Card Counting in Blackjack

[Lorence.xD]

Do you seriously say that? Have you ever played blackjack in live casinos? Well, I'll still explain.
First of all, in live casinos, they play with 8 decks in the shoe. From these eight decks, only four plays. So, from 416 cards, approximately 208 plays and sometimes it happens like even less or more, it depends on the shuffler. Card shuffle quality is controlled, so, for this reason, shufflers try to put the cutting card in the front and not back to the middle. It results in playing even fewer cards, nearly 170-200. So this action even lessens your chance to count cards. It has zero idea to count cards in live blackjack. Also, there are risk analysts there who sit and have a look at players behaviours. Not only that, shuffle quality is always monitored and if it happened like shuffle quality in the certain round is very, very low, then the game can be cancelled and players get refunded.

I replied about it a long time ago and I retracted what I said on my thread starter. What you said is what other people have said already.  I do not care about your explanation because others have pointed it out and yeah what you just said I know about it already. Sorry.

[plr]

I'm not sure if this is still applicable in our time now because gambling company now are more stricter than before.
and specially in Online gambling when the computer is involve in managing the strategy we are doing.

Online casinos are created to make a profit and to become sustainable, if they have blackjack in their platform they already know this card counting system and they have a system to combat card counting, I don't think you can use it and have not seen a thread here so far about a player who made a lot from card counting in an online blackjack site.

[btc78]

The basics of card counting is that you assign values from 1, 0, to -1 for each card and adding the value of revealed cards to know if you have the odds in your favor for the next game.

2 to 6 is equal to 1, 7 to 9 is equal to 0 and 10 to Ace is equal to -1.  The card counting technique is complex so I will leave a link.

Casinos have policies regarding this card counter schemes, blackjack having the lowest house edge needs to be supervised because card counters. It is not illegal or cheating but a casino has to earn and they will do anything in their power to prevent losses from card counters.

Here are some of the solutions that casinos employ.

• Solution 1: When casinos detect that someone is card counting(i.e. 100 bet now then suddenly 1000 bet). They will make a rule where players can't change their bet for the next round.
• Solution 2: They use 4 decks or 7 decks instead of the standard 6 deck shoe.
• Solution 3: The casino can call the police for trespassing which is shitty, if the house rules indicates that no card counting and you are caught card counting. This is not a good solution because it might be someones lucky day.
• Solution 4: They use automatic shuffler so you will have less confidence in your card counting skills

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

How to count cards in blackjack link:https://www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/how-to-count-cards/

Lol with the high technologies applied by gambling company?surely this Old technique wont be applicable now.

Card counting back in the days really is one best strategy but now?even in local gambling this is prohibited because this may sounds cheating.

It is almost impossible to count the card with 8 decks, so I don't think there is an advantage to waste time with live BJ games. Evolution gaming provider have a lots of live BJ tables and few Youtubers have tried to use card counting, as expected they busted after 3 hours of consecutive losses. If there was an big edge, the other pro gamblers have tried and shared the results with us. I don't see any reason to learn the card counting with advanced math skills.

actually is implying in old strategy and i'm sure he don't even win streak using this card counting.

and besides it is more enjoyable playing with thrill and luck than too much to expect.

[Porfirii]

"If you're playing a poker game and you look around the table and can't tell who the sucker is, it's you."

After reading this thread, I suppose we could say the same quote in a slightly abstract way: if you think card counting will give you big advantage, not taking into account that most of the players and the casino itself takes for granted that most will try to use this method, then the sucker is you

[Debonaire217]

Online casinos are created to make a profit and to become sustainable, if they have blackjack in their platform they already know this card counting system and they have a system to combat card counting, I don't think you can use it and have not seen a thread here so far about a player who made a lot from card counting in an online blackjack site.

If you are in an actual physical casino, their main solution to solve this card counting problem is to inspect their CCTV cameras to see some suspicious acts of people who card count. Meaning, if you really want to do this thing in a casino, you need to have no failure in controlling your reactions. There's no one who could prove that you are card counting aside from the house themselves, instead of arresting you, they might extort you for your actions. I just don't know how this card counting could be controlled and prevented in online gambling casinos. Other people are even using some tools to calculate the outcome of their bets.

[shield132]

Do you seriously say that? Have you ever played blackjack in live casinos? Well, I'll still explain.
First of all, in live casinos, they play with 8 decks in the shoe. From these eight decks, only four plays. So, from 416 cards, approximately 208 plays and sometimes it happens like even less or more, it depends on the shuffler. Card shuffle quality is controlled, so, for this reason, shufflers try to put the cutting card in the front and not back to the middle. It results in playing even fewer cards, nearly 170-200. So this action even lessens your chance to count cards. It has zero idea to count cards in live blackjack. Also, there are risk analysts there who sit and have a look at players behaviours. Not only that, shuffle quality is always monitored and if it happened like shuffle quality in the certain round is very, very low, then the game can be cancelled and players get refunded.

