If you received a merit...

[suchmoon]

... it likely means that:

• You made a post and someone thought it's a good post, or perhaps someone clicked the wrong button.

It doesn't mean that:

• Anyone else thinks it's a good post.
• Anyone likes your post or you.
• Anyone agrees with your post or with you.
• Your post is right or righteous.
• You're not a shitposter.
• You're trustworthy.
• You're not dumb.
• Your post doesn't break the forum rules.
• You'll get any more merits for that post or any post.
• You should try making more such posts.
• You should pester other users for merit.

Just some inspirational-motivational thoughts for your Monday. May or may not be based on a true story.

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[LoyceV]

I like it, I still sometimes see people who think Merit means I endorse something. Allow me to add a few from my perspective:

If I Merit your post, it doesn't mean:

• I endorse what you're offering
• I trust you
• Someone else should trust you based on my Merit
• I like you

It could mean:

• The post is worth reading
• The post says a lot about you
• I want to encourage you
• I think you're a real user with a real question/problem
• You're not a spammer
• You made a very good post and deserve a lot of Merit
• I clicked the wrong button^* (it has happened)
• You deserve to Rank up and I my source sMerit needs emptying

^* Using suchmoon's words

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It doesn't mean that:

• Anyone agrees with your post or with you.
• Your post is right or righteous.
• You're trustworthy.
• You're not dumb.

I like it, I still sometimes see people who think Merit means I endorse something. Allow me to add a few from my perspective:

If I Merit your post, it doesn't mean:

• I endorse what you're offering

I clipped some of the list items out, but the ones I quoted are important to understand.  There was a case of someone getting red-tagged by a DT member because the DT member doesn't like the merited member, and I think that's inappropriate.  I think Theymos even got upset that there was some merit distributed to a member whose name I can't recall.  It was recently, I think.

I've given merits to OgNasty, TECSHARE, and even Quickseller (I think), even though I don't have positive feelings about any of them in general.  Sometimes a post is good, makes a lucid point and deserves a merit or two, and in those cases I put my feelings aside, hard as it might be sometimes. 

[AB de Royse777]

I guess the original thought was about receiving a merit from Suchmoon but inspired by LoyceV's post here what I do and don't mean.

If I give you merit(s) then this possibly do means:
- It's a post worth reading for me
- I learnt something new from your post
- You engaged in a discussion
- You did some research and the post is informative
- You helped someone with the information they have asked
- You solved a problem
- You did something good for the community
- I wanted to encourage you to create more posts
- I went through your post history and found out that you deserve ranking up

Possibly do not mean:
- It might not worth reading for anyone else.
- I agree with your view or thoughts
- I am endorsing your suggestion or statement
- A good relation between you and me
- I am emptying my sMerits
- Clicked in the wrong button, I am very careful when I send out merit.

PS: You might find some take and cut from the idea with the users above my post since I read their responses and my post could reflect some idea from them.

PPS: This is not a complete list.

[suchmoon]

Well, the merit cycling club is almost all here (o_e_l_e_o clearly looks down upon Meta lately) so you know everything above is 100% factual

The silver lining here is that basically this means you can get merit regardless of all that stuff. The only thing that truly kills merit earning is being an annoying prick, since that often leads to being ignored. Don't be an annoying prick.

[AB de Royse777]

Well, the merit cycling club is almost all here (o_e_l_e_o clearly looks down upon Meta lately) so you know everything above is 100% factual

Wait a minute!
Was this post only for the Cycling Club members? Please don't say "yes" or I will feel embarrassed :-P

[o_e_l_e_o]

Well, the merit cycling club is almost all here (o_e_l_e_o clearly looks down upon Meta lately)

I'm too busy pedaling away. Gotta burn off all those cookies somehow.

so you know everything above is 100% factual

I am Leo, and I approve this message.

[suchmoon]

Wait a minute!
Was this post only for the Cycling Club members? Please don't say "yes" or I will feel embarrassed :-P

No, it's me who should feel embarrassed. I thought it's common knowledge that only cycling club members are allowed to post on this forum. Must be some mistake by the administration to not have everyone else banned.

