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October 21, 2020, 10:25:33 AM
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I think we're all not ready for this, how can we continue and reopen those businesses if we are still in a pandemic?

If the government do not have any plan besides going in a new normal again and doesn't think about the possibilities that might happen, probably we will make this Covid-19 pandemic to become worse. I'm not against the reopening of businesses for the sake of the economic stability but we should consider other factors such as transportation and people who can violate the laws.

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October 21, 2020, 11:08:21 AM
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The Government should really need to open up the economy slowly, because it has been a long time, over half a year now since we are in different types of community quarantines that made the people suffered more, especially the poorest of the poor. Without the economy, how will people eat and buy their daily needs? The starving individuals arises here in our country because of this pandemic and the Government cannot afford to give aid to the whole nation which is over populated. We need to stand up and cast away our fears, we need to live with covid-19, as long as we take extra precautions and safety protocols and proper hygiene to ourselves, that would be fine, I guess. There is a big City here, which is the hotspot for covid-19 cases back in few months, but now they are slowly getting back into place, trying to live with the virus and the good thing is that they have developed an immunity response to the virus, so they have no fear now and they have a strong faith that they could beat this virus. If this positive mindset of the people will spread all over this country, I strongly believe we can beat Covid-19 and learn to live with it.
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October 21, 2020, 11:16:53 AM
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Nice to see a fellow kabayan like you @OP. Thanks for sharing on what is going here in the Philippines, especially about handling the pandemic through restrictive quarantine measures.

Every local government unit had their unique measures in containing COVID-19 despite following the national IATF (Inter Agency Task Force) guidelines on the classifications of quarantine. Most of our cities and provinces are under the lowest level MGCQ (Modified General Community Quarantine), a few of them are under GCQ (General Community Quarantine), while Lanao Del Sur and Marawi are under MECQ (Modified Enhanced Community Quarantine) and a city in Isabela is currently under ECQ (Enhanced Community Quarantine), the strictest of them all.

For me, they are choosing between balancing both health protocol and reviving the economy. Lots of businesses and their employees have lost their jobs and livelihood due to the pandemic. For me, as long mass gathering was prohibited like concerts, churches, conferences, etc., the spread of the virus would reduce. And also sports, with the exception of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) which they're now in the Pampanga bubble.

And also I think starting today, all non-essential travel are resumed whether locally or internationally, subject to strict health protocols.

Even blended or modular learning was criticized by many (in which there are some suicide events happened, both teachers and students) because of the stressful modular handouts.

The government has to do it slowly in reopening the economy. If lockdown was still in place, our livelihoods are affected which will stop our income (especially slum places where they have no access to internet). The government has no choice but to slowly reopen the economy as well as balancing the health protocols by just simply following the minimum health standards.
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October 21, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
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We have seen the results of this already, USA never slowed down anyway, but Italy is getting record breaking numbers again, Germany doing horrible, France was always bad at this, even UK is not doing that well anymore. It is literally a horrible situation all over the world, hell there are so many bad places that some of them doesn't even do testing properly anymore, they just let things be until there is a fix on this.

Pandemic is not done, it is still around, it is as critical as it was in the spring and early summer, but for some time it looked like it was doing better yet here we are again, doing a lot worse. The only way to stop this is to have a permanent lockdown until this is fixed, I know "permanent" usually means forever but I mean like until we have close to zero infections and have some vaccine ready.

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October 21, 2020, 05:23:57 PM
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Some governments have done a poor job educating the people about how to help prevent the spread of the virus, and they've done a poor job for political reasons. People would be able to prevent the spread and the economy would be able to function much better if people followed the medical and scientific advice about minimizing the spread of the virus.  It's almost always the conservative governments or conservative leaders who minimize the risks of the virus or seek to undermine the public response to contain it.