I replied about it a long time ago and I retracted what I said on my thread starter. What you said is what other people have said already.  I do not care about your explanation because others have pointed it out and yeah what you just said I know about it already. Sorry.

First of all, you created this thread on 13 October and I replied to you on 20 October. So you haven't replied to anyone here "a long time ago". It's a short time.
I said everything about evolution gaming in more details than anyone here and believe me, I have very high competence in it.
Also, I do not care <-- sounds rude cause I'm not t spamming your thread and instead try to help and give you a detailed answer to have an overall image around this task.
Again, if you provide me with posts here that say the same things that I said (double-check my post), then red tag me.

[johhnyUA]

"If you're playing a poker game and you look around the table and can't tell who the sucker is, it's you."

After reading this thread, I suppose we could say the same quote in a slightly abstract way: if you think card counting will give you big advantage, not taking into account that most of the players and the casino itself takes for granted that most will try to use this method, then the sucker is you

Most casinos don't think in such way, don't try to show them as "eternal ubermenches and masterminds". Card counting needs strong well trained mind, knowledge of probability and good memory. I think all this can be received by small amount of players, and there is no reason for casino to pay attention on them. It would be the same if casino would pay attention to meteor strike. But they don't, this is called force major, or in terms more close to mathematicans in casino - allowable losses.

100 people will left 10 dollards each, and on will take 25 to himself out of casino. Casino still in profit, so why to give a fuck?

[Wawa2013]

I'm not sure card counting is can successfully for blackjack games, because now casinos owners are aware of this and have anticipated
that gamblers cannot use the card counting strategy, believe me casinos are getting stricter now. Then for online gambling it's the same,
the card counting system can't be used anymore, because gambling sites owners have improved their systems in order to anticipate card
counting. That's why for now I have not come across any successful reviews on blackjack games using a card counting strategy.

[Lorence.xD]

First of all, you created this thread on 13 October and I replied to you on 20 October. So you haven't replied to anyone here "a long time ago". It's a short time.
I said everything about evolution gaming in more details than anyone here and believe me, I have very high competence in it.
Also, I do not care <-- sounds rude cause I'm not t spamming your thread and instead try to help and give you a detailed answer to have an overall image around this task.
Again, if you provide me with posts here that say the same things that I said (double-check my post), then red tag me.

I replied two times already about how I already knew of it already. The first two pages of thread already gave the clarification that I need. Why the fuck would I red tag you? Do I look like I want drama, dude chill. I thought this thread is dead because haven't seen it in a long time in the first page of the discussion. I am sorry if that sounded rude which it really is. I replied about it on the page 4 of this thread.

Why put up the issue of spamming when you aren't spamming in the first place? Chill dude.

To end this problem with you, I hereby declare you as the winner of our argument.

[Mauser]

I'm not sure card counting is can successfully for blackjack games, because now casinos owners are aware of this and have anticipated
that gamblers cannot use the card counting strategy, believe me casinos are getting stricter now. Then for online gambling it's the same,
the card counting system can't be used anymore, because gambling sites owners have improved their systems in order to anticipate card
counting. That's why for now I have not come across any successful reviews on blackjack games using a card counting strategy.

Another point in physical casinos gameplay is that most people will not be playing any optimal game. The usual casino edge in BlackJack is around 0.5% if the gambler is playing the optimal strategy, but since most people have their own strategies the edge of the casinos is usually much higher. So when it comes to fighting against Card Counters the Casino has to trade off between high security and high turnover on the tables. When the dealer is using shuffle machines and shuffles the deck more often to counter card counting, he is not dealing cards. So overall the table will play less hands per hour compared to table with less security. I think the casino is trying to balance these two issues to maximise profits.

[CLS63]

This is possible just on the movies. In casinos or live video games, there are more than 6 decks being used. Before we get to the half of a deck, the deck is shuffled again. You can increase your luck by counting them just at a rate of %2-%3.

[TopT3ns]

This is possible just on the movies. In casinos or live video games, there are more than 6 decks being used. Before we get to the half of a deck, the deck is shuffled again. You can increase your luck by counting them just at a rate of %2-%3.

well, you are right, it feels like the gambling places have thought about it so they have prepared several card machines that can be used to shuffle the cards and what becomes this game is very difficult is they use more than 4 sets of cards and shuffle them on the table without our knowledge so it will be very it's hard to predict.

[Stedsm]

I gamble Blackjack on tables where so many users play at once, and I believe that the potential of a player winning a game completely depends on what they choose and/or if the dealer busts or stands under our number. Next is, when we get 20 over there as total, there's a bot that "Hits" and it's not just limited to 1 game but that bot does it in each and every game so for the dealer to get the best upcoming card. I don't believe that card counting would work in such a game. Never tried this while gambling alone, will try to do it but I guess that after seeing some comments here, I shouldn't really try it as it may get me banned.  

