Cloudbet should no longer be allowed on bitcointalk- a danger to community

[efxes]

I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/bc45fb9115e5ecbed7b7dad9e451c17199af77fc4c9f7f2271dca4184b3c6d48
2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/85681098d5a25c32d13c51594b16be6c7eb5719f75778fed1fefc760583f4f03
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a710344ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cf139d036a7b561e940ccf9e0e2419a70838805b302771192100e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b1e4b40416eb4f471ed66ee7c5fd5679cee39f38b7240660ad5e0db6bd854528


From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cfafbb8455234532e8a25dd849d26b4755ab7c5e87e6acc0e3552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3



So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet


NOTE:  MODS, i deleted any links other than the transaction histories.

[efxes]

I'm almost positive this guy owns Cloudbet.  This is from SBRforum.

[johhnyUA]

I remember it correctly sportbet even got lot of scam accusation by people but at the end the mistake was commited by themselves because they didn't give much attention to their ToS while playing there.

There was some accusation, but they were resolved peacefully. Some time ago i thought in the same way and DarkStar clarify situation with a SportBet to me (that with them everything is fine, users were given their money back)

[efxes]

I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  fighting to take money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html




Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.

[efxes]

Again, guys. Cloudbet obviously wants this argument to be whether or not I was in the USA or Mexico. It plays in their favor. Red Apples is so blatant in having some sort of financial gain in me not being paid or smushing my power to speak up against Cloudbet.

But in the end, USA or not doesn't matter. Because I should be at least owed the decency of being returned my last deposits. Not freerolled.

Again: I should at least have the decency of being returned my last deposits on the account, and not freerolled- so return the account balance now.

[efxes]

I need the deposits back.  I'm destitute, broke.  Cloudbet broke me.  I need the money because I don't have any.  I'm broke.  I need it back, it's unfair what they are doing, they stole from not just me but from the community.  

I'm not the one with the website, I just have given my info and story to him, he's been helping me.  I think he'll continue on after this to make sure more people are paid and also stopping people from being scammed by this site that will never ever change their ways.

Cloudbet: I am advising you to get in touch with SBRforums immediately in order to have my rep Brad work with you in order to get me paid. Let's get this done. SBR are my boys they know what to do, they side with books but also with players let's please do what we can to get this done. You have insulted Sportsbookreview by not responding to the requests to talk to senior management.

[efxes]

Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.

[efxes]

Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.

On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

This is the BCH wallet address.  I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.

[efxes]

I had an account 18 months before I made the efxes@producehits.com account.  I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

So 18 months later I made the efxes@producehits.com account on a VPN.  I had never been KYC'd before.

According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:






you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing


In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account.  Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.





Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:






https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing





Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:





So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.



I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.



This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses











I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real.  I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account.  I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



Again:

Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing

All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing




So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet.  They closed my account since I used it from USA.  I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet.  So yes, I had two accounts.  But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways.  So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.




If you don't want to click into the spreadsheet and you want to see all the proof of the deposits and withdrawals on the johncoltrane44@gmail.com

here is the imgur post with 240 deposits from 2017 to January of 2019
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG

[efxes]

[efxes]

Email screenshots of withdrawals on 4 year old account (~30 withdrawals): https://imgur.com/a/tUUxi0e
Email screenshots of deposits on 4 year old account johncoltrane44@gmail.com (~200 deposits): https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG
Spreadsheet of deposits and withdrawals of johncoltrane44@gmail.com with links to each imgur: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing



This means I'm still down over .9 bitcoins even if I was paid out, yet cloudbet said in their post on the subject that i had withdrawn more than my deposits. clearly this is untrue. also in the past they have delayed like this and ended up paying, in similar cases. all i ask is they look at this info again, now that this info has come to light, so they can see they're making a mistake, and that I should be due my deposits back.

[efxes]

i have provided evidence that this is false (above). awaiting cloudbets response

[efxes]

Ethically no, but legally yes and the word rob should not be used here because they mentioned it clearly on their ToS so they can freeze and terminate your account without any further questions.Thi is not new, traditional banks are doing this, coinbase done this and lot other crypto related platform terminate your account and release your funds or not is based on their own decision and literally you can't force them to give the money back because you are broken now.

I also want to change my tone and apologize to Cloudbet for breaking their TOS and providing false information.

