Shit Hits the Fan: Australia joins US, India and Japan in Naval Exercise

[Lorence.xD]

The Malabar exercise incited WW3 fear as Australia joins the naval exercise which is a clear indicator that India is fighting back the aggression by China because in the past they never asked for Australia as a respect. This is wild for politics and I believe that if China continues their aggressive campaign to increase territory and influence then their relations with neighbors will turn more sour than ever. The politic side is pretty obvious and what I want to hear is your thoughts on this news economically.

For me, China has to answer to the sanctions that was issued to them and pay what is due. They also need to fix their relation with their neighbors especially South China Sea/West Philippine Sea. Export and import crossing South China Sea, Indian Ocean will surely suffer because tensions are high on this hotspots.

Link of the article: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1350257/WW3-news-China-US-America-India-Japan-Australia-military-drills-navy-south-china-sea-ont/amp

[Hydrogen]

Key points here.

The European Union is not participating
Which could indicate the EU leans in favor of global communism and is a strong ally of china.

China is expected to have at least six aircraft carrier battle groups by 2035
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/2185081/china-will-build-4-nuclear-aircraft-carriers-drive-catch-us-navy

China claimed hawaii, micronesia and much of the world as their territory as far back as 2014
This could indicate they openly acknowledge their master plan is to expand across the pacific.
http://www.miniharm.com/2014/08/27/chinas-world-map-claims-hawaii-micronesia/

A war between the united states and china could already be rigged in china's favor
I won't go into detail here, unless someone really wants me to. Suffice it to say china was given many advantages. They were able to steal all of the relevent information on F-22 and F-35 fighters to build their own J-20. China was given sensitive missile and communications technology by past US Presidents. There's a long list of tech and industrial processes china was able to steal or arrange to have acquired. They've done it for decades with no crackdown or retaliation. Its gotten to a point where america defeating china in a military conflict is no longer guaranteed.

[Lucius]

The European Union is not participating
Which could indicate the EU leans in favor of global communism and is a strong ally of china.

Should the EU be involved in something that is happening on the other side of the world? How much would it cost to send military forces to one such military exercise?

What should not be forgotten is that it was the Chinese who saved the EU in the last recession with huge amounts of money by entering various companies in countries that were or still are among the most influential in the EU (UK, Germany, France).

How much of Europe does China own?

A war between the united states and china could already be rigged in china's favor
Its gotten to a point where america defeating china in a military conflict is no longer guaranteed.

I would not agree that China would risk a world war at this time or in the near future, because retaliation would be not only from the United States, but from all its allies - and China is not up to it, despite all its achievements and technological developments.


Lorence.xD , WW3 is something that has been successfully sold (in the yellow press) for more than 70 years - I've heard about it all my life and believe me that such a war is not in anyone's interest. I have personally experienced one war in my life, and I can tell you that it is hell on earth, and WW3 might be the end for humanity given the atomic/chemical/biological arsenal we possess today.

[Raytheon]

They also need to fix their relation with their neighbors especially South China Sea/West Philippine Sea.

China has been active to warm up its relationship with ASEAN countries lately. As far as I can say, it was fairly successful with that. About 8-9 countries in ASEAN would stay by China's side or at least stay neutral if a war between China and the US happened.

However, I personally don't find any surprise that Australia joins the US, India and Japan in a naval excercise, providing that Australia is a member of the US' "Five Eyes". Its appearance is more like a claim that Australia is a close ally of the US.

I would not agree that China would risk a world war at this time or in the near future, because retaliation would be not only from the United States, but from all its allies - and China is not up to it, despite all its achievements and technological developments.

Sure a direct conflict with the US is not something that China would want. Despite having a strong military force, China doesn't have any powerful allies, aside from Pakistan, Cambodia and some African countries. But what if China attacks to take control Taiwan? There would be a lot of scenarios here. I'm also against wars, but if China did that, and in fact it's very likely, then WW3 might come.

[el kaka22]

China has the chance that they could do whatever they want and they would never be outvoted by another party, there is really no chance that the ruling party of China will ever lose, which gives them a big big advantage over other nations. India will probably answer because it is directly affecting them and that is why they will be capable of answering without fear of losing the votes, hell if they do not answer it would hurt them more so they have to answer. However there is a fear of losing votes from nations like USA and Australia.

Japan might be serious too because they are very close to china and they do not want china to ever feel like they could take anything from Japan neither, but let's be honest China is not bothering with Australia and USA, those are far away lands that they can't claim.

[Twentyonepaylots]

China is really up for something, they are like playing chess as if their pieces are all queens, we can't see why they are doing this, for me they are wanting something global catastrophe to happen resulting to devastation to most countries. I find Chinese government as disrespectful one, especially with the UNCLOS agreement in west Philippine Sea, they started building artificial island and patrolling the whole area without even consulting.

