Abusing The Bitcointalk Trust System For Personal And Selfish Interests

[Raflesia]

Almost every bounty manager managed 1/2 scam bounties. Some bounty payments have been pending for years. Some bounty tokens are not actually being listed in exchange for years.

Which is why they’re supposed to escrow their stakes? You know, so people don’t end up working for free? Don’t act like it’s perfectly normal for people’s payouts to get delayed for years because it’s not, that’s exactly why signature campaign managers hold multiple weeks of funds for their clients in advance.

Not all their bounty campaign is escrowed and that's the problem they made need to be solved, I have worked for them and actually received the rewards but those rewards are useless, but it's not detective faults, its happens. The issue I have with them is delay of payment which I often I receive then after your mind is out of them. I can day their followers gets reward late unfortunately will cause them to sell at low price making the outcome worthless.

Still controlling the distribution is done by the team after the manager hands over the sheet to the owner, but here sometimes most of them are not on time and that's what makes the bounties angry about this, Detective only does what the owner has ordered but he is also willing if the escrow on the team is desirable but if they cackle at the control of the team then a manager can only tell the participants about the update.

[Bila0]

And In my opinion that their community in good enough and they have been doing good job. Bounty detective community almost distribute tokens thigh they have not any kind of worth. As for as I have joined their HOMT bounty though that was only worth of almost 1 dollars and and at the time bounty these tokens were almost 90 dollars and that is the reason they have been bringing appt of scam projects.
And despite of distribution theses tokens has not any kind of worth. And we have been joining there projects of almost 4 months but not got anything yet.
So they should be doing some good projects that are already in CMC, so that bounty people can make enough good money from this.
And there are some PROS of bounty detective,
1. They distribute all coins.
2. They are honest in distribution.
3. So only distribution is good.

CONS:-
1. they have no worth.
2. They are wasting people time.
3. Their bounties have no worth when distribution.
So that depends upon you what you think.

[Vispilio]

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self-contradictory opinions resembling BPD, followed by red trust, no surprises here, there should be a psych evaluation before letting some newbies post in Reputation...

[suchmoon]

self-contradictory opinions resembling BPD, followed by red trust, no surprises here, there should be a psych evaluation before letting some newbies post in Reputation...

Stop shilling your sockpuppet... your charade is over:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289777.msg55639064#msg55639064

[peloso]

Stop shilling your sockpuppet... your charade is over:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289777.msg55639064#msg55639064

will be good if you will stop your shilling

[Vispilio]

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Can someone stop this bored housewife from stalking me across the forum, it's getting just a little bit obsessive, and you know, totally insane...

Imagine you are a new crypto enthusiast reading the forum, and you see one of the most popular and active members, with an artificial green trust sheet and gigantic amount of cycled merits,

spew so much toxic hatred and false accusations day in day out, how would you feel about including yourself in such a forum ?

For the wellness of Bitcointalk, administration should put a check on the likes of ~suchmoon and similar cultists...

[suchmoon]

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Not a bad attempt at deflection but it doesn't really justify your actions - including your sockpuppet account BountyDetective in your trust list, sending merits to it, shilling it while pretending to be a different person... not cool.

[peloso]

Can someone stop this bored housewife from stalking me across the forum, it's getting just a little bit obsessive, and you know, totally insane...

maybe you fucked her and didn't pay? ) or she sucked your dick and want again and again))
she cant relax )) nothing change)

[nutildah]

Can someone stop this bored housewife from stalking me across the forum, it's getting just a little bit obsessive, and you know, totally insane...

Imagine you are a new crypto enthusiast reading the forum, and you see one of the most popular and active members, with an artificial green trust sheet and gigantic amount of cycled merits,

spew so much toxic hatred and false accusations day in day out, how would you feel about including yourself in such a forum ?

For the wellness of Bitcointalk, administration should put a check on the likes of ~suchmoon and similar cultists...

Are you Bounty Detective?

If so, not only have you been sending merits to yourself and trusting yourself, but you've apparently enrolled yourself in your own campaign. I guess that's not entirely unethical if you were up front about it from the start. But after all it is the HEX campaign and I don't really care what happens to Richard Heart's money.

[Vispilio]

Are you Bounty Detective?

If so, not only have you been sending merits to yourself and trusting yourself, but you've apparently enrolled yourself in your own campaign. I guess that's not entirely unethical if you were up front about it from the start. But after all it is the HEX campaign and I don't really care what happens to Richard Heart's money.

No, for the final time, I'm most assuredly not Bounty Detective. Also the organization called "Bounty Detective" is not a singular entity.

I was briefly partners with them, but for completely unrelated reasons, as of Dec 2020, even that is no longer the case, so I hope this flimsy conspiracy theory is put to rest. Thanks.