I still would like a response to the new info that is coming to light now that I am bringing all the facts to the table.  I appreciate any understanding and forgiveness from Cloudbet and the community as well for being angry and accusatory when I was the one breaking terms of service.

[smyslov]

You can do a compromise to erase all your accusations or lock your thread or update that the issues are resolved if they give you money back  your chances is still 50/50 here because this is $15000 and it's huge money, I'd like to think that it's the end for Cloudbet and I will warn any of my friends to avoid this gambling site.

[efxes]

You can do a compromise to erase all your accusations or lock your thread or update that the issues are resolved if they give you money back  your chances is still 50/50 here because this is $15000 and it's huge money, I'd like to think that it's the end for Cloudbet and I will warn any of my friends to avoid this gambling site.

It's so true man, thank you for your kind words, they really mean more than you know.

[efxes]

Hi all,

There has been some discontent in the forums and we would like to take this opportunity to clear a few issues up.

Firstly, please be reminded that Cloudbet does NOT accept any USA players.

USA players are blocked from registering accounts, and are blocked from making bets. If any player from USA attempts to make an account, they see a message saying USA players are prohibited and are not able to sign up.

To reiterate, players from USA are NOT allowed on Cloudbet.

If we have strong reason to believe that a player has deliberately and willingly circumvented our terms of service by connecting from USA (or another restricted territory), we freeze their account while we conduct an investigation, and ask the player to provide documentation on their residency. Please note that this is only when we strongly suspect that a player has connected from USA, ie, there is specific evidence to suggest this.

In most cases, the player is cooperative and provides us with accurate documentation about their account and residency. If they are a USA resident, we close their account permanently, and return their account balance. This has been the case with several vocal users in the forum. Sometimes this can take some time, as every case is slightly different, but is always resolved eventually provided the player furnishes us with accurate information.

If they are connecting from a non-restricted country, we reopen their account and they can resume using their account without limitation.

Please note that in all cases where the player has cooperated, they have received their entire account balance, and had their accounts closed only if they were connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction (or there was a separate unrelated issue). If any forum members in this situation would come forward and confirm receipt of their account balances in full, this would be appreciated.

However - on rare occasions, the player is NOT cooperative and provides us with deliberately falsified or fraudulent information. In these cases, our investigations are significantly more complicated and time consuming.


There is one specific case that has received a lot of attention from the community - Swofty - as the dollar amount is particularly large. Here is our comment on the case:

• As we have a duty of privacy to all of our players, we are limited in what we can share. The player may have shared some details, but we are not able to share any specifics or personal data.
• That said, we can share definitively that the player has knowingly and deliberately provided untruthful, falsified and fraudulent information to both Cloudbet and the community.
• The account holder is NOT the person that he/she states it is, nor are they in the location they state.
• The player also knowingly and deliberately circumvented our terms of service by connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction.
• The reason the player has not been paid yet is entirely to do with them circumventing our terms of service and providing falsified and fraudulent information, and nothing to do with our bitcoin liquidity (more on that below).
• As the customer provided us with definitively falsified information, we suggested they reach out to Curacao Egaming - with whom we hold a licence - for assistance. This is the correct escalation for any player issues.
• We intend to resolve this issue in a manner completely fair to everyone once we receive truthful and accurate information from the player.
• It appears as if the player is now cooperating, so we hope to have a resolution to this case soon.

We have been encouraged by the way the community has responded to rally behind the player and help hold Cloudbet accountable, however in this case the player has not been truthful with the community. We encourage the player to share a more accurate story.


Separately, concerns have been raised about Cloudbet's ability to service the player's withdrawal immediately. You needn’t be concerned - we hold enough funds to cover all of our player balances several times over, and we would never accept a bet that we could not pay in full immediately. We have been around since 2013 and have always celebrated our largest winners, and paid extremely promptly.

We would like to address this in the way requested by the community -- a signed message from a wallet that holds sufficient funds to cover any liabilities that may be due to this player.

We have signed a message from a wallet holding ~1157 BTC. All outputs spent to this wallet are from wallets that belong to us, and had not moved in over a year (we sent them to a single wallet for the purpose of this exercise) so they are not newly acquired coins.  We would be happy to sign another message from any of the source wallets to prove ownership if required.

