Does China plan to go communist?

[jackg]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

(self mod just in case I grt anti ch>nese or anti communist sentiment that I believe is TROLLISH only).

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[suchmoon]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

[Yogee]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.

.... Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

I believe so. I think their innovations are still underrated since many of the Chinese products sold are imitations and not durable.

[Lorence.xD]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

Violent suppression worked out real good in China, they are a surveillance state. China will be a red forever, the chances of having a change of heart in governance has died together with the students that died in Tianamen Square Massacre. The only thing keeping them afloat is putting a short leash on companies and their populace, they suppress companies that promote an ambitious capitalist principle and run propaganda on state owned television for their population.

[jackg]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.
.. . I think their innovations are still underrated since many of the Chinese products sold are imitations and not durable.

On the faulty products side I don't think anyone deals with that well and China might actually be doing alright. I think trading standards in the UK just destroy everything not up to cscratch. Loyal engineering firms in the UK have only been around for about 300 years (excluding tools and smiting) and German and the rest of Europe have probably 200 year old companies so itight not take long for China to see some names as recognisable as ones that already exist in older countries.

I see a lot of companies print parts in China but do quality control checks and actual assembly in the UK, Germany or the Netherlands.


And yeah they don't seem too ethical in their running of a country (probably because they're a dictatorship) no wonder they ally with North Korea so much...

[abhiseshakana]

The leadership factor greatly influences the ebb and flow of communism in China. In the Mao era, China implemented an economic policy based on socialism-communism. In principle, almost all land and production facilities belong to the state. Mao wanted to create a prosperous Chinese economy by combining the proletarian economic ideas of Karl Marx, Lenin and Stalin. Mao's version of Marxism, the revolutionary movement actually originated from the peasants, not the workers. When the pragmatic Deng came to power, China's modernization began, Deng even adopted the western capitalist model to help the Chinese economy accelerate.

Meanwhile, Xi is known as an innovator, nationalist and communist. Xi's thinking is Confucian-based socialism for a new era. The progress of China's industry and manufacturing has caused the number of workers or laborers to increase, which is a sign that China's proletarian socialists are getting stronger and dominating and creating a new wave of class conflict with the Chinese elite who are members of the Chinese communist party. The CCP is not a true communist but rather an association of Chinese corporate billionaires. Xi also ensured that private entrepreneurs armed their minds with the ideology of socialism so that they could still make money with the rules made by Xi.

The final conclusion that China is very adaptive and the role of the CCP in controlling the pillars of party power, namely the military, state-owned enterprises, the security apparatus, and the propaganda machine is very neat, structured and systematic.

[Peanutswar]

China is already a communist country and its runs for a long time

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https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/politics-of-economics/0/steps/30823

Also, they are of a capitalist country and they are one of the good copying most of the products into different countries and they are good at holding money the reason why they are one of the known countries for getting rich immediately we all know that they are the sleeping giant before they are just focusing to their selves and increasing the number of their products and becomes more productive.

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

Violent suppression worked out real good in China, they are a surveillance state. China will be a red forever, the chances of having a change of heart in governance has died together with the students that died in Tianamen Square Massacre. The only thing keeping them afloat is putting a short leash on companies and their populace, they suppress companies that promote an ambitious capitalist principle and run propaganda on state owned television for their population.

China is one of the strict countries too they have different issues with their workers too that they are forcing them to make these kinds of outcomes just to become more wealth in their country, well there are a lot of stories like this and some of them are hoax came from the different people survive this kind of dictatorship.

[dothebeats]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.

Yeah I was thinking that the Chinese don't really have this single ideology that runs through their government, and it's definitely a mix of everything sugar, spice and everything nice (lol.)

It works well for them though. considering that they are really at the top of their game and perhaps the country with the largest economic throughput and output today. I'd like to think that China is the Avatar of contemporary times, mastering what's good on different political ideologies and using it to further better their reign.

