Does China plan to go communist?

[jackg]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

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[suchmoon]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

[Yogee]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.

.... Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

I believe so. I think their innovations are still underrated since many of the Chinese products sold are imitations and not durable.

[Lorence.xD]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

Violent suppression worked out real good in China, they are a surveillance state. China will be a red forever, the chances of having a change of heart in governance has died together with the students that died in Tianamen Square Massacre. The only thing keeping them afloat is putting a short leash on companies and their populace, they suppress companies that promote an ambitious capitalist principle and run propaganda on state owned television for their population.

[jackg]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.
.. . I think their innovations are still underrated since many of the Chinese products sold are imitations and not durable.

On the faulty products side I don't think anyone deals with that well and China might actually be doing alright. I think trading standards in the UK just destroy everything not up to cscratch. Loyal engineering firms in the UK have only been around for about 300 years (excluding tools and smiting) and German and the rest of Europe have probably 200 year old companies so itight not take long for China to see some names as recognisable as ones that already exist in older countries.

I see a lot of companies print parts in China but do quality control checks and actual assembly in the UK, Germany or the Netherlands.


And yeah they don't seem too ethical in their running of a country (probably because they're a dictatorship) no wonder they ally with North Korea so much...

[abhiseshakana]

The leadership factor greatly influences the ebb and flow of communism in China. In the Mao era, China implemented an economic policy based on socialism-communism. In principle, almost all land and production facilities belong to the state. Mao wanted to create a prosperous Chinese economy by combining the proletarian economic ideas of Karl Marx, Lenin and Stalin. Mao's version of Marxism, the revolutionary movement actually originated from the peasants, not the workers. When the pragmatic Deng came to power, China's modernization began, Deng even adopted the western capitalist model to help the Chinese economy accelerate.

Meanwhile, Xi is known as an innovator, nationalist and communist. Xi's thinking is Confucian-based socialism for a new era. The progress of China's industry and manufacturing has caused the number of workers or laborers to increase, which is a sign that China's proletarian socialists are getting stronger and dominating and creating a new wave of class conflict with the Chinese elite who are members of the Chinese communist party. The CCP is not a true communist but rather an association of Chinese corporate billionaires. Xi also ensured that private entrepreneurs armed their minds with the ideology of socialism so that they could still make money with the rules made by Xi.

The final conclusion that China is very adaptive and the role of the CCP in controlling the pillars of party power, namely the military, state-owned enterprises, the security apparatus, and the propaganda machine is very neat, structured and systematic.

[Peanutswar]

China is already a communist country and its runs for a long time

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https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/politics-of-economics/0/steps/30823

Also, they are of a capitalist country and they are one of the good copying most of the products into different countries and they are good at holding money the reason why they are one of the known countries for getting rich immediately we all know that they are the sleeping giant before they are just focusing to their selves and increasing the number of their products and becomes more productive.

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

Violent suppression worked out real good in China, they are a surveillance state. China will be a red forever, the chances of having a change of heart in governance has died together with the students that died in Tianamen Square Massacre. The only thing keeping them afloat is putting a short leash on companies and their populace, they suppress companies that promote an ambitious capitalist principle and run propaganda on state owned television for their population.

China is one of the strict countries too they have different issues with their workers too that they are forcing them to make these kinds of outcomes just to become more wealth in their country, well there are a lot of stories like this and some of them are hoax came from the different people survive this kind of dictatorship.

[dothebeats]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.

Yeah I was thinking that the Chinese don't really have this single ideology that runs through their government, and it's definitely a mix of everything sugar, spice and everything nice (lol.)

It works well for them though. considering that they are really at the top of their game and perhaps the country with the largest economic throughput and output today. I'd like to think that China is the Avatar of contemporary times, mastering what's good on different political ideologies and using it to further better their reign.

[Lucius]

Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

I have no doubt about China's ability to remain one of the top 3 countries in terms of military capability, at least when it comes to research that counts on something called the PowerIndex ('PwrIndx') score. China is currently in 3rd place behind the USA and Russia, and I think it has a very good chance of coming in second place in the future. Their strength is certainly the most in the fact that they are the most populous country in the world, so the data show that in 2019 they had a little over 2 million active soldiers + over 500 000 in reserve. They may lag a little behind in technology, but in addition to numbers, they have an ingrained mentality to blindly obey orders, as a result of their regime and what they are taught from an early age.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army

And yeah they don't seem too ethical in their running of a country (probably because they're a dictatorship) no wonder they ally with North Korea so much...

Not only with North Korea, but also with Iran, Russia and many other countries especially with those participating in the project Belt_and_Road_Initiative.

[Gozie51]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

China to me is already a communist state but maybe at the present, changes are taking place in there system with little changes in the economic and military aspect. Most countries are opening themselves to economic advancement with introduction of individual businesses with the regulation provided by the country based on the level of adoption of the Marxist economic theory. With the changes now, a country that still relies totally to the government control of financial sources of generating income will put there citizens into starvation.

