US Elections 2020 - very self such moderated

[TwitchySeal]

According to ABC, Biden got Pennsylvania, so game over. 273 vs 214.

Of course Trump will do the American thing to do: Sue 

looks like most news outlets have agreed.

well except for fox; it has reserved its call.

edit: fox news has now called it for biden.

Fox called NV as well.

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[Gyfts]

NBC, CNN, AP all call it for Biden.

Election was like ripping a band aid off slowly.

[rdbase]

According to ABC, Biden got Pennsylvania, so game over. 273 vs 214.

Of course Trump will do the American thing to do: Sue 

It won't matter if he sues since Pennsylvania has a law instated saying a president can't overturn what happens in that state's election. No matter what.
He can request for a recount but that's about it, can't sue the law of was written over 200 years of democracy. Your not in a communist country trump.
Watch 4:04 and listen to what he says. Lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania:  "Math is math!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxOu8HXve14

He restated what happens in the Pennsylvania judicial system(which is different and why they call it a commonwealth there) this morning on the same station for all to hear while the counting was still going on.
Now if it was in any other state, like Arizona and Nevada because of those people are still standing in line and waiting to have their votes verified with showing they are a legal american citizen by government issued i.d, then he might delay the passing of power to the democrats.

[PrimeNumber7]

NBC, CNN, AP all call it for Biden.

Election was like ripping a band aid off slowly.

A news outlet “calling” a race means nothing. It is the electoral college that determines who becomes president. There will likely be litigation that goes to the Supreme Court.

The media has gotten a lot wrong over the past four years, and I have no reason to believe they have gotten any better.

[TwitchySeal]

NBC, CNN, AP all call it for Biden.

Election was like ripping a band aid off slowly.

A news outlet “calling” a race means nothing. It is the electoral college that determines who becomes president. There will likely be litigation that goes to the Supreme Court.

The media has gotten a lot wrong over the past four years, and I have no reason to believe they have gotten any better.

A news outlet calling a race is a very strong indicator of the outcome.  That's why Biden is 'the projected winner'.

What you mean to say is that sometimes they get it wrong and the chances of Trump winning are greater than 0%.  And I agree. 

[DaveF]

NBC, CNN, AP all call it for Biden.

Election was like ripping a band aid off slowly.

A news outlet “calling” a race means nothing. It is the electoral college that determines who becomes president. There will likely be litigation that goes to the Supreme Court.

The media has gotten a lot wrong over the past four years, and I have no reason to believe they have gotten any better.

Want to place a bet that no matter how much litigation happens Biden still wins?

-Dave

[suchmoon]

I had to delete a lot of posts just now so I think this warrants reminding that this thread is about the 2020 election. I understand that some detours are inevitable, but let's try to stay on topic. This means no agitprop, no grievances you may have about one party or another, no personal attacks, and let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum... perhaps limited only to the ones endorsed by Trump (or Biden, if there are any) if we must.

[DooMAD]

and let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum...

Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon.  Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there).

[TwitchySeal]

and let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum...

Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon.  Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there).

Not a conspiracy theory.

It's pretty likely he either pardons himself, or gets pence to pardon him.

Regardless, we're about to see a lot of pardons.

[suchmoon]

Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon.  Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there).

I'll allow it as a prediction


I guess the next thing to watch out for would any shenanigans by Republican state legislatures in the swing states trying to meddle with elector delegations. I can't imagine them going that far but I couldn't imagine a losing candidate refusing to concede so I don't know anymore.

[TwitchySeal]

Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon.  Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there).

I'll allow it as a prediction


I guess the next thing to watch out for would any shenanigans by Republican state legislatures in the swing states trying to meddle with elector delegations. I can't imagine them going that far but I couldn't imagine a losing candidate refusing to concede so I don't know anymore.

[o_e_l_e_o]

and let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum

I love the idea that Democrats could pull off a nationwide voting scam/scandal to make Biden president, and yet choose to let Mitch McConnell be re-elected.

[suchmoon]

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Beautiful. Why do we even have the elections then? Must be some pesky state laws requiring that. Can they try to change those laws? I don't see how that could be done retroactively.

[bryant.coleman]

Even in case Republicans somehow manage to win the two remaining seats in Georgia (Perdue and Loeffler), their majority will be reduced to 52-48. But then there are at least two "Republican" senators who vote with Democrats most of the time - Murkowski and Collins. So even in the best case scenario for Republicans, the actual balance in the senate is going to be 50-50.

Democrats effectively gained 2 seats (1 proper Senate seat + VP tiebreaker) but I would expect the GA runoffs to be fierce. Now that a state-wide Georgia election has been shown to be winnable for Democrats they will probably gamble a $100 million on it.