[suchmoon]

No, for the final time, I'm most assuredly not Bounty Detective. Also the organization called "Bounty Detective" is not a singular entity.

I was briefly partners with them, but for completely unrelated reasons, as of Dec 2020, even that is no longer the case, so I hope this flimsy conspiracy theory is put to rest. Thanks.

It's not about some shitposting "organization", you illiterate dingleberry. It's about the account that you used to make that post... and don't start pretending that you didn't. It's a copypasta of your own post from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg55592006#msg55592006

So what are the chances that (a) your "partner" for some inexplicable reason plagiarised your post - a bump post, who the fuck does that? - or that (b) you posted that bump.

[Vispilio]

bla bla bla

It's a great style for a bump post, they appreciate art and aesthetics (topics far beyond your paygrade I know   ), they must have liked it, so they copied it,

for a while we were working together on a few things, so they were asking me for lots of advice on style and writing, etc.


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With that said, I've already done enough advertising for Hex for 1 week  , so any further petty questions of yours will need to wait till Thursday, take care ~suchmoon

[suchmoon]

It's a great style for a bump post, they appreciate art and aesthetics (topics far beyond your paygrade I know   ), they must have liked it, so they copied it,

"They" must must have liked your Bitcointalk user ID and your telegram handle too, so they copied those as well.

Also "they" must have taken English lessons from you because Bounty Detective sounds like Vispilio e.g. here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289777

So do some of the shitbumpers in that thread that never posted anything in English until one day they decided to shill for Bounty Detective, e.g.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289777.msg55653852#msg55653852

Makes perfect sense in your make-believe universe where you're smarter than everyone else and everything you say is true.

[nutildah]

It's a great style for a bump post, they appreciate art and aesthetics (topics far beyond your paygrade I know   ), they must have liked it, so they copied it,

for a while we were working together on a few things, so they were asking me for lots of advice on style and writing, etc.

It is a bit weird, though, how they copied your profile ID and Telegram as well... wouldn't you say? They didn't think to at least substitute those bits of information for their own?

Also "they" must have taken English lessons from you because Bounty Detective sounds like Vispilio e.g. here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289777

Vispilio does have good English but Bounty Detective doesn't really have enough written material to make an apt comparison between the two. I'd say Bounty Detective using Vispilio's telegram and profile ID is weird enough by itself.

[dragonvslinux]

Vispilio does have good English but Bounty Detective doesn't really have enough written material to make an apt comparison between the two. I'd say Bounty Detective using Vispilio's telegram and profile ID is weird enough by itself.

I'm not sure about that, the OP uses a lot of words in good English, better than Vispilio, not all of them I've read either. Also bare in mind that it's quite likely there are more than one person involved in this, the OP could have been written by some "marketing" type, while someone else can be more in charge of the bounty side of things, replies etc? Anyway. Retracted.

I've looked into this situation "a bit", not thoroughly. I'm mainly posting in this thread to keep an on the situation developing from now on. I've otherwise joined one of their bounties as an experiment elsewhere, due to the OP. I had always considered their bounties to be scams, but now I'm considering otherwise, pending proof of concept.

It also seems clear from the evidence provided (source lost but suchmoon posted it) that Vispilio was their bounty manager support, without a shadow of doubt. But not that he "runs" Bounty Detective, or that he remains in management with the team today. At least from talks I have had with their support person when investigating this team, it seems pretty clear to me they have a different support member now running things on the ground. I also realise I could be completely wrong about this, but evidence is lacking in both directions as to who's running or managing this project and is unlikely to be gained either way. My opinion as well as experiment is also bias, due to my affiliation with another platform, but I'm trying to remain neutral for the time being. Someone would otherwise need to consolidate these 7 pages of concerns, as well as another 10, into a summarised account of why the OP is a scammer. Ideally with convincing evidence, not just that a project they ran bounty for exit scammed, they abused the trust system, and their opinions are unpopular to some...

To me abusing the trust system makes you a shithead, it doesn't make you a scammer by default, but maybe there's something else in 17 pages I'm missing.

[suchmoon]

To me abusing the trust system makes you a shithead, it doesn't make you a scammer

It does make you a high risk when you're abusing the trust system to silence legitimate complaints about your "business".

Also witness the glorious stream of shitposters bumping this thread, scam ANN style.

But if you're waiting for the OP to admit "yes, I'm a sockpuppeting lying piece of shit who doesn't really have a million bounty hunters" then yeah, it's probably not going to happen.

[dragonvslinux]

To me abusing the trust system makes you a shithead, it doesn't make you a scammer by default

It does make you a high risk when you're abusing the trust system to silence legitimate complaints about your "business".