This is a reason you see almost every country having someone called as the richest in the country and China is not excluded with Ma Huateng currently named as the richest in China ahead of Jack Ma

 Ma Huateng
China's richest man is the new money Internet billionaire Ma Huateng, the founder and CEO of Tencent, who recently took the top spot in China from fellow billionaire Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba. Ma Huateng is worth $52.9 billion, while Jack Ma is worth $43.9 billion, according to Forbes.

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+richest+man+in+china&oq=the+richest+man+in+china&aqs=chrome..69i57.23693j0j7&client=ms-android-tecno&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#sbfbu=1&pi=the%20richest%20man%20in%20china

[Lorence.xD]

China is one of the strict countries too they have different issues with their workers too that they are forcing them to make these kinds of outcomes just to become more wealth in their country, well there are a lot of stories like this and some of them are hoax came from the different people survive this kind of dictatorship.

By strict country, you mean surveillance state, expression is limited, making foreign companies bow to their terms like NBA, citizenship points. The woking conditions are the selling point for many foreign companies to get their piece of capitalistic pie.

This is a reason you see almost every country having someone called as the richest in the country and China is not excluded with Ma Huateng currently named as the richest in China ahead of Jack Ma

  Ma Huateng
China's richest man is the new money Internet billionaire Ma Huateng, the founder and CEO of Tencent, who recently took the top spot in China from fellow billionaire Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba. Ma Huateng is worth $52.9 billion, while Jack Ma is worth $43.9 billion, according to Forbes.

Ma Huateng has a position in the government so basically his company is owned by China too. Winnie the Pooh will not let any private citizen get that much influence.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years.

Lol, that's the first thought I had when I read the title of this thread, although I wasn't aware of how long China has been under communist rule. 

They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

Yeah, I'm no political scientist by any means, but I don't think China is an example of pure communism in action.  The Soviet Union pre-1990s would probably be a better example of one. 

Yeah I was thinking that the Chinese don't really have this single ideology that runs through their government, and it's definitely a mix of everything sugar, spice and everything nice (lol.)

That's a good way of putting it. 

My knowledge of politics is piss-poor.  Is China a totalitarian regime like N. Korea is?  I'm leaning toward "yes" but I'm not completely sure.  Doesn't China have some sort of social status points system that the government tracks, which is based on social media postings and which can affect your ability to get a job, benefits, and a lot of other stuff?  I remember reading something about that a while ago, but I haven't heard much about it since.

[Febo]

Does China plan to go communist?

China political system is communist from 1949. I believe they were a monarchy before. And occupied by Japaneses during WW2. Chinese economic system was changed from central planed to capitalism in 1978. That was 12 years before east European countries. Central planing cant compete with capitalism. Development and research gets to slow because of lack of competition.

[fiulpro]

Does China plan to go communist?

China political system is communist from 1949. I believe they were a monarchy before. And occupied by Japaneses during WW2. Chinese economic system was changed from central planed to capitalism in 1978. That was 12 years before east European countries. Central planing cant compete with capitalism. Development and research gets to slow because of lack of competition.

Lack of competition?
The government specifically eliminates the completion if any and therefore if we really think about the past time , the monarchy wasn't that good for the people either.
China is not even comparable to N.Korea!!!
Even though The Chinese government is strict, the North Korea government is the worst in the world.
Apparently in China the Landlords are considered the enemies and the parties wants to free the farmer and give them power. The kids are taught from an early age that what they are doing, the kind of government they have in China is only right! They are brainwashed right from the beginning.
China is communist. Hopefully in the future they would do something better with the governmental system.

[YOSHIE]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I always claim that China is a communist country, not now, everyone knows China is a communist country since 1921.

Although China currently has eight other parties, but the current more powerful Chinese Communist Party, the other eight are under the rule of president Xi Jinping, currently occupies the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.

If you look and read the history more deeply, you will no longer doubt that since the dissolution of the Soviet Union regime in 89, they have established links with socialist parties all over the country.

From the title of your topic, I can say that China is not 'planning', it has become a communist country.

[oHnK]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

(self mod just in case I grt anti ch>nese or anti communist sentiment that I believe is TROLLISH only).

So far, what I have seen is that the leadership in China is still communist, but in running its economic system it is more capitalist than capitalist itself.  They were not pure communists as they were in the beginning.  However, the communist state has intervened, and has actually succeeded in making the giant country even more gigantic.  Even its economic strength is shaking the US country which already claims to be a super power country.  This is my reason why they will not possibly become pure communists again, because this country still has a vision of becoming a bigger country in the future.

[Febo]

Does China plan to go communist?