[BIT-BENDER]

China economic development, military strength, many more power country endowments are rising, if the hunger for global power gets into Chinese top priority then a doom is close.
The chinese are taking over boundaries from countries far off, my country is in a loan deal with china which to speculation threatens the sovereignty of part of my country.

[BrewMaster]

A war between the united states and china could already be rigged in china's favor
Its gotten to a point where america defeating china in a military conflict is no longer guaranteed.

I would not agree that China would risk a world war at this time or in the near future, because retaliation would be not only from the United States, but from all its allies - and China is not up to it, despite all its achievements and technological developments.

a different type of war has already been taking place for over a decade now. an economical war with China being ahead while they keep increasing their foothold all around the world in different continents even in US.
my speculation is that in a couple of years an armed conflict is not going to even be possible because China will simply reply with "if you threaten us with conflict, we will crush  your economy and starve you to death".

[dothebeats]

China is waging war against these allied powers for decades now, in the form of debt traps on small nations that are vital for the US and friends’ trade routes, imports and exports. They are doing it on African countries currently, with some countries in the Pacific and the largest one being the Philippines. Ridiculously, the Philippine government seem to be very cooperative of this setup to China, even agreeing to a joint natural gas expedition on the disputed Spratly islands in the West Philippine Sea.

All in all, everything is going towards China’s favor IMO, from a sociopolitical and economic standpoint. While most countries condemn China for their strategic overtaking of a country’s resources by offering debts and insane terms, most of these countries appear to be very careful on the words that they say.

[samcrypto]

Despite of the growing tension between these great countries, I still believe that WWIII wont happen this year or even next year because China can’t afford that war and yes we can’t afford to have that War too. Its good that US, Australia and Japan is supporting the small countries around South China Sea this can at least lower the tension and make a pressure to China not to do something bad. Though many wars between rebel and other countries are still happening right now, let’s pray for a WWIII not to happen because many will suffer again.

[hatshepsut93]

The Malabar exercise incited WW3 fear as Australia joins the naval exercise which is a clear indicator that India is fighting back the aggression by China because in the past they never asked for Australia as

Remember how millennials and zoomers were spamming WW3 memes when there was tension between the US and Iran? This is even worse, because this is just a military exercise, they are conducted all the time, and they often look very provocative, like when they happen right next to someone's borders, because that's partially the point of a military exercise - to demonstrate your strength to your opponent. We are more like to see Bitcoin reach $1 billion than seeing a WW3 in the closest time.

[jossiel]

This thread is relative to Politics & Society.

For me, China has to answer to the sanctions that was issued to them and pay what is due. They also need to fix their relation with their neighbors especially South China Sea/West Philippine Sea. Export and import crossing South China Sea, Indian Ocean will surely suffer because tensions are high on this hotspots.

This won't happen.

I'm far from seeing them to be friendly as friendly as accepting the verdict of Internationa Tribunal regards to their neighboring countries about sea domination and ownership.

[Lorence.xD]

Should the EU be involved in something that is happening on the other side of the world? How much would it cost to send military forces to one such military exercise?

I think they should be involved because this could escalate into a nuclear warfare. Every country should actively participate in preventing our extinction because of conflict. Helping does not necessarily mean military.

What should not be forgotten is that it was the Chinese who saved the EU in the last recession with huge amounts of money by entering various companies in countries that were or still are among the most influential in the EU (UK, Germany, France).

I do not think that they should think about the debt they owe when a war could brew. What is the point of a prosperous economy when you are living in a nuclear winter theoretically.

I would not agree that China would risk a world war at this time or in the near future, because retaliation would be not only from the United States, but from all its allies - and China is not up to it, despite all its achievements and technological developments.

Yeah, I do agree to that is why I said in my pot that they should make a less aggressive territorial approach towards their neighboring countries. Remember in Indian-China Border where there was an armed conflict between two forces. Definitely the allies of the US will help but we can't afford a full scale war, China knows this too that is why they are aggresive towards their neo-colonial expansion.

Lorence.xD , WW3 is something that has been successfully sold (in the yellow press) for more than 70 years - I've heard about it all my life and believe me that such a war is not in anyone's interest. I have personally experienced one war in my life, and I can tell you that it is hell on earth, and WW3 might be the end for humanity given the atomic/chemical/biological arsenal we possess today.

They did sold it pretty well then because I am living in South East Asia Region and my country is affected by this expansion too and our leader is neutered against China because he believes that CCP is our country's friend. I think this will pop some string into a WW3 because India back then did not want Australia to join the excercise out of respect for China.

[Lorence.xD]

a different type of war has already been taking place for over a decade now. an economical war with China being ahead while they keep increasing their foothold all around the world in different continents even in US.
my speculation is that in a couple of years an armed conflict is not going to even be possible because China will simply reply with "if you threaten us with conflict, we will crush  your economy and starve you to death".