I'm now torn if I should add "/s" but I think someone will find a way to misinterpret it regardless so whatever

[AB de Royse777]

You are not inviting CH and co?
/s

By the way, all good though.

[suchmoon]

You are not inviting CH and co?

I have a feeling that CH is not the type that waits for an invitation and he will probably stop by to illustrate the "annoying prick" part.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Bingo cards on standby...

[MainIbem]

... the merit cycling club ...

Does this truly exist? Could this explain why merits seem to circulate among some members? Any qualification for intending members of the club, if it existed?

[pablogomezz]

I’ve trade few similar topics about merit and for me it’s still a bit hard to get merit without strong knowledge in crypto. To be honest I’m reading a lot last week and I’d like to help other members in way I can.

Thanks! It’s informative

[dkbit98]

I think you should also make a post If you didn't receive a merit....  

... it likely means that:

• You made a bad or boring post, and nobody noticed it.

It doesn't mean that:

• You should continue doing the same thing.
• You will never receive a merit.
• Anyone hates you
• You are a shitposter.
• You should copy-paste and spin text
• You should chase merits all the time
• You should beg for merits
• Your should send PM to other members asking for merits.
• You should buy merits.
• You should buy other accounts.
• You should became a troll.
• You can't write better posts.

[KaneVWE]

... it likely means that:

• You made a post and someone thought it's a good post, or perhaps someone clicked the wrong button.

It doesn't mean that:

• Anyone else thinks it's a good post.
• Anyone likes your post or you.
• Anyone agrees with your post or with you.
• Your post is right or righteous.
• You're not a shitposter.
• You're trustworthy.
• You're not dumb.
• Your post doesn't break the forum rules.
• You'll get any more merits for that post or any post.
• You should try making more such posts.
• You should pester other users for merit.

Just some inspirational-motivational thoughts for your Monday. May or may not be based on a true story.

What ? Now merit score isn't a super accurate indicator of undeniable value when analysed objectively?
That must be why you said the terms good poster and bad poster are meaningless without strict definition and criteria to measure against.

So the only issue is..
why is this meaningless garbage the basis for the trust system ?
Why do campaign managers put any stock in this meaningless nonsense?

Anyway good to see some reality creeping in.
Challenging the status quo or presenting very valuable information that is also inconvenient to DT or merit sources ( generally the same thing shockingly) will not get your posts ignored. They read them are unable to debunk them but of course would never merit them or any other valuable insights you offer whether they agree with those or not.
Once you are on the merit starvation list you don't come off.

It really doesn't matter I guess to any that are not here for financial reasons.
The only shame is that theymos sanctioned those controlling this meaningless crap to manipulate the forum software into turning their petty gripes and annoyance at being whistle blown on into fake lies of scamming and claims of financially motivated wrongdoing.

That is more of a design error.  Well the entire shambles of merit and trust is one big design error but that is the most offensive part.

When a meaningless metric empowers proven scammers to label their whistle blowers as scammers with zero evidence you start to see the dangerous mess merit is in its totally subjective and meaningless form.

A members true value is based only upon any lasting change their posts resulted in.  Whether that be for bitcoin,  another project or for a group of people who's lives you have changed in a huge way they didn't expect.

The forum has given thousands of members an opportunity they would have never had elsewhere. For that we all should be grateful.  Merit is a cancer but fortunately even that can not destroy the forums past. It can destroy the forums future but let's hope its prevented from turning the entire place into an echo chamber and completely discouraging new users.

The most valuable post is that which opposes popular or accepted widely held views and conclusively debunks them.
Of course CH bingo posts are valuable too. Anything pertaining to real legends deserves a nice sprinkle of merit.

I think perhaps he is just that polite these days. Someone should hit him up with an invite.

[suchmoon]

I think you should also make a post If you didn't receive a merit....  

Well, you already did so...

Good point though. I've been trying to find those ever-elusive unmerited good posters for months and so far anyone who can string a sentence or two together without sounding like a total moron seems to have received merits before I notice them. So if one hasn't received merits yet and has made at least a few dozen posts outside of bounty boards - they must be really bad at stringing those sentences. Sometimes even utter shitposters get a stray merit but that's fine, they'll never move beyond being just a statistical anomaly. Anyone with even a tiniest spark of a real person can and will get merits.

