Bitroulette.se - The First And Only True Random Online Roulette.

[bitroulette]

Hello bitcointalk!


My name is darkhelix and we are pleased to announce that we are launching the first beta of http://www.bitroulette.se . We have committed every ounce of energy we have into producing the best clean, user friendly, secure and most of all fun roulette gambling site on the net. We use 100% true random white noise generated stop positions for our wheel and do not require any extra flash, java or executable plugins. The system is 100% anonymous and all bitcoins in the casino bank are stored in cold storage to prevent theft.


Please visit our website for more details: htp://www.bitroulette.se


Check out a nice demo video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5b0WwpdWOY

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[FUR11]

This is the third roulette site I've seen this month.  Why do you say it's the first and only true one?

[bitroulette]

True random, meaning white noise generated random stopping numbers "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_noise" ... We obviously would not be the first "roulette" website on the net...

But we are the first of our kind... I will let everyone know when registration is open. Then you can try it out and write an honest review of the game play yourself..

[a1choi]

I think this sounds great that you're trying to use white noise, but how do the players know 100% sure that you are using the white-noise randomness 100% of the time for every single spin?

Provably fair alleviates this specific fear.  With provably fair, the trust is on the true randomness of the RNG.  But the fear that an RNG could be biased is a fear equally shared between the players and the house, so there is no inherent conflict of interests.

[bitroulette]

I think this sounds great that you're trying to use white noise, but how do the players know 100% sure that you are using the white-noise randomness 100% of the time for every single spin?

Provably fair alleviates this specific fear.  With provably fair, the trust is on the true randomness of the RNG.  But the fear that an RNG could be biased is a fear equally shared between the players and the house, so there is no inherent conflict of interests.

I personally believe RNG uses white noise audio files .wav on a loop. Instead of live fed static audio from ambient noise.

I would like to release a live video feed of our hardware setup for the numbering system in version 2. We obviously won't be handing over algos and schematics but we do as much as we can to ease the minds of players. There are plenty of ways to create a true random response one being multiple voltage points of a said server and or white noise audio which is what we use.


Eventually we will build up a good enough reputation that we won't have to prove ourselves. 

[Nobitcoin]

As a avid roulette player or gambler I would like to test out your site.  If your so sure that site is genuine can't you offer some free chips to test it?

[xypos]

I don't understand how can it be more random than random?
And why other website are not random?

[bitroulette]

As a avid roulette player or gambler I would like to test out your site.  If your so sure that site is genuine can't you offer some free chips to test it?

Shoot me a message on skype I would be glad to set you up with some free credits to play for awhile before we release the public version this Friday @  bitroulette_se on skype.

[FanEagle]

registration closed?
I wanna try it too

[bitroulette]

registration closed?
I wanna try it too

Shoot me a message on skype.. bitroulette_se be sure to tell me who you are on the forum.

[mem]

The First And Only True Random Online Roulette.

So straight off the bat your lying to promote your site ?
Hrmm, I suspect your running a scam or are just an operator with 0 morales.
Either way you will get noted in my list for false advertising.


edit: concerns regarding advertisement raised poorly by mem.

edit: does not look provably fair to me, SCAM ALERT !!!

[bitroulette]

I am not going to sit here and argue with you troll. Find another bitcoin roulette site that goes beyond "prob fair" using random.org or another third party.

First off we have not started accepting bets so we have not "scammed" anyone. You should not throw around false accusations so quickly without proof.

We have opened trials for users of the forum and have had some good feedback on the system.

We use white noise generated random numbers using a complete hardware setup, not a third party such as random.org making us the only "true random" generated setup on the net.


I suggest before you bad talk someones business you at least request a demonstration or give them try. Otherwise stay off my thread.

[mem]

I am not going to sit here and argue with you troll. Find another bitcoin roulette site that goes beyond "prob fair" using random.org or another third party.

First off we have not started accepting bets so we have not "scammed" anyone. You should not throw around false accusations so quickly without proof.

We have opened trials for users of the forum and have had some good feedback on the system.

We use white noise generated random numbers using a complete hardware setup, not a third party such as random.org making us the only "true random" generated setup on the net.


I suggest before you bad talk someones business you at least request a demonstration or give them try. Otherwise stay off my thread.

hey, if you cant explain your claims of "provably fair" then you should not be making ANY.

I looked through your website before making this post, I couldnt see how a player is expected to verify their bet results - can you enlighten me ?

For a true provably fair roulette game see satoshiroulette.com 's implementation.
site secret that changes every 24h + users txid are used to generate the resulting spin.

[bitroulette]

I am not going to sit here and argue with you troll. Find another bitcoin roulette site that goes beyond "prob fair" using random.org or another third party.

First off we have not started accepting bets so we have not "scammed" anyone. You should not throw around false accusations so quickly without proof.

We have opened trials for users of the forum and have had some good feedback on the system.

We use white noise generated random numbers using a complete hardware setup, not a third party such as random.org making us the only "true random" generated setup on the net.


I suggest before you bad talk someones business you at least request a demonstration or give them try. Otherwise stay off my thread.

hey, if you cant explain your claims of "provably fair" then you should not be making ANY.