China political system is communist from 1949. I believe they were a monarchy before. And occupied by Japaneses during WW2. Chinese economic system was changed from central planed to capitalism in 1978. That was 12 years before east European countries. Central planing cant compete with capitalism. Development and research gets to slow because of lack of competition.

Lack of competition?

Exactly the lack of competition. In central planed economy companies survive no matter if they do well or not. If tehy have loss they just get whatever they need to repay that loss. In capitalism companies that will work bad will get closed since they will bring loss to their owners. That is why in capitalism a lot is invested in progress of products or procedures or whatever. Competition pushes progress. Central planed economy proved to not work. Chinese were much smarter then East Europeans and cancelled it 12 years before them.

[suchmoon]

Is China a totalitarian regime like N. Korea is?

Technically - no, since there are some entities, such as businesses, that are not within direct government control. But it's a very misleading distinction since the government can change the rules and clamp down on anything at any time, like they're doing in Hong Kong or Xinjiang. There is no political opposition to the communist party, there is censorship and mass surveillance, travel restrictions, concentration camps, restrictions on freedoms like religion etc etc.

Perhaps not as much personality cult as in NK but they banned Winnie the Pooh because Xi Jinping was mocked with memes like this:

[Broly46]

All the mentioning about communism, I think you’re hallucinating some sort of miracle, they have been communist forever, nobody can own anything in a communism, it’s make sense to joke around “thank for your corporation”, yup, can’t even own a corporation or a business, absolutely everything nobody can own them, not even owning virtual product such as copyright entitlement, shocking?

[jackg]

All the mentioning about communism, I think you’re hallucinating some sort of miracle, they have been communist forever, nobody can own anything in a communism, it’s make sense to joke around “thank for your corporation”, yup, can’t even own a corporation or a business, absolutely everything nobody can own them, not even owning virtual product such as copyright entitlement, shocking?

What's the potential of tiktok moving to London though? How would that actually work, would the UK buy the company from the Chinese government or is that company allowed to own stuff.

[hatshepsut93]

I believe the Chinese government understands that communism is a failed economic theory, they have their own experience and experience of the neighboring Soviet union. China is really scared of failure, they don't want the repeat of the century of humiliation, so they won't be taking any huge risks with their economy.

Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

In the age of nuclear weapons the military conflicts happen between smaller countries, or between big countries and small countries. So, of course China will always be a military threat to all its neighbors, but I doubt they'll be able to have global presence like the US does.

[goaldigger]

All the mentioning about communism, I think you’re hallucinating some sort of miracle, they have been communist forever, nobody can own anything in a communism, it’s make sense to joke around “thank for your corporation”, yup, can’t even own a corporation or a business, absolutely everything nobody can own them, not even owning virtual product such as copyright entitlement, shocking?

What's the potential of tiktok moving to London though? How would that actually work, would the UK buy the company from the Chinese government or is that company allowed to own stuff.

Tiktok is not owned by Chinese government, its privately owned and created by a Chinese billionaire, But I still believe on a communist party, the government still control everything so if Tiktok can't just sell it as easy as that. Chinese government are getting stronger, economically and politically and since then they are already a communist country who aims more power along south China sea.

[proTECH77]

Sometimes it look as if China want to go on communist not knowing that they are operating on communist over some years because communist economic has improved the government in a higher level.
Communist economic has never fail China,that is why they make communist economic strong than any other things in the country. I think China will remain in communist economic, when nobody own business or company anywhere in the country.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Tiktok is not owned by Chinese government, its privately owned and created by a Chinese billionaire, But I still believe on a communist party, the government still control everything so if Tiktok can't just sell it as easy as that. Chinese government are getting stronger, economically and politically and since then they are already a communist country who aims more power along south China sea.

Tiktok was banned in my country (India) a few months back. Now other countries are also banning it, due to Chinese links. Even if it is not directly owned by the Chinese government, I think the other jurisdictions must ban such Chinese apps. A lot of people claim that these apps leak personal data to the Chinese authorities. Even if that is not the case, Chinese apps should not be allowed in other countries, since foreign brands face a lot of restrictions in China.

[Mauser]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

For me a country a with only one political party and one person on top of that party controlling everything sounds more like a dictatorship than a socialist republic. The peoples republic of China was communist 80 years ago and is so today in my opinion. So many features of China today are text book communism.

For example, China uses central planning to manage their economy and their 1.2bn people. Political censorship is very common in China, just look at all the Apps being banned, there is no free Internet in China too. The chinese currency is not freely traded, it's controlled by the government (i.e. political party, or in particular the head of the party).

So in my opinion China transition into communism when Mao took over the other Chinese minors.

[todiefor17]

Communism will not be able to give them the development they are today and they will not do it. They have tolerated capitalist knowledge as commodity trading and economic opening. Nowadays, free trade is the normal way of economic development and it is the driving force for each country.
Even Vietnam abandoned the communist model completely and embraced socialism in 1986. It should be admitted that these countries have done very well in economic development.