[Lucius]

Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

I have no doubt about China's ability to remain one of the top 3 countries in terms of military capability, at least when it comes to research that counts on something called the PowerIndex ('PwrIndx') score. China is currently in 3rd place behind the USA and Russia, and I think it has a very good chance of coming in second place in the future. Their strength is certainly the most in the fact that they are the most populous country in the world, so the data show that in 2019 they had a little over 2 million active soldiers + over 500 000 in reserve. They may lag a little behind in technology, but in addition to numbers, they have an ingrained mentality to blindly obey orders, as a result of their regime and what they are taught from an early age.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army

And yeah they don't seem too ethical in their running of a country (probably because they're a dictatorship) no wonder they ally with North Korea so much...

Not only with North Korea, but also with Iran, Russia and many other countries especially with those participating in the project Belt_and_Road_Initiative.

[Gozie51]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

China to me is already a communist state but maybe at the present, changes are taking place in there system with little changes in the economic and military aspect. Most countries are opening themselves to economic advancement with introduction of individual businesses with the regulation provided by the country based on the level of adoption of the Marxist economic theory. With the changes now, a country that still relies totally to the government control of financial sources of generating income will put there citizens into starvation.

This is a reason you see almost every country having someone called as the richest in the country and China is not excluded with Ma Huateng currently named as the richest in China ahead of Jack Ma

 Ma Huateng
China's richest man is the new money Internet billionaire Ma Huateng, the founder and CEO of Tencent, who recently took the top spot in China from fellow billionaire Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba. Ma Huateng is worth $52.9 billion, while Jack Ma is worth $43.9 billion, according to Forbes.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+richest+man+in+china&oq=the+richest+man+in+china&aqs=chrome..69i57.23693j0j7&client=ms-android-tecno&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#sbfbu=1&pi=the%20richest%20man%20in%20china

[Lorence.xD]

China is one of the strict countries too they have different issues with their workers too that they are forcing them to make these kinds of outcomes just to become more wealth in their country, well there are a lot of stories like this and some of them are hoax came from the different people survive this kind of dictatorship.

By strict country, you mean surveillance state, expression is limited, making foreign companies bow to their terms like NBA, citizenship points. The woking conditions are the selling point for many foreign companies to get their piece of capitalistic pie.

This is a reason you see almost every country having someone called as the richest in the country and China is not excluded with Ma Huateng currently named as the richest in China ahead of Jack Ma

  Ma Huateng
China's richest man is the new money Internet billionaire Ma Huateng, the founder and CEO of Tencent, who recently took the top spot in China from fellow billionaire Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba. Ma Huateng is worth $52.9 billion, while Jack Ma is worth $43.9 billion, according to Forbes.

Ma Huateng has a position in the government so basically his company is owned by China too. Winnie the Pooh will not let any private citizen get that much influence.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years.

Lol, that's the first thought I had when I read the title of this thread, although I wasn't aware of how long China has been under communist rule. 

They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

Yeah, I'm no political scientist by any means, but I don't think China is an example of pure communism in action.  The Soviet Union pre-1990s would probably be a better example of one. 

Yeah I was thinking that the Chinese don't really have this single ideology that runs through their government, and it's definitely a mix of everything sugar, spice and everything nice (lol.)

That's a good way of putting it. 

My knowledge of politics is piss-poor.  Is China a totalitarian regime like N. Korea is?  I'm leaning toward "yes" but I'm not completely sure.  Doesn't China have some sort of social status points system that the government tracks, which is based on social media postings and which can affect your ability to get a job, benefits, and a lot of other stuff?  I remember reading something about that a while ago, but I haven't heard much about it since.

[Febo]

Does China plan to go communist?

China political system is communist from 1949. I believe they were a monarchy before. And occupied by Japaneses during WW2. Chinese economic system was changed from central planed to capitalism in 1978. That was 12 years before east European countries. Central planing cant compete with capitalism. Development and research gets to slow because of lack of competition.