I looked through your website before making this post, I couldnt see how a player is expected to verify their bet results - can you enlighten me ?

For a true provably fair roulette game see satoshiroulette.com 's implementation.
site secret that changes every 24h + users txid are used to generate the resulting spin.

That is NOT true random...

The closest/simplest way your going to get to TRUE RANDOM numbers is this "Below" based on a generator that uses avalanche noise. Which if you search the net has passed all almost all randomness tests. The others you are listing are Pseudo Random. For example downloading random images off google images and counting all of the black pixels would be considered "random" but not "true random". This might be a little over your head... I would do some reading before trying to call someone out. And as I listed in my previous post I would like a LIVE VIDEO FEED of our hardware in version 2 with a digital print out. I am not out to "scam" I am only out to change the scene. This is a hobby for me not my day job. Don't get so seriousss.

http://robseward.com/misc/RNG2/RNG_Version_2_images/rng2_circuit_small.png

reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_%28electronics%29#Avalanche_noise
reference: http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3469

I will however appease you and put all of this information on the website along with infographs and simplistic diagrams explaining how it works.

Thanks!

[mem]

I am not going to sit here and argue with you troll. Find another bitcoin roulette site that goes beyond "prob fair" using random.org or another third party.

First off we have not started accepting bets so we have not "scammed" anyone. You should not throw around false accusations so quickly without proof.

We have opened trials for users of the forum and have had some good feedback on the system.

We use white noise generated random numbers using a complete hardware setup, not a third party such as random.org making us the only "true random" generated setup on the net.


I suggest before you bad talk someones business you at least request a demonstration or give them try. Otherwise stay off my thread.

hey, if you cant explain your claims of "provably fair" then you should not be making ANY.

I looked through your website before making this post, I couldnt see how a player is expected to verify their bet results - can you enlighten me ?

For a true provably fair roulette game see satoshiroulette.com 's implementation.
site secret that changes every 24h + users txid are used to generate the resulting spin.

That is NOT true random...

The closest/simplest way your going to get to TRUE RANDOM numbers is this "Below" based on a generator that uses avalanche noise. Which if you search the net has passed all almost all randomness tests. The others you are listing are Pseudo Random. For example downloading random images off google images and counting all of the black pixels would be considered "random" but not "true random". This might be a little over your head... I would do some reading before trying to call someone out. And as I listed in my previous post I would like a LIVE VIDEO FEED of our hardware in version 2 with a digital print out. I am not out to "scam" I am only out to change the scene. This is a hobby for me not my day job. Don't get so seriousss.



reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_%28electronics%29#Avalanche_noise
reference: http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3469

I will however appease you and put all of this information on the website along with infographs and simplistic diagrams explaining how it works.

Thanks!

correct, but it is provably fair random which yours is not.

Im thrilled to see you sampling "your balls humidity level" to generate the seed for your RNG but we still need a way for players to verify their results which you are not demonstrating.

Additionally players need to be able to set their own seed if you really want to claim provably fair for random number games.

[bitroulette]

I am not going to sit here and argue with you troll. Find another bitcoin roulette site that goes beyond "prob fair" using random.org or another third party.

First off we have not started accepting bets so we have not "scammed" anyone. You should not throw around false accusations so quickly without proof.

We have opened trials for users of the forum and have had some good feedback on the system.

We use white noise generated random numbers using a complete hardware setup, not a third party such as random.org making us the only "true random" generated setup on the net.


I suggest before you bad talk someones business you at least request a demonstration or give them try. Otherwise stay off my thread.

hey, if you cant explain your claims of "provably fair" then you should not be making ANY.

I looked through your website before making this post, I couldnt see how a player is expected to verify their bet results - can you enlighten me ?

For a true provably fair roulette game see satoshiroulette.com 's implementation.
site secret that changes every 24h + users txid are used to generate the resulting spin.

That is NOT true random...

The closest/simplest way your going to get to TRUE RANDOM numbers is this "Below" based on a generator that uses avalanche noise. Which if you search the net has passed all almost all randomness tests. The others you are listing are Pseudo Random. For example downloading random images off google images and counting all of the black pixels would be considered "random" but not "true random". This might be a little over your head... I would do some reading before trying to call someone out. And as I listed in my previous post I would like a LIVE VIDEO FEED of our hardware in version 2 with a digital print out. I am not out to "scam" I am only out to change the scene. This is a hobby for me not my day job. Don't get so seriousss.

http://robseward.com/misc/RNG2/RNG_Version_2_images/rng2_circuit_small.png

reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_%28electronics%29#Avalanche_noise
reference: http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3469

I will however appease you and put all of this information on the website along with infographs and simplistic diagrams explaining how it works.

Thanks!

correct, but it is provably fair random which yours is not.

Im thrilled to see you sampling "your balls humidity level" to generate the seed for your RNG but we still need a way for players to verify their results which you are not demonstrating.

Additionally players need to be able to set their own seed if you really want to claim provably fair for random number games.