[ampu]

They have only one party led by the communist party and they are leading the Chinese economy very well. The current communist model countries are following the path of partial capitalism integration. They accept national opening and receive investment from abroad. I think the exploitation is still going on but to a certain extent. They are doing their job well.
We see that they had a period of economic stagnation because of the collective economy and the dominant state economy. Now they have more economic sectors and they are thriving.

[ReiMomo]

I guess Communism is not new to China. Ever since China is acting as communism. Their economics revolves around the decision of their government. It's just that today, the President today is trying to emphasize it as their strategy.

They just looked like capitalism but they are not. It's just that they have enough capitals to fund anyone. But for me, who cares, as long as I'm not from the country of China, I'm lucky enough.

[wack slacker]

Communism is the target of any country that follows the socialist path. First, they have to go through socialist and then go on to a communist society. The communist society is the society in which human consciousness reaches the highest degree of self-awareness.
I think they are developing socialism like Vietnam. There is a need to develop infrastructure and infrastructure as well as a superstructure to advance into a communist society.
In the old period in the years 1950-1980, they tried to follow the model of communism like the Soviet Union but could not do it because people were not educated to do difficult jobs and rich in knowledge.
They innovated and learned from western countries to become better. As we can see they are growing rapidly and vigorously.

[davinchi]

Interestintg topic, I mean I assumed everybody knew that china was a communist country for over 7 decades now, that is over 70 years of being communist, how did you managed to not hear about that at all? Sure there are smaller nations we have no idea how they are ruled as well, I have no idea how Nicaragua is ruled, but this is China, they are one of the most famous nations in the entire world, for better or worse they are known by almost everyone, how did you hear about China but not about communism?

Also it is not communism that ends bad, it is dictatorship that ends bad, Soviet Union had dictatorship, and almost all fascist and communist radical nations in the world have authoritarian regime, which is why I believe only few places like Cuba is good.

[bryant.coleman]

Interestintg topic, I mean I assumed everybody knew that china was a communist country for over 7 decades now, that is over 70 years of being communist, how did you managed to not hear about that at all? Sure there are smaller nations we have no idea how they are ruled as well, I have no idea how Nicaragua is ruled, but this is China, they are one of the most famous nations in the entire world, for better or worse they are known by almost everyone, how did you hear about China but not about communism?

Also it is not communism that ends bad, it is dictatorship that ends bad, Soviet Union had dictatorship, and almost all fascist and communist radical nations in the world have authoritarian regime, which is why I believe only few places like Cuba is good.

Apparently you didn't give enough attention to the post from OP. Here are the major points:

1. China is having a Marxist system in place now, which is transitioning to pure Communism
2. OP is worried that in case they implement socialist policies, then innovation and free market may take a hit
3. What will happen to the Chinese military, in case they implement the Socialist policies.

I would rather disagree with the OP. Socialist policies existed in China for at least 7 decades. And from the 1990s onward, they have been sidelining these policies, and implementing pseudo-capitalist measures. So actually the Chinese economy is transitioning from a Marxist system to a Capitalist system, and not from a Marxist one to a Socialist one.

Socialism is a failed ideology. The Chinese understand this.

[Dorodha]

China is far ahead in terms of communism they are planning to improve as they are associated with various communists. Chinese communism is very old in such a situation the goal of both sides should be to focus on increasing trade in line with strategic security. Fields like technology from which trade is less but creates more tension are to be controlled. These sectors will require meticulous investigation and international security certification as the United Kingdom has tried with Huawei. It may not work perfectly but it will at least enrich trade in other sectors.

[abhiseshakana]

I would rather disagree with the OP. Socialist policies existed in China for at least 7 decades. And from the 1990s onward, they have been sidelining these policies, and implementing pseudo-capitalist measures. So actually the Chinese economy is transitioning from a Marxist system to a Capitalist system, and not from a Marxist one to a Socialist one.

Socialism is a failed ideology. The Chinese understand this.

Like Laissez Faire, true Communism is also only a utopia. Communism is an economic and political ideology and a central requirement that the government be the central owner and decision maker in all matters. But in a true communist system, we will have no money and we will only be given what the government thinks we need in terms of food, clothing, accommodation. All property is considered public property and effectively no personal property or property owned by individuals. The key weakness in the Communist model is the lack of motivation as it will have no impact or benefit on them. Communism completely eliminates class distinctions because everyone is treated effectively the same. And the radical revolution with violence is the way to destroy the existing system.

If communism is fully adopted in China and the doctrine of communism has been adhered to from a young age, then it is certain that the Chinese military will be stronger because each individual believes that the government's decision is the main thing.