I do see your point here, and also agree retaliatory negative feedback serves no good, unless valid. To me it would be much more of an issue if legitimate complaints from bounty hunters were met with negative trust, but this doesn't seem the case (that I'm aware of). In this case, it just looks like pointless retaliation, that doesn't even show as DT either. It doesn't indicate to me that their bounty hunters would get negged for raising criticisms, which to me would make the team high-risk for sure, especially if account were DT. In fact, I see one cheater received neutral trust that proves otherwise to me, as well as other neutral trust that appears to be appropriate use of the trust system (an opinion, whether right or wrong). Further insight.

I'd say risk(/reward) remains reasonable personally, a project might exit scam (of course), though high-risk to me implies most exist scam, bounty hunters get negged, or otherwise.

Also witness the glorious stream of shitposters bumping this thread, scam ANN style.

Yeh I noticed, I hope you're not including me in this list either! This will be my last post unless others engage in this discussion further with me, to enlighten me. I can also understand bounty hunters coming to the support of their manager, it ironically tells me more that there are users that have received these bounty rewards, rather than the idea of being scammed. While it can be annoying, having an army of shitposters doesn't confirm someone is a scammer either, even if often enough this can be the case. This is why most bounties should be considered medium risk by default basically.

But if you're waiting for the OP to admit "yes, I'm a sockpuppeting lying piece of shit who doesn't really have a million bounty hunters" then yeah, it's probably not going to happen.

Ok, that's settled then. Thanks for explaining, I don't want to waste more time on this issue to be honest, I'll just keep eye on it.

[suchmoon]

To me it would be much more of an issue if legitimate complaints from bounty hunters were met with negative trust, but this doesn't seem the case (that I'm aware of).

It did happen. BD negged Mpamaegbu and some other posters in this thread. That's what my neg trust on BD is about. Some of those negs were revised to neutrals a few weeks later.

In this case, it just looks like pointless retaliation, that doesn't even show as DT either.

BD was briefly in DT2 courtesy of OgNasty. All those negs lit up as DT-red.

It doesn't indicate to me that their bounty hunters would get negged for raising criticisms, which to me would make the team high-risk for sure, especially if account were DT.

It absolutely does indicate exactly that.

Also witness the glorious stream of shitposters bumping this thread, scam ANN style.

Yeh I noticed, I hope you're not including me in this list either!

Are you a shitposter? If not then I'm probably not including you

This will be my last post unless others engage in this discussion further with me, to enlighten me. I can also understand bounty hunters coming to the support of their manager, it ironically tells me more that there are users that have received these bounty rewards, rather than the idea of being scammed. While it can be annoying, having an army of shitposters doesn't confirm someone is a scammer either, even if often enough this can be the case. This is why most bounties should be considered medium risk by default basically.

An army of shitposters magically finding their way to this thread, learning to speak English for the first time in their lives, etc indicates that the OP doesn't have 7 pages of real support. Those are either OP's sockpuppets or some telegram lemmings told to go post here. While I wouldn't red-tag for shitposting or even for soliciting shitposting - reported a bunch of them instead - it is a sign of dishonesty and of risk dealing with OP.

[Vispilio]

Vispilio does have good English but Bounty Detective doesn't really have enough written material to make an apt comparison between the two. I'd say Bounty Detective using Vispilio's telegram and profile ID is weird enough by itself.

~~~I'm not sure about that, the OP uses a lot of words in good English, better than Vispilio, not all of them I've read either. ...

Wait what ?   Way to throw me under the bus, out of all the things you said this sentence is the most surreal of all, and your credibility will go up 100x if you correct this provably false statement.

I'm willing to bet 100 BTC that Bounty Detective organization is now reaching out to some senior members to paint things in a very different light to save face here and manipulate people into misrepresenting certain realities about them;

I will leave it at that, under the condition that the real sneaky McCoy who calls himself BountyDetective immediately stops his dirty tactics of manipulation, it's just so disgusting and unethical on so many levels

[nutildah]

Vispilio does have good English but Bounty Detective doesn't really have enough written material to make an apt comparison between the two. I'd say Bounty Detective using Vispilio's telegram and profile ID is weird enough by itself.

I'm not sure about that, the OP uses a lot of words in good English, better than Vispilio, not all of them I've read either. Also bare in mind that it's quite likely there are more than one person involved in this, the OP could have been written by some "marketing" type, while someone else can be more in charge of the bounty side of things, replies etc? Anyway.

English is your first language, right? Vispilio has a bigger vocabulary than many native English speakers -- not sure how much attention you've been paying to his posts.

What about the fact that BountyDetective copy/pasted a post with Vispilio's social media information, and then instead of just correcting it to their own they deleted it? Doesn't register?

In any case, I don't really care as most bounties are for either scams or shit projects, but it seems like they are 100% the same people.