[Saisher]

I don't believe that card counting would work in such a game. Never tried this while gambling alone, will try to do it but I guess that after seeing some comments here, I shouldn't really try it as it may get me banned.  

I'm not a blackjack player, and I don't know card counting but it takes a lot of concentration to do this, I don't know is this possible because the card is shuffle so fast and it takes a big amount of concentration and if you can follow how the card is shuffle, obviously they will caught you by just looking at your reaction and your eyes.

[DoublerHunter]

I don't believe that card counting would work in such a game. Never tried this while gambling alone, will try to do it but I guess that after seeing some comments here, I shouldn't really try it as it may get me banned. 

I'm not a blackjack player, and I don't know card counting but it takes a lot of concentration to do this, I don't know is this possible because the card is shuffle so fast and it takes a big amount of concentration and if you can follow how the card is shuffle, obviously they will caught you by just looking at your reaction and your eyes.

^ Card counting has been discussed in the forum multiple times and it is a traditional technique, but most often blackjack players could not resist doing it for it is one of the best strategies to win and recover losses. However, the casinos have identified this type of strategy and they are prepared on how to prevent it, that is why some rules have been made because the casinos are also an industry that needs to earn profit for their own expenses, Though I may consider that there are lots of gray area in these rules especially in banning a player for it will be hard to ban a player in physical casinos for this particular player can still go to another casino, same as with online casinos it will be very tough for a player can still go online using a different identity. Nevertheless, what matters most is when an individual prefers to play gambling they must be ready for the possibility of being controlled by the house in their winning period.

[deisik]

I don't believe that card counting would work in such a game. Never tried this while gambling alone, will try to do it but I guess that after seeing some comments here, I shouldn't really try it as it may get me banned.  

I'm not a blackjack player, and I don't know card counting but it takes a lot of concentration to do this, I don't know is this possible because the card is shuffle so fast and it takes a big amount of concentration and if you can follow how the card is shuffle, obviously they will caught you by just looking at your reaction and your eyes.

^ Card counting has been discussed in the forum multiple times and it is a traditional technique, but most often blackjack players could not resist doing it for it is one of the best strategies to win and recover losses

I was a starter of one such thread not so long ago

Here it is, for the inquiring minds. As the poll results there have shown, in order to be a decent Blackjack player, you must count cards (apart from it being a legitimate skill). Given this and with respect to the land casino environment and circumstances, it all eventually comes down to how good you are at both card counting and hiding your mindwork from the casino



Put differently, now you should master two skills instead of one

[FontSeli]

I'm not sure if this is still applicable in our time now because gambling company now are more stricter than before.
and specially in Online gambling when the computer is involve in managing the strategy we are doing.

Online casinos are created to make a profit and to become sustainable, if they have blackjack in their platform they already know this card counting system and they have a system to combat card counting, I don't think you can use it and have not seen a thread here so far about a player who made a lot from card counting in an online blackjack site.

Is there any way to count blackjack cards in an online casino? I don't think that's possible. In a normal casino, you see a deck and initially know its size. Thanks to this, you know that there are a certain number of aces and other cards in the deck and you can count how many of them went to the end. In online casinos, you usually don't see the size of the deck and can't know how many cards are left there.

[Fortify]

In my opinion, card counting is applicable to online and physical casinos. I think iit works better in online casinos because there is nothing the house can do. There are other solutions and the solutions above are applicable mostly in physical casinos.

It totally depends on whether you are watching a live dealer or simply at the mercy of an automated algorithm. If it's a live dealer, you could theoretically do card counting if you know the amount of decks involved and the shuffling mechanism allows it. There is absolutely no point in trying to beat the casino if it is a computer based random number generator because it will be manipulated to take away any possible advantage the player might get. Online casinos, like physical locations, are around to make profit for the owners - so they will take every step they can to ensure that happens.

[Lorence.xD]

It totally depends on whether you are watching a live dealer or simply at the mercy of an automated algorithm. If it's a live dealer, you could theoretically do card counting if you know the amount of decks involved and the shuffling mechanism allows it. There is absolutely no point in trying to beat the casino if it is a computer based random number generator because it will be manipulated to take away any possible advantage the player might get. Online casinos, like physical locations, are around to make profit for the owners - so they will take every step they can to ensure that happens.

I have done some reading about statistics of winning with card counting in live dealer versus pure online. No doubt that you can do it in live dealer compared to online where the time you spent is not worth the profit because it is very low. Plus you really need to be skilled in card counting and not just occasional player to pull off those statistics.

[Ryker1]

Well, as players we can consider it as a normal winning if we are getting it consecutively but it might be different in the eyes of the house for they also have tons of experience on players who do card counting which can be their loss too. Some rules that occur when they suspect someone that does card counting may not be fair for it can only be favorable in the house but that is only their way to secure that players during that time will also get a fair chance of winning. If banning a player will be the absolute solution of the house -- I doubt that they can really manage not letting this player not getting into casinos either physically or online especially with online casinos for players can easily change identity from time to time and as often as they want.