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October 21, 2020, 11:00:52 PM
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Almost all countries experiencing pandemic is already slowly re-opening their economy because it cannot taken for too long staying into such situation that they won't do anything and just keep on waiting for the vaccine to come wherein we are still not yet sure on when it will happen. Slowly re-opening of the economy is just good to slowly get into the recovery stage after the direct negative impact that this pandemic have brought up affecting both health and economic concerns. It won't make the pandemic worst if the people and government will keep coordinated on implementing the strict health protocols to prevent the further spread of virus because if they won't do such, then expect that it will really get worst. But if they wanted to slowly get back to normal, then be cooperative and think not just for yourself but also for the people around you.
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October 21, 2020, 11:12:51 PM
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I agree that opening the economy by government will make the pandemic situation worse. But on the other hand, the government does not
have many options to make the economy recover. So like it or not, the government must slowly reopen the economy, although the risk will
make the spread of the corona virus increase. The government must make difficult choices like this. but the spread of the corona virus can be
minimized by implementing strict health protocols.

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October 22, 2020, 03:41:22 AM
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I agree that opening the economy by government will make the pandemic situation worse. But on the other hand, the government does not
have many options to make the economy recover. So like it or not, the government must slowly reopen the economy, although the risk will
make the spread of the corona virus increase. The government must make difficult choices like this. but the spread of the corona virus can be
minimized by implementing strict health protocols.

In many of the major urban centers, the population is inching towards attaining herd immunity. It has been already 6-7 months, since the pandemic started spreading outside China. A large part of the world population has already attained herd immunity and another large fraction will be attaining it in the coming months. The risk is still there, but with the passage of time it is getting smaller and smaller.
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October 22, 2020, 03:38:08 PM
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I sort of understand the government is doing right things because they are thinking about every single person.

Sure we all want people to actually stay at home but we are forgetting the people who own their own business as well so there are tons of economical problems in the world as well so I can’t really say what is the right decision to open or not to open.

If you open thousands of people will die, if you do not open tens of millions of people will starve and may die so in the end both options are horrible.
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October 22, 2020, 04:16:09 PM
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The more they try to bring the economy back to the government the more countries suffer from the pandemic. I have not seen any signs of a pandemic decline, especially in European countries where their people are freely traveling to other countries.
The number of COVID-19 infections across Europe is at high levels and there is no sign of reduction.
https://news.google.com/covid19/map

Countries should close their borders and practice social isolation until the number of out-of-community cases is completely reduced as Vietnam and China did. That is the only way to get rid of the epidemic and get the country's economy back more efficient than risky.
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October 22, 2020, 05:19:22 PM
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The more they try to bring the economy back to the government the more countries suffer from the pandemic. I have not seen any signs of a pandemic decline, especially in European countries where their people are freely traveling to other countries.
The number of COVID-19 infections across Europe is at high levels and there is no sign of reduction.
https://news.google.com/covid19/map

Countries should close their borders and practice social isolation until the number of out-of-community cases is completely reduced as Vietnam and China did. That is the only way to get rid of the epidemic and get the country's economy back more efficient than risky.

According to the map, Europe is seriously affected and has many epidemic zones. It is inevitable because the people of the European Union bloc freely travel together without difficulty. The whole European economy has organic relations between countries and it is difficult for them to close their borders because they need to trade in some important areas.
The next thing I noticed was that the anti-epidemic policies differ from each other in Europe and that's what complicates the epidemic.
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October 23, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
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I think we're all not ready for this, how can we continue and reopen those businesses if we are still in a pandemic?

If the government do not have any plan besides going in a new normal again and doesn't think about the possibilities that might happen, probably we will make this Covid-19 pandemic to become worse. I'm not against the reopening of businesses for the sake of the economic stability but we should consider other factors such as transportation and people who can violate the laws.
Economies of small countries has no other choice but to continue despite of this pandemic. Ofcourse, no government would want to risk the lives of their people for nothing not only because it is against the norms but also they will be criticized from doing so. Many countries are now in debt due to this pandemic and in order to cope up, economies should resume their operations to lessen the debts. With regards to the transportations, there are alternatives such as companies providing bicycles to their employees in order for them to be functional in their jobs. There is also this "work from home" system, to help employees avoid physical contact with other people. And yes, ofcourse not all companies will do these things for employees. Personally, I am also against the continuation of different establishments but there might just be times wherein we are taking risks to live.

