'bitcoinst' abusing signature campaign with alt account & spamming by copy-paste

[The Cryptovator]

User bitcoinst has drawn my attention today, he has been making copy past post from some other sources directly. Since he is adding the link of the source, so I can't call it plagiarism. But my question is this the right way to copy-paste? Just visit his last 20 posts and he made 10 posts by copy-paste from other sources. Simply added the link below post even didn't add the word "source".

Surely, it's quite easy to fill weekly quota for the signature campaign by copy past since it will take two minutes to make a long post. It doesn't matter if the manager allows him to do it, but if all users follow his way then the forum will fill with the spam. It's quite surprising that even hadn't deleted advertise of sources which hasn't related to the topic.

If you visit his post history then you will notice that he has been posting this stuff for a long time. It's quite complicated for managers to make sure the every each post isn't plagiarized or badly copy-pasted. This means he is cheating campaign managers as well IMO.

I am really not posting to punish him, but as a hero member, he should avoid such behavior and should contribute to the forum as much he can. I am posting it publicly rather than send him a PM because more users will learn and could avoid such behavior. Sometimes making such as post is fine, but making more than 50% such as post really just spams to fill the weekly quota.

Edited special note: Account connected bitcoinst, spike420211 & TrevorS. Cheating on the signature campaign.

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[mindrust]

Send a PM to the campaign manger and tell him about it. If the Campaign manager is OK with his posts and the mods don't delete them, then it means it is the right way. Our opinion is not really important.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm lazy.  Who's the Bitsler campaign manager?

I have no problem with posts like he's been making recently, though it would be nice if he would add a little commentary of his own at the end, just to spark the discussion.  Personally I don't read any of the crypto news sites and I don't keep up with the mainstream financial news like I used to, so when a member creates a thread that's based around a "clipping" from an article, I usually find it interesting.  Hydrogen does the same thing in the Chipmixer campaign, except he always adds some of his own thoughts.

But the way bitcoinst is just making posts out of quotes--even if there's a reference--I'm not sure any campaign should be paying members for that.  It doesn't take much effort to find a news article and copy/paste a quote from it, add a citation, and hit the "submit" button.  And you're right, OP.  If other members catch on to the fact that he's getting paid for those kinds of posts (I'm assuming he is), we could have a mess on our hands.

[The Cryptovator]

Send a PM to the campaign manger and tell him about it. If the Campaign manager is OK with his posts and the mods don't delete them, then it means it is the right way. Our opinion is not really important.

Yea sent a PM to Yahoo62278. Hope he will take a look at this post and leave his valuable opinion. I have created this thread for open discussion. The post isn't just to a certain user, other users would be aware of the discussion as well. So of course our opinion is quite important at least for the learning purpose. Doesn't matter if the manager pays them, it depends on them. But this behavior is really bad in my opinion.

I'm lazy.  Who's the Bitsler campaign manager?

Your answer is above, but I am not blaming the manager. Because I have mentioned on the OP that it's not easy to spot such as copy-paste from each user and for each post.

 

Hydrogen does the same thing in the Chipmixer campaign, except he always adds some of his own thoughts.

No matter if someone adds a quote with his own thoughts, it's totally acceptable IMO. But bitcoinst nothing adding from his own and almost 50% post making this way.

[khaled0111]

I checked bitcoinst posts history and to be honest I don't think he is trying to cheat or abuse the sig. campaign. Besides, yahoo62278 isn't the kind of managers you can easily fool.

Here is why I think so:
     - He has been doing this for too long (since 2015 to be exact), it looks like he simply like sharing news.
     - Although he wasn't part of any sig campaign between the 24th and the 28th of September, out of the ~10 posts he made, 7 were copy-pasted articles.
     - Since he joined the bitsler campaign (5 days ago), he made 30 posts, out of which only 11 are copy-pasted articles.

[$crypto$]

This is bad behavior, which is done by members of the hero, having to put a few words in a post, it will be better than copy and paste and with the source, such behavior will be copied a lot for those who are lazy to type and at the end of the post becomes spam. Didn't he read this thread to think again?

How it's possible to create a post in between only 40 seconds

Look at him abusing words in his close-up or burspotting posts as well as his bad behavior by filling in his signature quota and I think he will continue to spam.

[yahoo62278]

Tough call here honestly. The guy is not plagiarizing, but at the same time he is not really adding any original content. Looks like most of the posts you guys are talking about really should be in the press section which are posts that I do not pay for.