Wallet: 16vk7DahVgj4VsfKKdr1pG3QJ9FvzXpdJN
Message: cloudbet.com // no USA players allowed
Signature: HxO5QwkA/UNVePahBUzYgWL4Zz5syTC1H6/LeHICsvW0MYG9Q+PgOjNbzVXgXsLbadzFO2wLlz25nsbaXkeTXo4=

You can verify the above message in your bitcoin client, or by using the web interface here

I hope that addresses the community's immediate concerns. If anybody has any further questions or follow-up, please feel free to contact us directly via our support channels, or post a reply in this thread and we will do our best to address them in a timely manner.

Once more, to reiterate, Cloudbet does NOT accept USA players.

Thanks for your continued support, patience, and diligence.

The Cloudbet Team

here is the similar case, almost the SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ME, AND THE GUY WAS EVEN UP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125 if cloudbet paid this guy 330btc why cant they pay me?

[Boris007]

here is the similar case, almost the SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ME, AND THE GUY WAS EVEN UP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125 if cloudbet paid this guy 330btc why cant they pay me?

That case was in 2019, and this is 2020, many things have changed from that time. More powerful sportsbook like FJ, SB , Stake.com has taken the ecosystem. I also dont believe that they paid him 330 BTC but there might be some deal inbetween them as the user was clearly a US resident.

Cloudbet has lost the race with SB and Stake.

[efxes]

here is the similar case, almost the SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ME, AND THE GUY WAS EVEN UP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125 if cloudbet paid this guy 330btc why cant they pay me?

That case was in 2019, and this is 2020, many things have changed from that time. More powerful sportsbook like FJ, SB , Stake.com has taken the ecosystem. I also dont believe that they paid him 330 BTC but there might be some deal inbetween them as the user was clearly a US resident.

Cloudbet has lost the race with SB and Stake.

I agree, it seems that they needed the money so they took the chance to take some back when I deposited a large amount.  I'm hoping they re-look at the case in the other thread.  We are waiting on what they say about it. 

[Maasdamer]

here is the similar case, almost the SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ME, AND THE GUY WAS EVEN UP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125 if cloudbet paid this guy 330btc why cant they pay me?

That case was in 2019, and this is 2020, many things have changed from that time. More powerful sportsbook like FJ, SB , Stake.com has taken the ecosystem. I also dont believe that they paid him 330 BTC but there might be some deal inbetween them as the user was clearly a US resident.

Cloudbet has lost the race with SB and Stake.

I agree, it seems that they needed the money so they took the chance to take some back when I deposited a large amount.  I'm hoping they re-look at the case in the other thread.  We are waiting on what they say about it. 

You always claim the 330btc situation is the same as yours but you cannot be more wrong.

You have been banned years ago and knew you are not allowed to play. But still you made another account and played again, that's just stupid.
The other guy only had his 1 account and then the problem came up.

See the difference?

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You always claim the 330btc situation is the same as yours but you cannot be more wrong.

You have been banned years ago and knew you are not allowed to play. But still you made another account and played again, that's just stupid.
The other guy only had his 1 account and then the problem came up.

See the difference?

look, i know the situation is not EXACTLY the same. however, it is similar. and there are points about that case that actually HELP me. the other guy was a lifetime winner, he deposited 150btc i believe and was up 180btc. im a lifetime LOSER. so my case is actually stronger than the other guy on that point. my case is weaker on the point that i already had an account, i fully admit that and have come clear 100% with all the information accurate now. sure, i broke that TOS in addition. however, overall my case is much stronger than the 330btc guy and i cant understand why he got paid and i didnt. does cloudbet have liquidity problems? have they signed a wallet with a large balance in a while? i truly cannot understand and the community should be starting to ask these questions as well


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Still no word from Cloudbet.  I've ceased flaming and apologized for presenting mis-leading and false facts about the case.  Now with the updated facts awaiting further review of the case from team Cloudbet and really hoping we can come to a resolution.  I still believe precedent from past cases should play a role given the new facts presented above in the case.  Awaiting word from Cloudbet, thank you for those supporting this case to this point.


Note:  i want to clarify that I've never once been banned from cloudbet.  They asked for documents on the first account, I didn't send them because I don't like sending documents.  2 years later I made another account and here we are.