[stompix]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

I believe that China is as communist as the DDR (East Germany) was democratic. The moment you allow private business ownership you're basically saying goodbye to true communism, the name is pretty clear you can't have communis with private ownership, China is simple a one-party authoritarian regime with a somewhat free-market economy, and rather than leaning toward communism, I see them going more national socialist.

Communist economic has never fail China,that is why they make communist economic strong than any other things in the country.

Have you heard of the Great Jump Headfirst in the Ravine, oh sorry, The Great Leap Forward , just some 50 million deaths, nothing failed there.

[FanEagle]

Has China ever been anything apart from a communist state? There are about four countries that I know that are communist countries, and China is one of them; the rest are Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam. Unless maybe I don’t really get how this communism of a thing works or something, but I have always known China to be one of the communist countries.

The first time I got to know about this was from an article that I read a long time ago that was talking about China and how it started and all that. According to the article China was founded in 1949, and by a communist leader (sorry I can’t remember his name), so that communism has always been there.

[STT]

It'd be more accurate to say China has never had communism, its the equality of all and unfortunately quite impossible on a national scale due to human nature.   They do have a military dictatorship based on the marxist russian system of killing of any opponents who say differently to the central committee.   It would be quite insulting to say they are capitalist or communist just a system based off violence of the powerful over those less supported, nothing new in the history of countries really.
   Capitalism and democracy are both exceptional and new in this history of countries and empires and have been found to be the most profitable and beneficial to the general population however both are fragile and need constant renewal to continue safely.    China is not likely to respect either or individual rights of any person unless some kind of revolution occured, I can remember in the 90's China having Famines and previously many millions died so there is no grand legacy to their system.   In recent years China realised one of their greatest assets to trade internationally was labour, they do not have oil or energy especially but have developed through trading.

[gentlemand]

They have uncovered the pleasures of combining the fruits of unfettered capitalism along with reserving the right to torture, oppress and slaughter whoever the hell they feel like. I'll bet most governments look on at that combination with a great deal of envy.

Why would they give up either of those abilities? Throw in a population that mainly doesn't seem to mind and it kinda looks like the future, sadly. The candy ass West has given them the tech to steal and the money to get rolling while at the same time started to commit slow cultural suicide which they must find highly amusing to watch. They'll steamroller us lot soon enough.

[Darker45]

China has already transitioned into a hybrid form of society several decades ago. Apparently, it is not a democracy, but neither is it a communist country if we try to consider the basic tenets of both systems of government.

Fortunately, their peculiar system of government works best for them. It may not be true to the ordinary Chinese citizen as far as things such as freedom or human rights and the like are concerned, but to a certain extent the absolute control of the government over its citizens has produced impressive economic progress.

This is probably what is truly important to the ruling party. And so I don't think there is a coming transition in the foreseeable future. There appears to be no strong reason for them to make a u-turn when development is currently overflowing.   

[drlukacs]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

it will be a very sad end for the Chinese people in the future if the periods of communism are completed. The Chinese government has great ambitions and they will sacrifice whatever they can to boost China's growth.
I fear that they will be a great power in the future, but with no humanity. That would be a huge disaster for the world because the country of China is not small, they can affect a lot in other countries.

[Ozero]

It's ruled by the Communist Party of China and it's been like that for years since they opened their economy to the world. I'm still confused about the state of their government to this day. It's like a mix of Capitalism, Communism and everything in between. I don't think they'll ever switch back to complete Communism.

.... Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

I believe so. I think their innovations are still underrated since many of the Chinese products sold are imitations and not durable.

It seems to me that China, with the influence of its former communist heritage, seeks to develop its own way and so far they have been doing quite well. The Chinese government is gradually moving away from communist ideals, the stake is on finding a new path for the development of society, and not on preserving the old political path. The communist ideology as a whole did not justify itself. Therefore, it is better to think simply about the development of society and improving the well-being of people than to invent and adhere to different political settings.
China is now one of the strongest economies in the world and the most powerful armies.
Blockchain technology and the digitized yuan do not fit into the communist ideology, however, it is correctly noted on what the country as a whole can benefit from for further development.

[bits4books]

The whole Communist ideology of China is just a camouflage for a completely capitalist giant. It is profitable and convenient. In fact, from the "communism" that already existed there are some facts: really a one-party system, you can not say too much (including about Winnie the Pooh) and other censorship.
In fact, it will be technically difficult to build the "right" communism with so many people and having already tasted the beauty of capitalist relations. If China really wanted to build this, they wouldn't have turned off this path after the Cultural Revolution. But, as we can see, "something" went wrong and now it is quite a strong capitalistic state with a fairly free but still controlled market and some anachronisms (for historical and propaganda reasons).
Let's be honest, it is impossible to build a bright Communist society where it has already been tried.