Money can't make too much difference, as seen from the senate elections in Kentucky, South Carolina and Iowa. The Democrats poured in more than $100 million to each of these races, hoping to flip them. But in the end, the GOP incumbents won by a very comfortable margin. The huge influx of money actually provoked a backlash from the natives of these states, as there were reports that a lot of people voiced concern about the attempts being made by the liberals in California and New York to influence the elections in smaller states.

[PrimeNumber7]

NBC, CNN, AP all call it for Biden.

Election was like ripping a band aid off slowly.

A news outlet “calling” a race means nothing. It is the electoral college that determines who becomes president. There will likely be litigation that goes to the Supreme Court.

The media has gotten a lot wrong over the past four years, and I have no reason to believe they have gotten any better.

Want to place a bet that no matter how much litigation happens Biden still wins?

-Dave

The betting odds are currently roughly 10:1 for Trump to be the next president (a $1 bet wins $10). If you would be willing to offer these odds, I may be willing to consider a bet with you.

and let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum...

Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon.  Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there).

While there is not any evidence that Trump committed any crime while in office, IMO it would be prudent for him to pardon everyone in his administration, including himself as I would presume that he would be the subject to politically motivated prosecutions.

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Beautiful. Why do we even have the elections then? Must be some pesky state laws requiring that. Can they try to change those laws? I don't see how that could be done retroactively.

In order for any state legislature to change a law, including the law that governs who electoral college voters are, the law would need to be signed by the governor, or have sufficient support in the legislature to override a veto. The only state this could possibly be done in is GA and AZ, which would not be enough to change the election outcome. It would also be damaging politically for those who vote in favor of this type of proposal. 

[DaveF]

Want to place a bet that no matter how much litigation happens Biden still wins?

-Dave

The betting odds are currently roughly 10:1 for Trump to be the next president (a $1 bet wins $10). If you would be willing to offer these odds, I may be willing to consider a bet with you.

That site is showing 8:1 at the moment but it does seem to bounce a lot.

Since this is the Bitcoin board, not the USD board how about BTC0.015 of my funds against yours no matter where BTC is at the time. That when the electoral college votes next month (or whenever they meet) that they vote Biden in.

If Trump or Biden concedes before then the bet becomes payable at that time.

-Dave

[PrimeNumber7]

Want to place a bet that no matter how much litigation happens Biden still wins?

-Dave

The betting odds are currently roughly 10:1 for Trump to be the next president (a $1 bet wins $10). If you would be willing to offer these odds, I may be willing to consider a bet with you.

That site is showing 8:1 at the moment but it does seem to bounce a lot.

Since this is the Bitcoin board, not the USD board how about BTC0.015 of my funds against yours no matter where BTC is at the time. That when the electoral college votes next month (or whenever they meet) that they vote Biden in.

If Trump or Biden concedes before then the bet becomes payable at that time.

-Dave

I would be willing to bet you BTC0.001875 to win BTC0.015* with the following terms:
If Trump is President as of 12:01 PM Jan 20, 2021(one minute after his first term ends), I win the bet
If Biden is President as of 12:01 PM, Jan 20, 2021, you win the bet
If anyone else is President as of 12:01 PM, Jan 20, 2021, the bet is a draw
If Biden or Trump concedes, the bet is payable to the other party, however, the bet will not be final until 12:01 PM, Jan 20, 2021. This allows one party to concede, and end up becoming president (for example if they won a court case)

*for clarification, I am risking BTC0.001875 and you are risking BTC0.015

The logic behind the above terms is that Trump's legal strategy is not necessarily to win 270 electoral votes, it is to deny Biden from getting 270 votes. If the electoral college meets and there is no winner (neither candidate receives 270 votes), congress votes on the next president, with each state getting one vote.

The above offer will expire 24 hours from the date of this post if it has not been accepted.

[suchmoon]

Please move your bet to a separate thread. It's better for your own sake to not have it in someone else's self-mod thread and off topic here. TYVM.

[iamsheikhadil]

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Beautiful. Why do we even have the elections then? Must be some pesky state laws requiring that. Can they try to change those laws? I don't see how that could be done retroactively.

In 2016 too, there were some rumors about "unfaithful electors" who said they won't vote according to what the voters in their state wanted them to do. But in the end nothing like that happened to overturn the result. No one really in practical world can do that. It will destroy all credibility of election and the respective party as a whole.

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/which-candidates-did-the-seven-faithless-electors-support-election-2016/


Republicans if they do this stuff, the public will lose the trust on them and I am sure just for saving Trump's reputation, the party won't do that!

[bryant.coleman]

Just checked Realclearpolitics, and they still have Biden at 259.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/president/

They haven't yet called the outcome in Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Alaska. However, DecisionHQ has Biden at 279, with tossups at AZ, NC, GA and AK. Also, two of the senate races (North Carolina and Alaska) are also not called yet. Really shameful... the fact remains that United States presidential election results are not known even one week after the election day.. Some of the developed nations are much better than this..