[Foxpup]

Does this truly exist? Could this explain why merits seem to circulate among some members?

No, it does not truly exist; it only falsely exists. I originally created it as a joke to mock those who incorrectly believe merit only circulates among a few members, but it's since gotten way out of hand.

Any qualification for intending members of the club, if it existed?

You have to send and receive a large amount of merits from other members of the club, of course. The fact that we also send merits to users outside the club is immaterial and you should pay no attention to it. /s

What ? Now merit score isn't a super accurate indicator of undeniable value when analysed objectively?

It never was, nor did anyone say it was. We sincerely apologise for the incredible amount of time you wasted "debunking" something nobody ever believed in the first place.

[icopress]

Does this truly exist? Could this explain why merits seem to circulate among some members? Any qualification for intending members of the club, if it existed?

MainIbem, you'll have to pedal harder to be accepted into the Merit Cycling Club, at least unless you're Foxpup's half-brother through his dad's cousin.

Not to mention, you shouldn't be allergic to: chocolate bitcoin wrapped in gold foil, a game rabbit burrito served with habanero sauce, a slice of Black Forest gâteau made with genuine Black Forest kirsch, a 55-gallon drum of WD-40, a pine cone in a bottle

Well, one more little thing ...

An Error Has Occurred!
You can only send 50 merit to a given user per 30 days.

[KaneVWE]

Does this truly exist? Could this explain why merits seem to circulate among some members?

No, it does not truly exist; it only falsely exists. I originally created it as a joke to mock those who incorrectly believe merit only circulates among a few members, but it's since gotten way out of hand.

Any qualification for intending members of the club, if it existed?

You have to send and receive a large amount of merits from other members of the club, of course. The fact that we also send merits to users outside the club is immaterial and you should pay no attention to it. /s

What ? Now merit score isn't a super accurate indicator of undeniable value when analysed objectively?

It never was, nor did anyone say it was. We sincerely apologise for the incredible amount of time you wasted "debunking" something nobody ever believed in the first place.

Lol so full of shit. That's why suchmoron said it was completely stupid to suggest that some of the 99.93% of the forum could make posts as good as some posts made by  the 0.07% of top merit earners. Or that all pre merit legends were spammers.

Do you think the threads are not publically available where you bunch of idiots were claiming there merit score was a legitimate metric for appraising post value. People only need to pull up CH's original threads here on meta when he stated posting regularly here to see you are completely bullshittkng.

I'm irresistible to foxy. However much the the other merit cyclers tell her not to talk to me she can't stop herself.

Ignore foxpups clear lies or opinions not based on any form of reasoning   Simply pull up the top 20 merit fans and recipients of the usual gang members and see they are infested with each other, as are their trust includes.

So anyway since you have all decided to forget you were claiming high merit score = super valuable poster  .. or that the score had any objective and useful meaning at all then why is the trust system based upon it and why do campaign managers care about it at all?

Merits were seriously cycled hard especially early on, they still are now but That was the crucial period. Now they may try to scatter them around to lots of different people in very minute measures knowing full well that those people will never have enough to release the strangle hold the current gang have on DT1 and therefore the best rev streams.

The entire merit based control systems have been converted into a tool to create a 2 tier system and protection racket.

I mean the OP details exactly why merit score is completely meaningless in terms of objective post value and completely open to abuse motivated by financial gain.

Now suchmoon ownes Bpip can you expand merit fans and recipients to top 25. Top 10 is to shabby.

First rule about merit cycling club
Never admit there is a merit cycling club.

Second rule about merit cycling club
Never ever ever admit wrongdoing however conclusive the proof is that a DT1 is a scammer.

Third rule about merit cycling club
Claim anyone noticing merit is cycled is CH

Obviously try to get them banned, tag them, merit starve , falsely accuse of trolling etc

Suchmoon should have stuck to her more simple explanation :

You have a merit score ? It is meaningless with regard post value. It's also a tool to crush free speech. It has other far more dangerous applications but let's not get repetitive.

Or even more concise. Merit was cancer for this forum.

[AB de Royse777]

It did not take much longer :-P