Does China plan to go communist?

[hatshepsut93]

I believe the Chinese government understands that communism is a failed economic theory, they have their own experience and experience of the neighboring Soviet union. China is really scared of failure, they don't want the repeat of the century of humiliation, so they won't be taking any huge risks with their economy.

Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

In the age of nuclear weapons the military conflicts happen between smaller countries, or between big countries and small countries. So, of course China will always be a military threat to all its neighbors, but I doubt they'll be able to have global presence like the US does.

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[goaldigger]

All the mentioning about communism, I think you’re hallucinating some sort of miracle, they have been communist forever, nobody can own anything in a communism, it’s make sense to joke around “thank for your corporation”, yup, can’t even own a corporation or a business, absolutely everything nobody can own them, not even owning virtual product such as copyright entitlement, shocking?

What's the potential of tiktok moving to London though? How would that actually work, would the UK buy the company from the Chinese government or is that company allowed to own stuff.

Tiktok is not owned by Chinese government, its privately owned and created by a Chinese billionaire, But I still believe on a communist party, the government still control everything so if Tiktok can't just sell it as easy as that. Chinese government are getting stronger, economically and politically and since then they are already a communist country who aims more power along south China sea.

[proTECH77]

Sometimes it look as if China want to go on communist not knowing that they are operating on communist over some years because communist economic has improved the government in a higher level.
Communist economic has never fail China,that is why they make communist economic strong than any other things in the country. I think China will remain in communist economic, when nobody own business or company anywhere in the country.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Tiktok is not owned by Chinese government, its privately owned and created by a Chinese billionaire, But I still believe on a communist party, the government still control everything so if Tiktok can't just sell it as easy as that. Chinese government are getting stronger, economically and politically and since then they are already a communist country who aims more power along south China sea.

Tiktok was banned in my country (India) a few months back. Now other countries are also banning it, due to Chinese links. Even if it is not directly owned by the Chinese government, I think the other jurisdictions must ban such Chinese apps. A lot of people claim that these apps leak personal data to the Chinese authorities. Even if that is not the case, Chinese apps should not be allowed in other countries, since foreign brands face a lot of restrictions in China.

[Mauser]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

For me a country a with only one political party and one person on top of that party controlling everything sounds more like a dictatorship than a socialist republic. The peoples republic of China was communist 80 years ago and is so today in my opinion. So many features of China today are text book communism.

For example, China uses central planning to manage their economy and their 1.2bn people. Political censorship is very common in China, just look at all the Apps being banned, there is no free Internet in China too. The chinese currency is not freely traded, it's controlled by the government (i.e. political party, or in particular the head of the party).

So in my opinion China transition into communism when Mao took over the other Chinese minors.

[todiefor17]

Communism will not be able to give them the development they are today and they will not do it. They have tolerated capitalist knowledge as commodity trading and economic opening. Nowadays, free trade is the normal way of economic development and it is the driving force for each country.
Even Vietnam abandoned the communist model completely and embraced socialism in 1986. It should be admitted that these countries have done very well in economic development.

[ampu]

They have only one party led by the communist party and they are leading the Chinese economy very well. The current communist model countries are following the path of partial capitalism integration. They accept national opening and receive investment from abroad. I think the exploitation is still going on but to a certain extent. They are doing their job well.
We see that they had a period of economic stagnation because of the collective economy and the dominant state economy. Now they have more economic sectors and they are thriving.

[ReiMomo]

I guess Communism is not new to China. Ever since China is acting as communism. Their economics revolves around the decision of their government. It's just that today, the President today is trying to emphasize it as their strategy.

They just looked like capitalism but they are not. It's just that they have enough capitals to fund anyone. But for me, who cares, as long as I'm not from the country of China, I'm lucky enough.

[wack slacker]

Communism is the target of any country that follows the socialist path. First, they have to go through socialist and then go on to a communist society. The communist society is the society in which human consciousness reaches the highest degree of self-awareness.
I think they are developing socialism like Vietnam. There is a need to develop infrastructure and infrastructure as well as a superstructure to advance into a communist society.
In the old period in the years 1950-1980, they tried to follow the model of communism like the Soviet Union but could not do it because people were not educated to do difficult jobs and rich in knowledge.
They innovated and learned from western countries to become better. As we can see they are growing rapidly and vigorously.

[davinchi]

Interestintg topic, I mean I assumed everybody knew that china was a communist country for over 7 decades now, that is over 70 years of being communist, how did you managed to not hear about that at all? Sure there are smaller nations we have no idea how they are ruled as well, I have no idea how Nicaragua is ruled, but this is China, they are one of the most famous nations in the entire world, for better or worse they are known by almost everyone, how did you hear about China but not about communism?

Also it is not communism that ends bad, it is dictatorship that ends bad, Soviet Union had dictatorship, and almost all fascist and communist radical nations in the world have authoritarian regime, which is why I believe only few places like Cuba is good.

[bryant.coleman]

Interestintg topic, I mean I assumed everybody knew that china was a communist country for over 7 decades now, that is over 70 years of being communist, how did you managed to not hear about that at all? Sure there are smaller nations we have no idea how they are ruled as well, I have no idea how Nicaragua is ruled, but this is China, they are one of the most famous nations in the entire world, for better or worse they are known by almost everyone, how did you hear about China but not about communism?

Also it is not communism that ends bad, it is dictatorship that ends bad, Soviet Union had dictatorship, and almost all fascist and communist radical nations in the world have authoritarian regime, which is why I believe only few places like Cuba is good.

Apparently you didn't give enough attention to the post from OP. Here are the major points:

1. China is having a Marxist system in place now, which is transitioning to pure Communism
2. OP is worried that in case they implement socialist policies, then innovation and free market may take a hit
3. What will happen to the Chinese military, in case they implement the Socialist policies.