I think if the user wants to continue with this type of behavior he will not be banned by the staff, but he shouldn't be paid for being a person who is putting very little effort into his posts.

I'll send him a message and let him know change his habits or find a new campaign. Thanks @Coolcryptovator.

[actmyname]

I think if the user wants to continue with this type of behavior he will not be banned by the staff, but he shouldn't be paid for being a person who is putting very little effort into his posts.

Whatever the case is, the user has shown up on my spam lists twice. In the original clearing of spam, I reported 41 of his posts, and in a more recent purge it seems the user had another 16 deleted. (in fact, the user even shows up on one of my bookmark folders labeled 'egregious one-liner spammers')

If those report messages weren't enough to act as a warning, then the user lacks self-awareness and clearly does not give even a protozoic shit about the forum.

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[Yogee]

Isn't he the same member that was caught recycling his old posts?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5272631.0

[Pffrt]

Tough call here honestly. The guy is not plagiarizing, but at the same time he is not really adding any original content.

I don't think that's something tough. If most of his posts are such spam crap, I would say it's plagiarism. Such copy paste would only be accepted if someone finds very interesting article and summarize a little and then share a link. That's how it should work. But he is solely doing this to fill the camp requirements only.
Anyway, great to see that you come forward soon and taking step.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Bitcoinst is one of the users which keep spamming in Press board with various websites, similar to jdebunt, blacky90, S3cco, crabby, HB Wallet, CoinIdol News and others. I reported all his posts containing links to articles but only a few of them were deleted. The same happened when I reported similar posts from the other above mentioned users. From all of them only CoinIdol News was banned and that happened after months while he was constantly reported by me and also by several other users.

Excepting CoinIdol, my reports for the other shillers were mostly left unhandled until they disappeared from my report history thus they will remain unhandled forever. My last action toward Bitcoinst was on September 14th, 2020 when I reported 25 of his posts: 4 were good reports, 1 bad and 20 unhandled...

As far as I see, mods take action when such shillings (spam) are done by low ranked members, but tend to tolerate the posts made by users with higher ranks, although I don't understand why.

[Findingnemo]

I think its time to add a new rule to the signature campaigns, like when someone wants to add an article or any other news content should be included inside tags

Code:

 [quote]....... article or anything which taken from other websites....[/quote] 

so it won't be counted towards the number of characters needed for that post to become eligible.

By this rule, any signature participant won't be facing any issues while sharing any important content.

[GazetaBitcoin]

That's up to each campaign's set of rules. You can't force managers to adopt such a rule. But it would be common sense that such posts shouldn't be counted as eligible for the campaign. Besides, these posts should be reported. Hopefully, if mods would see more users reporting such posts, they won't leave them unhandled anymore. I have a few hundreds of such reports left unhandled forever, as they were reported more than 30 days ago and I can't see them anymore. And, as far as I know, mods don't see them anymore as well if they were reported more than 30 days ago.

[The Cryptovator]

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Thanks for your opinion, hope more users/campaign participants will be aware of theses kind posting behavior.

I think its time to add a new rule to the signature campaigns, like when someone wants to add an article or any other news content should be included inside tags

Nah, it doesn't necessarily add such as new rules. There are already rules "spam post has not been counting by any managers" especially on bitcoin campaign. The post would be low quality and sometimes manager considers counting. But fully copy-pasted without own thoughts is pure spam. Even you are posting it on press section should not badly be copy-pasted. Either you should post only a link or post in between quotes.

Besides, these posts should be reported. Hopefully, if mods would see more users reporting such posts, they won't leave them unhandled anymore.

Wrong, if someone isn't breaking forum rules somehow then moderators will not take any action. It doesn't matter if a thousand user reports against him, still report will be unhandled.

[Rikafip]

Hopefully, if mods would see more users reporting such posts, they won't leave them unhandled anymore. I have a few hundreds of such reports left unhandled forever, as they were reported more than 30 days ago and I can't see them anymore. And, as far as I know, mods don't see them anymore as well if they were reported more than 30 days ago.

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At best, examples provided be @Coolcryptovator  should be seen as low value posts, and imho, should be dealt accordingly, and in this came it means deleting such posts. No personal comment on topic, just c/p pieces of articles. All we need is army of newbies sharing articles and getting away with it. Who knows, maybe then we would see some change.