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October 23, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
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Third, as far as the topic goes, fuck the pandemic.  The virus is nowhere near as deadly as its being portrayed in the media, and we've got to get on with our lives, coronavirus or not.  The world can't be shut down indefinitely for an outbreak of a virus that's closer to the common cold than it is Ebola or Smallpox.  Politicians should be listening to the entire scientific community, not just advisors.
The issue is that politicians need and want to be elected and they are in an impossible situation for them, if they prioritize the health of their citizens then the economy will do badly and the opposition will blame them for this and even people will be mad at them because they have lost their jobs, however if they decide to prioritize the economy then they will be accused of being insensitive and that they only care about the rich making profits and once again people will buy it, so politicians in power are between a rock and a hard place and so far they have preferred to neglect the economy in favour of the health of their citizens, but this cannot really continue for long as we cannot have millions of people without jobs and starving because of it.
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October 24, 2020, 08:07:32 AM
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Corporations have control of the media, the products the advertisements and many other stuff that could change the views of the public, they do not even have to actually do anything that supports a politician, they could just support what that politician supports and get out of it without any problems while still moving the country any direction they want, left or right.

This means if a politician does whatever companies wants him to do, that politician could get a fair help from the companies and that is why I honestly think they do not care about people as much as they care about the companies. This is literally the only reason why we are back on the streets again, there should be a lockdown no doubt yet at the same time government wants us to make profit for the corporate lords.
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October 24, 2020, 10:24:17 AM
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I don't think the government's have the options of doing another lock down. The first lock down send almost every country into recession. A similar shock to happen a second time this year is just too much for most companies and people. Now with the second wave hitting so many countries, especially in Europe we see higher infection rates than before the first lock down on spring this year. Unfortunately the government can just accept the worse outcome right now. We still don't know how long this pandemic is going to last, there might be even a third wave coming.
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I don't think the government's have the options of doing another lock down. The first lock down send almost every country into recession. A similar shock to happen a second time this year is just too much for most companies and people. Now with the second wave hitting so many countries, especially in Europe we see higher infection rates than before the first lock down on spring this year. Unfortunately the government can just accept the worse outcome right now. We still don't know how long this pandemic is going to last, there might be even a third wave coming.
The economy needs to recover so the only thing the government will be doing is to only put some protocol and regulations, it's a new normal we need to face since we don't have any choice, we will all be hungry if we will just ask and wait for the governments support as they are also  struggling to budget. In my country there are many help provided already to poor but it's not enough for long so the only solution made was to stop the quarantine and just create new normal rules and regulations that needs to be followed by the citizens, yes it cause more cases but as months passed it seems to be normal now as jobs, transportation, malls were back to operation.
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October 24, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
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After the first onset of the coronavirus epidemic, many countries have lifted taxes on their social and economic activities. While this could exacerbate the epidemic in the second phase, it is not possible for underdeveloped and developing countries, even many developed ones, to hold back economic activity for a long time. According to the World Food Program, the coronavirus epidemic will increase the number of hungry people around the world and the world economy has already collapsed due to the coronavirus. Coronavirus epidemics can be worsened by the introduction of economic activities through lockdowns and relaxation of various restrictions.

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October 25, 2020, 01:47:13 PM
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By now, people have realized that all the BS we have been fed about the Coronavirus is wrong. The fatality rate for healthy people is less than 0.1% and there is no point in staying at home for unlimited periods. Enough damage has been done to the economy, and now time has come to restart it. To see how dangerous COVID 19 actually is, just look at what happened to Donald Trump. He's 74 years and still he was released from the hospital in a couple of days.
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October 25, 2020, 01:59:17 PM
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Closing and limitation of job and somehow opening the economy during the breakout of covid-19 can make everything worst by increasing the infected people overtime. However, in another theory, people should should get used to the new situation and the new normal. That's why if people really use the masks and respect social distance rule there won't be a problem. Because, closing down the economy for many people was awful and some of them didn't have anything to eat.

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October 27, 2020, 04:24:20 AM
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This depends on how people will protect themselves during this pandemic. If they think they can just go back to what they've been used to before all of this happened. It will surely get worst if people won't adjust to the new normal. I'm sure they know how much expensive it is to be hospitalized.
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