[amishmanish]

China has no "plans" to go communist. It does, of course, has plans to make more of the world fall in line with its own ideologies rather than Democracy. In much of the civilized world, debate over policies and protest over mishaps is considered the necessary thing to do. In China's worldview, these are low productivity practices that breed inefficiency. They are generally hell-bent on efficiency of the workforce and getting the maximum out of people.

While this has worked great for there own people because they had this whole world market to capture, these policies will feel suffocating to anybody used to the regular freedoms of other democracies. Imagine not being able to criticize leadership, central parties or any sort of government action. China is very clear on its aim to be in a position where it can guide world policies much the same way that USA and rest of the west has done. They have an underlying current of ultra nationalism rooted in the memory of a middle kingdom which was destroyed by the west. (Opium wars, cutting of the Chinese melon). So many posters in this thread seem to have a genuine appreciation and wonderment about their "system". Just wait till it comes for you with its reverse engineered weaponry and stolen/ bribed IP based cyber-warfare.

[abhiseshakana]

Has China ever been anything apart from a communist state? There are about four countries that I know that are communist countries, and China is one of them; the rest are Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam. Unless maybe I don’t really get how this communism of a thing works or something, but I have always known China to be one of the communist countries.

The first time I got to know about this was from an article that I read a long time ago that was talking about China and how it started and all that. According to the article China was founded in 1949, and by a communist leader (sorry I can’t remember his name), so that communism has always been there.

When Deng Xiaoping masterminded China's transition to a market economy through an economic reform program by opening the door as widely as possible to foreign investors and making Special Economic Zones, it was already at odds with or deviating from the ideas of communism coined by Karl Marx and Engels.

The economic system run by Deng Xiaoping, which allowed for capitalist-style incentives at home, was not concentrated on political ideology so that economic maneuvers were more effective, but the supremacy of the Chinese communist party remained in priority. Deng also struck a deal with Reagan on democracy in China within 40 years that was crushed by Xi which ultimately sparked a trade war between America and China.

[Spaffin]

One way or another, partly China is still communist. Today there is not a single country that has a purely communist and capitalist state system. But nevertheless, China uses the communist ideology to keep its citizens within certain limits, at the same time, capitalism allows the Chinese government to raise the state to a world leader not only economically, but also politically. Democracy should not even be mentioned here, since it does not and will not exist in China.

[DrG]

China has tiered government. The bottom strata are effectively communist - the country's wealth is spread to help the greatest number of people. Massive projects like 3 Gorges. If you happen to be an outlier too bad for you. The good of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The middle strata are the ones who think they can do capitalism. I run into quite a few of these people's kids every day because they're driving Ferrari's and Lambos here in Southern California attending public school in the US because California bends over backwards for out of country money (specifically China).

The top layer are the CCP who are the billionaires and basically run the country in an oligarchy. They are allowed to keep their wealth as long as they don't step out of line. Stepping out of line results in an excommunication.

I was in Shanghai last year right before Covid was announced. The power substation my wife's grandfather built no longer bears his name and his plaque was taken down (he defected with Chiang Kai Shek). Individualism is not respected in that country.

[amishmanish]

China has tiered government. The bottom strata are effectively communist - the country's wealth is spread to help the greatest number of people. Massive projects like 3 Gorges. If you happen to be an outlier too bad for you. The good of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The middle strata are the ones who think they can do capitalism. I run into quite a few of these people's kids every day because they're driving Ferrari's and Lambos here in Southern California attending public school in the US because California bends over backwards for out of country money (specifically China).

The top layer are the CCP who are the billionaires and basically run the country in an oligarchy. They are allowed to keep their wealth as long as they don't step out of line. Stepping out of line results in an excommunication.

I was in Shanghai last year right before Covid was announced. The power substation my wife's grandfather built no longer bears his name and his plaque was taken down (he defected with Chiang Kai Shek). Individualism is not respected in that country.

That is an amazing first person account @DrG. Especially about the power substation. Must be some 50-60 years back that someone from the west had to come in and build a substation. Since then, China has really come a long way to have become self sufficient in most heavy engineering capability. I actually feel pretty envious because one thing for sure is that the centralized governance allows way more control and much better focus in delivering infrastructure and improving capabilities as a nation. In a democracy like India, there are a hundred conflicting interests from labor reforms, land acquisition issues, native people's rights to land and its resources etc etc.

What I have seen from my experience with the Chinese workers is that they are unquestioningly devoted to their task. There is always a visible supervisor kind of person and nobody dares take their hands or eyes off the work. Compare them with Indian workers who are basically kings of their own whims. When they feel like they have to deliver, they will mountains. Yet, as a supervisor, if you over-stretch your authority and make them feel less than good, the work will suffer.