As far as I see, mods take action when such shillings (spam) are done by low ranked members, but tend to tolerate the posts made by users with higher ranks, although I don't understand why.

Well that sucks if that's really the case. You would expect something like that from newbies, but higher ranking member should know better. Low value post is low value, no matter who wrote it, or in this case copied.

I think its time to add a new rule to the signature campaigns, like when someone wants to add an article or any other news content should be included inside tags

Code:

 [quote]....... article or anything which taken from other websites....[/quote] 

so it won't be counted towards the number of characters needed for that post to become eligible.

This rule should be introduced not just for signature campaigns, but for posting in general. Verbatim copying should be inside quotation marks, since bitcointalk has very strict stance towards plagiarism, and that is generally seen as such (not here though).

Wrong, if someone isn't breaking forum rules somehow then moderators will not take any action. It doesn't matter if a thousand user reports against him, still report will be unhandled.

Rule nr 1

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

What's the value of the post if you just copy everything, without providing any personal comment?  That way I can share news about just about anything, without knowing squat about the subject.

[lovesmayfamilis]

User bitcoinst from Russian local section. There are rules written in black and white that say:

Messages must be original. "Stuffing" the number of messages made by the copy-paste principle from another resource is unacceptable. Such messages fall under the first paragraph of the rules.

7. Cooбщeния дoлжны быть opигинaльными. "Haбивaниe" кoличecтвa cooбщeний cдeлaнныx пo пpинципy кoпи-пacтa c дpyгoгo pecypca нeдoпycтимo. Пoдoбныe cooбщeния пoдпaдaют пoд пepвый пyнкт пpaвил.

Unfortunately, in the English section, I did not find amendments to such rules.
This is a very common occurrence, which clearly indicates the cunning of those who write such posts. The Internet is open, anyone can find any information on the web, but this should not be the rule for creating messages in subscription companies.

We all understand the subtext with which such messages are created. If this is taken for messages of low quality, in this case, informing the moderators will be absolutely correct.

[YOSHIE]

User bitcoinst has drawn my attention today,

I often see members post like that, most of them are too lazy and have more than 1-2 accounts that they manage, posts like that are super fast alternatives.

If you don't believe, just look below:

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233355.msg55204715#msg55204715
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2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230893.msg55267545#msg55267545
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Account Alt he also did the same post and I think @bitcoinst, a trader outside this forum: he sells watches And also the iPhone 6s Gold

That's what happens when managing multiple accounts to cover post sig.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Hopefully, if mods would see more users reporting such posts, they won't leave them unhandled anymore. I have a few hundreds of such reports left unhandled forever, as they were reported more than 30 days ago and I can't see them anymore. And, as far as I know, mods don't see them anymore as well if they were reported more than 30 days ago.

At best, examples provided be @Coolcryptovator  should be seen as low value posts, and imho, should be dealt accordingly, and in this came it means deleting such posts. No personal comment on topic, just c/p pieces of articles. All we need is army of newbies sharing articles and getting away with it. Who knows, maybe then we would see some change.

A similar subject was also discussed in Nina Lyon's topic where she was questioning why CoinIdol was banned (yes, lol). At some point, hilariousetc said that in his opinion Press board should be locked. I totally agree with him. We can avoid a lot of such spam if that board is closed.

As far as I see, mods take action when such shillings (spam) are done by low ranked members, but tend to tolerate the posts made by users with higher ranks, although I don't understand why.

Well that sucks if that's really the case. You would expect something like that from newbies, but higher ranking member should know better. Low value post is low value, no matter who wrote it, or in this case copied

Oh well...take a look at this picture

[Stalker22]

Yes, such copy/pasted posts should be restricted to the press section only.
Copying of other sources should be allowed only in the case when it is used to strengthen a certain point of view, but in that case the correct citation should be used, as Rikafip has already said.

If I were the moderator, I would remove posts like this according to the 'low value' rule.

[The Cryptovator]

Seems a few more users doing the same thing on the press section. For example, Karartma1, I have noticed nine posts made by him the first page in the press section. He is also from on Bitsler campaign, but the good thing is Yahoo62278 does not count post from that section as he said in the above post. Posting style almost the same just copy-pasting directly and add the link only.

If you don't believe, just look below:

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233355.msg55204715#msg55204715
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2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230893.msg55267545#msg55267545
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That means he is controlling multiple accounts, so its expected from such users.