lower class society. However, if it is purely considered a conspiracy, I would agree with you that the current conditions are only used by big companies to enrich themselves. But for these diseases to be invented by themselves to create more wealth opportunities, we must have much more accurate evidence. The fact is the current pandemic has similar characteristics to the previous pandemic, namely MERS and SARS. This means that in the past the development of the Covid virus had existed, and it was estimated by WHO. We can't just believe in conspiracy theories, because every event in this world there will always be a conspiracy theory that follows it. However, from myself, I think this is just a continuation of the previous pandemic which was used by big companies to enrich themselves. Lots of conspiracy theories that we had read up from time to time about this pandemic that it isnt real, it was intentionally created or whatsoever but basing off on the current conditions worldwide then you can really say that it is pointless to make up some conspiracies if there are really people who do dies up with this one.I dont see for it to be intentional and if it was then this is brutal thing just for the sake of making money or trying to enrich themselves for those who are on the top of the chain.Engineered or not but doesnt mean that you do let yourself too careless when it comes to health protocol. Dont let these presumptions do affect you on making up decisions whether you do believe it or not.
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In fact China previously announced that normal days had begun. Meanwhile, the impact is that other countries have even expanded Lokdown. I'm here, I don't really believe 100% that Covid 19 exists. maybe right at the beginning of its existence it was true, but if it is to this day, then it is increasingly as contrived to manipulate Chinese political action as a whole. The number of victims is not small, even countries that are not the main priority for the emergence of Covid are getting worse, namely continuing to stages 2 and three.
China today systematically hides and manipulates information about the real level of disease and spread. Today, missions and WHO representatives are still not allowed to China, who could assess the real picture of the spread of the virus in China, the presence of other strains of the virus ... For the Chinese economy, objective information about the extent of the disease and the spread of Covid19 is not very beneficial.
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January 17, 2021, 09:51:10 PM |
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From my perspective, covid is just being used by big corporations to enrich themselves. The virus itself isn't the problem, but the response is. - Lockdown kills competitions, mainly small/medium businesses. - Vaccine = instaprofit for Pfizer et al. - No job = use social media more.
We couldn't care less if it's engineered or not, because what's more important here is to find a way to eradicate this virus and the divide it has created in our society. The virus may well be created by China to gain economic power over USA which is its primary rival nowadays, but don't let this distract you from the fact that the virus is real, the casualties it has dealt is not fabricated, and the dangers that the virus could bring to you and to everyone around you shouldn't be downplayed.
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