[Vishnu.Reang]

When Deng Xiaoping masterminded China's transition to a market economy through an economic reform program by opening the door as widely as possible to foreign investors and making Special Economic Zones, it was already at odds with or deviating from the ideas of communism coined by Karl Marx and Engels.

The economic system run by Deng Xiaoping, which allowed for capitalist-style incentives at home, was not concentrated on political ideology so that economic maneuvers were more effective, but the supremacy of the Chinese communist party remained in priority. Deng also struck a deal with Reagan on democracy in China within 40 years that was crushed by Xi which ultimately sparked a trade war between America and China.

I don't think that Xi Jinping's policies are drastically different from that of Deng Xiaoping. The only difference now is that the Americans no longer tolerate below-the-belt tactics from China, such as commodity dumping and currency manipulation. The difference not between Deng Xiaoping and Xi Jinping. The real difference is between Donald Trump, and the American presidents before him who used to tolerate China.

[DrG]

China has tiered government. The bottom strata are effectively communist - the country's wealth is spread to help the greatest number of people. Massive projects like 3 Gorges. If you happen to be an outlier too bad for you. The good of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The middle strata are the ones who think they can do capitalism. I run into quite a few of these people's kids every day because they're driving Ferrari's and Lambos here in Southern California attending public school in the US because California bends over backwards for out of country money (specifically China).

The top layer are the CCP who are the billionaires and basically run the country in an oligarchy. They are allowed to keep their wealth as long as they don't step out of line. Stepping out of line results in an excommunication.

I was in Shanghai last year right before Covid was announced. The power substation my wife's grandfather built no longer bears his name and his plaque was taken down (he defected with Chiang Kai Shek). Individualism is not respected in that country.

That is an amazing first person account @DrG. Especially about the power substation. Must be some 50-60 years back that someone from the west had to come in and build a substation. Since then, China has really come a long way to have become self sufficient in most heavy engineering capability. I actually feel pretty envious because one thing for sure is that the centralized governance allows way more control and much better focus in delivering infrastructure and improving capabilities as a nation. In a democracy like India, there are a hundred conflicting interests from labor reforms, land acquisition issues, native people's rights to land and its resources etc etc.

What I have seen from my experience with the Chinese workers is that they are unquestioningly devoted to their task. There is always a visible supervisor kind of person and nobody dares take their hands or eyes off the work. Compare them with Indian workers who are basically kings of their own whims. When they feel like they have to deliver, they will mountains. Yet, as a supervisor, if you over-stretch your authority and make them feel less than good, the work will suffer.

China's purpose driven work ethic is both a blessing and a curse. They're able to get the job done at breakneck speeds and with incredible efficiency, but along the way they do not expand the knowledge base considerably. Compare that to the US and India where people tend to be much more creative. Elon Musk is a good example of people who fail repeatedly but learn along the way with his Falcon 9 rocket - each time learning how to improve and willing to take risks and not using conventional models (like the circus that is Tesla).

When China becomes #1 who can they continue stealing from? Eventually they will need to have ideas grow in-house or at least make friends with idea creators in US, India, Germany and so forth. Right now China is very welcoming to certain Western companies if they see they can glean some creativity to their own internal human resource. Anything they can already do in-house they have no desire for outside companies to come in.

[Nellayar]

China became a communist country back in 1921 introduced by Mao Zedong, the Father of People`s Republic of China. Therefore, China had already made communist even before the world war. When he was died, Deng Xiaoping formed the Market Socialism. Socialism is a combination of communism and capitalism wherein the economy is regulated but it advocates the means of production and etc.

As of now, China is in Modern Communism. That is why it is a question to me why OP said that it plans to go to a communist party?


Well, it does not matter anymore since China gradually adopts the idea of capitalism as many Chinese around the world becomes an entrepreneur. The sleeping giant awakes in modern era.

References:
https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/cs181/projects/2007-08/communism-computing-china/china.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=socialism+means%3F&oq=socialism+means%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.6311j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[usekevin]

Most of us know,China is a communist country since 1950.The difference is,they trying to get more communist ideology into their country.If we compare the economy,it seems some variation in their ideology.But while comparing of their schemes and political activity. You can understand it's trying to get into lenin form of communism.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Most of us know,China is a communist country since 1950.The difference is,they trying to get more communist ideology into their country.If we compare the economy,it seems some variation in their ideology.But while comparing of their schemes and political activity. You can understand it's trying to get into lenin form of communism.

For the economy, Communism is not very harmful. The problem is when Socialism gets combined with Communism. The Chinese did the smart thing by removing the socialist policies and replacing them with capitalist ones. That's the reason why they achieved so much of economic growth, while the socialist countries such as Venezuela and Cuba remained poor.

[amishmanish]

China's purpose driven work ethic is both a blessing and a curse. They're able to get the job done at breakneck speeds and with incredible efficiency, but along the way they do not expand the knowledge base considerably. Compare that to the US and India where people tend to be much more creative. Elon Musk is a good example of people who fail repeatedly but learn along the way with his Falcon 9 rocket - each time learning how to improve and willing to take risks and not using conventional models (like the circus that is Tesla).