I would rather disagree with the OP. Socialist policies existed in China for at least 7 decades. And from the 1990s onward, they have been sidelining these policies, and implementing pseudo-capitalist measures. So actually the Chinese economy is transitioning from a Marxist system to a Capitalist system, and not from a Marxist one to a Socialist one.

Socialism is a failed ideology. The Chinese understand this.

[Dorodha]

China is far ahead in terms of communism they are planning to improve as they are associated with various communists. Chinese communism is very old in such a situation the goal of both sides should be to focus on increasing trade in line with strategic security. Fields like technology from which trade is less but creates more tension are to be controlled. These sectors will require meticulous investigation and international security certification as the United Kingdom has tried with Huawei. It may not work perfectly but it will at least enrich trade in other sectors.

[abhiseshakana]

I would rather disagree with the OP. Socialist policies existed in China for at least 7 decades. And from the 1990s onward, they have been sidelining these policies, and implementing pseudo-capitalist measures. So actually the Chinese economy is transitioning from a Marxist system to a Capitalist system, and not from a Marxist one to a Socialist one.

Socialism is a failed ideology. The Chinese understand this.

Like Laissez Faire, true Communism is also only a utopia. Communism is an economic and political ideology and a central requirement that the government be the central owner and decision maker in all matters. But in a true communist system, we will have no money and we will only be given what the government thinks we need in terms of food, clothing, accommodation. All property is considered public property and effectively no personal property or property owned by individuals. The key weakness in the Communist model is the lack of motivation as it will have no impact or benefit on them. Communism completely eliminates class distinctions because everyone is treated effectively the same. And the radical revolution with violence is the way to destroy the existing system.

If communism is fully adopted in China and the doctrine of communism has been adhered to from a young age, then it is certain that the Chinese military will be stronger because each individual believes that the government's decision is the main thing.

[stompix]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

I believe that China is as communist as the DDR (East Germany) was democratic. The moment you allow private business ownership you're basically saying goodbye to true communism, the name is pretty clear you can't have communis with private ownership, China is simple a one-party authoritarian regime with a somewhat free-market economy, and rather than leaning toward communism, I see them going more national socialist.

Communist economic has never fail China,that is why they make communist economic strong than any other things in the country.

Have you heard of the Great Jump Headfirst in the Ravine, oh sorry, The Great Leap Forward , just some 50 million deaths, nothing failed there.

[FanEagle]

Has China ever been anything apart from a communist state? There are about four countries that I know that are communist countries, and China is one of them; the rest are Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam. Unless maybe I don’t really get how this communism of a thing works or something, but I have always known China to be one of the communist countries.

The first time I got to know about this was from an article that I read a long time ago that was talking about China and how it started and all that. According to the article China was founded in 1949, and by a communist leader (sorry I can’t remember his name), so that communism has always been there.

[STT]

It'd be more accurate to say China has never had communism, its the equality of all and unfortunately quite impossible on a national scale due to human nature.   They do have a military dictatorship based on the marxist russian system of killing of any opponents who say differently to the central committee.   It would be quite insulting to say they are capitalist or communist just a system based off violence of the powerful over those less supported, nothing new in the history of countries really.
   Capitalism and democracy are both exceptional and new in this history of countries and empires and have been found to be the most profitable and beneficial to the general population however both are fragile and need constant renewal to continue safely.    China is not likely to respect either or individual rights of any person unless some kind of revolution occured, I can remember in the 90's China having Famines and previously many millions died so there is no grand legacy to their system.   In recent years China realised one of their greatest assets to trade internationally was labour, they do not have oil or energy especially but have developed through trading.

[gentlemand]

They have uncovered the pleasures of combining the fruits of unfettered capitalism along with reserving the right to torture, oppress and slaughter whoever the hell they feel like. I'll bet most governments look on at that combination with a great deal of envy.

Why would they give up either of those abilities? Throw in a population that mainly doesn't seem to mind and it kinda looks like the future, sadly. The candy ass West has given them the tech to steal and the money to get rolling while at the same time started to commit slow cultural suicide which they must find highly amusing to watch. They'll steamroller us lot soon enough.

[Darker45]

China has already transitioned into a hybrid form of society several decades ago. Apparently, it is not a democracy, but neither is it a communist country if we try to consider the basic tenets of both systems of government.

Fortunately, their peculiar system of government works best for them. It may not be true to the ordinary Chinese citizen as far as things such as freedom or human rights and the like are concerned, but to a certain extent the absolute control of the government over its citizens has produced impressive economic progress.

This is probably what is truly important to the ruling party. And so I don't think there is a coming transition in the foreseeable future. There appears to be no strong reason for them to make a u-turn when development is currently overflowing.   

[drlukacs]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

it will be a very sad end for the Chinese people in the future if the periods of communism are completed. The Chinese government has great ambitions and they will sacrifice whatever they can to boost China's growth.
I fear that they will be a great power in the future, but with no humanity. That would be a huge disaster for the world because the country of China is not small, they can affect a lot in other countries.

[Ozero]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.

.... Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

I believe so. I think their innovations are still underrated since many of the Chinese products sold are imitations and not durable.

It seems to me that China, with the influence of its former communist heritage, seeks to develop its own way and so far they have been doing quite well. The Chinese government is gradually moving away from communist ideals, the stake is on finding a new path for the development of society, and not on preserving the old political path. The communist ideology as a whole did not justify itself. Therefore, it is better to think simply about the development of society and improving the well-being of people than to invent and adhere to different political settings.
China is now one of the strongest economies in the world and the most powerful armies.
Blockchain technology and the digitized yuan do not fit into the communist ideology, however, it is correctly noted on what the country as a whole can benefit from for further development.