As I said before we have not opened for actual BTC betting and I am not here to get in a dick swinging contest. I am pretty sure I said we are TRUE RANDOM and no where on our site or this forum does it use the term "provably fair" regarding our business. So you should have stated that before you would play you would want to know that we are as you say "provably fair" and of course we will do that before opening for monetary betting. You just have a bad way of approaching people. 

There is inconsistency in your posts and defamation.

1. We do not claim the term Provably Fair - "This does not make us a scam"
2. We have not opened for monetary betting - "This does not make us a scam"
3. We never denied that we would prove random results. - "This does not make us a scam"

How about instead of "swinging your balls in the wind" you tell us what you would like to see and we will provide it. It is called constructive criticism...I can take it.

[mem]

I am not going to sit here and argue with you troll. Find another bitcoin roulette site that goes beyond "prob fair" using random.org or another third party.

First off we have not started accepting bets so we have not "scammed" anyone. You should not throw around false accusations so quickly without proof.

We have opened trials for users of the forum and have had some good feedback on the system.

We use white noise generated random numbers using a complete hardware setup, not a third party such as random.org making us the only "true random" generated setup on the net.


I suggest before you bad talk someones business you at least request a demonstration or give them try. Otherwise stay off my thread.

hey, if you cant explain your claims of "provably fair" then you should not be making ANY.

I looked through your website before making this post, I couldnt see how a player is expected to verify their bet results - can you enlighten me ?

For a true provably fair roulette game see satoshiroulette.com 's implementation.
site secret that changes every 24h + users txid are used to generate the resulting spin.

That is NOT true random...

The closest/simplest way your going to get to TRUE RANDOM numbers is this "Below" based on a generator that uses avalanche noise. Which if you search the net has passed all almost all randomness tests. The others you are listing are Pseudo Random. For example downloading random images off google images and counting all of the black pixels would be considered "random" but not "true random". This might be a little over your head... I would do some reading before trying to call someone out. And as I listed in my previous post I would like a LIVE VIDEO FEED of our hardware in version 2 with a digital print out. I am not out to "scam" I am only out to change the scene. This is a hobby for me not my day job. Don't get so seriousss.



reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_%28electronics%29#Avalanche_noise
reference: http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3469

I will however appease you and put all of this information on the website along with infographs and simplistic diagrams explaining how it works.

Thanks!

correct, but it is provably fair random which yours is not.

Im thrilled to see you sampling "your balls humidity level" to generate the seed for your RNG but we still need a way for players to verify their results which you are not demonstrating.

Additionally players need to be able to set their own seed if you really want to claim provably fair for random number games.

As I said before we have not opened for actual BTC betting and I am not here to get in a dick swinging contest. I am pretty sure I said we are TRUE RANDOM and no where on our site or this forum does it use the term "provably fair" regarding our business. So you should have stated that before you would play you would want to know that we are as you say "provably fair" and of course we will do that before opening for monetary betting. You just have a bad way of approaching people. 

There is inconsistency in your posts and defamation.

1. We do not claim the term Provably Fair - "This does not make us a scam"
2. We have not opened for monetary betting - "This does not make us a scam"
3. We never denied that we would prove random results. - "This does not make us a scam"

How about instead of "swinging your balls in the wind" you tell us what you would like to see and we will provide it. It is called constructive criticism...I can take it.

Well, It appears I may need to eat some humble pie.

Please, excuse my terrible approach to these concerns I have raised.

May we start again and address some key concerns:
1) You claim "The First And Only True Random Online Roulette", casino.bit (think thats the one) uses a real roulette table which I would argue is true random.
At this point it is hair splitting but I would argue you are not the first "true random".
2) I see in your reply you do have plans to provide a method for players to verify their roles, this is ideal.
3) Will players be able to set their own client seed ?

[bitroulette]

I will also agree that this thread got out of hand quickly and I am willing to do whatever it takes to make sure customers feel at ease when betting with us. Again sorry for snapping back so quickly.

Roulette wheels themselves are not true random, there are WAY to many factors that can disrupt the randomness of the wheel itself.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zj_9ypBnzg

I will look into client/server game seeding and talk to my cryptography programmer. Since we do use hardware to generate white noise which I have not heard of anyone else doing we may have to create our own seeding system based off the prov fair "engine". 

In the end all online casinos and games have some risk.  We have taken the stance to be ad free, spam free and are trying to create the most advanced random generated wheel that we can.


Off to bed now - dark signing out for the night.

[a1choi]

Mem, I really think you should remove the negative trust that you gave the OP.  Just because he doesn't have a provably fair casino doesn't mean that he is running a Scam casino.

There are some examples of non-provably fair casinos that are still fair, like live-feed video dealer roulette.  If OP is going to set up a video feed of the white-noise detector, that could suffice for fairness.

[FanEagle]

Mem, I really think you should remove the negative trust that you gave the OP.  Just because he doesn't have a provably fair casino doesn't mean that he is running a Scam casino.

There are some examples of non-provably fair casinos that are still fair, like live-feed video dealer roulette.  If OP is going to set up a video feed of the white-noise detector, that could suffice for fairness.

I totally agree. Lets give this roulette a chance.