When China becomes #1 who can they continue stealing from? Eventually they will need to have ideas grow in-house or at least make friends with idea creators in US, India, Germany and so forth. Right now China is very welcoming to certain Western companies if they see they can glean some creativity to their own internal human resource. Anything they can already do in-house they have no desire for outside companies to come in.

The idea about how China might be accepting of ideas in the future is tantalizing. Yet, i feel that China is the very anti-thesis of a global, democratic, liberal world order. India has long bore the brunt of being neighbor to such an untrustworthy country. Its like being at the gates of Mordor. They have purposely let the boundary issue longer so they can settle it on their own terms when they are at such a position. This is the same approach they take with countries and corporations. While they feel benefited from you, they will be welcoming. The gates close once they have leeched off enough. The whole "Art of War" thought is inculcated in their diplomacy as well as business.

While USA dominated the world, there was never a single defining feature of US influence. This is because of the West's emphasis on individualism. For every polluting corporation, you also had a caring society where individuals went out of their way to help the poor. US influence in helping those less fortunate than them cannot be overstated. In case of China, there is no such "individual" influence. The whole state and its production machinery, including the population is aligned to one goal, becoming a sole superpower and reclaiming its place. There is very little one should expect from China in terms of mutual benefit.

[suzanne5223]

I saw they have a president and a one party system (apparently not a dictatorship?) but they have Marxist ideologies and look to be in a transition phase to communism?

The Chinese still operate in the phase of communism cause theres no way capitalism will be used in favor of the political leader.

I'm wary of socialist control of everything as I don't think it's historically ended well in the past (eg the Soviet Union) and it could either kill or heighten innovation.

A country where communism is practise usually lead to massacre of people literally split which history said it happened in Soviet then before Mao splits from Marx but I think the people of China never learn from that history.

Does anyone know of the plans to turn China communist and how it will look once all the phases are complete? Also would you expect their military to still be able to compete well with other countries?

Only the Communist Party authorities and the organization involve will know the plan to complete all communist phase in China and I still expect their military not to compete with other countries but the common people will be affected.

Lesson of the day : Mao created Communist Party of China to safe his people from Soviet issue and also chase out  imperialism but also use the same weapon to prison labour etc. Let's keep the decentralization of Cryptocurrecy alive thats the only way we can achieve equity.

[Ludmilla_rose1995]

China characterizes its economy as Socialism with Chinese characteristics. Since late 1978, the Chinese leadership has renewed the economy from a Soviet planned economy to an economy that was market-oriented but still within the strict political framework of the Communist Party. The Chinese government is also often said to be autocratic, communist, and socialist. The communist members who winged further to the left called it the capitalist country. Indeed, the Chinese state is increasingly moving towards a free economic system.

[Argoo]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

China has long since departed from the principles of socialism and communism.  They seek and develop their own model for building a balanced society.  Of course, there are many mistakes along the way, and at the same time, the Chinese government has succeeded a lot.  Now China has one of the strongest economies and it continues to develop.  They are not afraid to experiment there.  The rapid adoption of blockchain technology and the thoughtful and thorough development of its digitized yuan are examples of this personalized approach.

[cabron]

China has been a communist dictatorship for the last 70+ years. They have embraced some capitalist concepts, like private business ownership, but the communist party retains ultimate control over everything.

China tried a more "pure" marxist/leninist version of communism back in 1950s and it didn't quite work out so I don't think they'll move back towards that. There is no plausible reason to abandon the massive economic advantage that the current system has created. More violent suppression of dissent is possible though.

China has long since departed from the principles of socialism and communism.  They seek and develop their own model for building a balanced society.  Of course, there are many mistakes along the way, and at the same time, the Chinese government has succeeded a lot.  Now China has one of the strongest economies and it continues to develop.  They are not afraid to experiment there.  The rapid adoption of blockchain technology and the thoughtful and thorough development of its digitized yuan are examples of this personalized approach.

Capitalism has completely turned out good for them, it's the only country that had completely risen from poor to being the wealthiest so far.  That Shenzhen city of them had made it the most progressive industrial city next to Hongkong.

I think having one leader almost like a dictator made them unite and aim to have one goal made China an example of what unity can do. Long term projects are built unlike having an election every 4-6 years which goals are also changed every time a new party take over.

[CarnagexD]

It's been governed by the CPC (Communist Party of China) for the past 70+ years and had since opened some capitalist concepts like private business ownerships and others which effectively boomed their economy. I do not think they will incorporate a much stricter approach than the ones they are operating under right now as it's not working. And besides, the current system works in their favor. Don't fix what is not broken.