[fiulpro]

Does China plan to go communist?

China political system is communist from 1949. I believe they were a monarchy before. And occupied by Japaneses during WW2. Chinese economic system was changed from central planed to capitalism in 1978. That was 12 years before east European countries. Central planing cant compete with capitalism. Development and research gets to slow because of lack of competition.

Lack of competition?
The government specifically eliminates the completion if any and therefore if we really think about the past time , the monarchy wasn't that good for the people either.
China is not even comparable to N.Korea!!!
Even though The Chinese government is strict, the North Korea government is the worst in the world.
Apparently in China the Landlords are considered the enemies and the parties wants to free the farmer and give them power. The kids are taught from an early age that what they are doing, the kind of government they have in China is only right! They are brainwashed right from the beginning.
China is communist. Hopefully in the future they would do something better with the governmental system.

[YOSHIE]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I always claim that China is a communist country, not now, everyone knows China is a communist country since 1921.

Although China currently has eight other parties, but the current more powerful Chinese Communist Party, the other eight are under the rule of president Xi Jinping, currently occupies the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.

If you look and read the history more deeply, you will no longer doubt that since the dissolution of the Soviet Union regime in 89, they have established links with socialist parties all over the country.

From the title of your topic, I can say that China is not 'planning', it has become a communist country.

[oHnK]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

(self mod just in case I grt anti ch>nese or anti communist sentiment that I believe is TROLLISH only).

So far, what I have seen is that the leadership in China is still communist, but in running its economic system it is more capitalist than capitalist itself.  They were not pure communists as they were in the beginning.  However, the communist state has intervened, and has actually succeeded in making the giant country even more gigantic.  Even its economic strength is shaking the US country which already claims to be a super power country.  This is my reason why they will not possibly become pure communists again, because this country still has a vision of becoming a bigger country in the future.

[Febo]

Does China plan to go communist?

China political system is communist from 1949. I believe they were a monarchy before. And occupied by Japaneses during WW2. Chinese economic system was changed from central planed to capitalism in 1978. That was 12 years before east European countries. Central planing cant compete with capitalism. Development and research gets to slow because of lack of competition.

Lack of competition?

Exactly the lack of competition. In central planed economy companies survive no matter if they do well or not. If tehy have loss they just get whatever they need to repay that loss. In capitalism companies that will work bad will get closed since they will bring loss to their owners. That is why in capitalism a lot is invested in progress of products or procedures or whatever. Competition pushes progress. Central planed economy proved to not work. Chinese were much smarter then East Europeans and cancelled it 12 years before them.

[suchmoon]

Is China a totalitarian regime like N. Korea is?

Technically - no, since there are some entities, such as businesses, that are not within direct government control. But it's a very misleading distinction since the government can change the rules and clamp down on anything at any time, like they're doing in Hong Kong or Xinjiang. There is no political opposition to the communist party, there is censorship and mass surveillance, travel restrictions, concentration camps, restrictions on freedoms like religion etc etc.

Perhaps not as much personality cult as in NK but they banned Winnie the Pooh because Xi Jinping was mocked with memes like this:

[Broly46]

All the mentioning about communism, I think you’re hallucinating some sort of miracle, they have been communist forever, nobody can own anything in a communism, it’s make sense to joke around “thank for your corporation”, yup, can’t even own a corporation or a business, absolutely everything nobody can own them, not even owning virtual product such as copyright entitlement, shocking?

[jackg]

All the mentioning about communism, I think you’re hallucinating some sort of miracle, they have been communist forever, nobody can own anything in a communism, it’s make sense to joke around “thank for your corporation”, yup, can’t even own a corporation or a business, absolutely everything nobody can own them, not even owning virtual product such as copyright entitlement, shocking?

What's the potential of tiktok moving to London though? How would that actually work, would the UK buy the company from the Chinese government or is that company allowed to own stuff.