I did a topic on that, the Belt and Road Initiative is an ambitious economic conquest of China that aims for a long term benefit. That is more scarier than armed conflict because they are involved in a countries which means that the CCP will be able to sway decisions in that country. China is still far from winning from this economic war because other countries are catching up as to what is happening and they are doing their best to prevent this veiled deceit from putting deep roots in many countries.

[Darker45]

A war between the united states and china could already be rigged in china's favor
Its gotten to a point where america defeating china in a military conflict is no longer guaranteed.

I would not agree that China would risk a world war at this time or in the near future, because retaliation would be not only from the United States, but from all its allies - and China is not up to it, despite all its achievements and technological developments.

a different type of war has already been taking place for over a decade now. an economical war with China being ahead while they keep increasing their foothold all around the world in different continents even in US.
my speculation is that in a couple of years an armed conflict is not going to even be possible because China will simply reply with "if you threaten us with conflict, we will crush  your economy and starve you to death".

This is what's been going on for a while now and it seems China is winning.

All this show of arms is kind of old school. Australia is joining the naval exercises, yes, and it has made the news. It's been made into a big deal of sorts by political observers. But, mate, shopping in Australia gives you China feels. Everything is made in China. China is the largest trading partner of Australia.

[Hydrogen]

The European Union is not participating
Which could indicate the EU leans in favor of global communism and is a strong ally of china.

Should the EU be involved in something that is happening on the other side of the world? How much would it cost to send military forces to one such military exercise?

What should not be forgotten is that it was the Chinese who saved the EU in the last recession with huge amounts of money by entering various companies in countries that were or still are among the most influential in the EU (UK, Germany, France).

How much of Europe does China own?

The united states spearheads the majority of EU military operations in iraq, afghanistan and the middle east over the last 20 years. Those regions reside in the EU's backyard on the opposite side of the planet from the USA. I'm not certain if the united states and european union could be considered allies if americans are willing to travel to the other side of the planet to help the EU defend its interests. While the EU is unwilling to do the same to support US interests.

The EU's main driving focus has always been aggressive expansionism. To acquire as many nations under its border as possible. Why?

US TARP bailouts were issued to european banks, who then distributed funds as loans to flailing european governments. This trend of the US bailing out european banks, who then bailed out european governments through loans, continued for many years. It was the united states who saved the EU through bailouts, not china.

A war between the united states and china could already be rigged in china's favor
Its gotten to a point where america defeating china in a military conflict is no longer guaranteed.

I would not agree that China would risk a world war at this time or in the near future, because retaliation would be not only from the United States, but from all its allies - and China is not up to it, despite all its achievements and technological developments.

News sources have repeated over and over, thousands of times. Saying the united states "has no friends or allies with Donald Trump as President". The united states "lost" the support of the global community, and isolated itself, by raising tariffs on china. This is the common theme that has been repeated over the last 4 years. It could also be the reason only the USA, japan, india and australia are participating in the war game.

I agree china may not be up to the task and could economically implode the way the USSR did. Already we see power struggles between Xi Jinpeng and the communist party. Which could deteriorate into civil war or infighting which hurts their expansion efforts.

Lorence.xD , WW3 is something that has been successfully sold (in the yellow press) for more than 70 years - I've heard about it all my life and believe me that such a war is not in anyone's interest. I have personally experienced one war in my life, and I can tell you that it is hell on earth, and WW3 might be the end for humanity given the atomic/chemical/biological arsenal we possess today.

Shadow leaders of the world do not want World War III.

Its too large of a conflict and too difficult to control.

That doesn't rule out long term, human, suffering however. Unfortunately for us.

[Lorence.xD]

Despite of the growing tension between these great countries, I still believe that WWIII wont happen this year or even next year because China can’t afford that war and yes we can’t afford to have that War too. Its good that US, Australia and Japan is supporting the small countries around South China Sea this can at least lower the tension and make a pressure to China not to do something bad. Though many wars between rebel and other countries are still happening right now, let’s pray for a WWIII not to happen because many will suffer again.

It might not happen but the chances that a full scale conflict is still high. Remember that the India and China border conflict is still a fresh wound that both nations are trying to blame the other. I do not think this exercise is necessary because this only strum the wrong strings when it comes to resolving the conflict in diplomatic and peaceful way. Small scale wars should be resolved by the government of each nation and their people by agreeing to accept aide from countries, there are countries that do not want help which prolongs this easily solvable conflict if proper aide, be it military or economically.

[crzy]

Despite of the growing tension between these great countries, I still believe that WWIII wont happen this year or even next year because China can’t afford that war and yes we can’t afford to have that War too. Its good that US, Australia and Japan is supporting the small countries around South China Sea this can at least lower the tension and make a pressure to China not to do something bad. Though many wars between rebel and other countries are still happening right now, let’s pray for a WWIII not to happen because many will suffer again.

It might not happen but the chances that a full scale conflict is still high. Remember that the India and China border conflict is still a fresh wound that both nations are trying to blame the other. I do not think this exercise is necessary because this only strum the wrong strings when it comes to resolving the conflict in diplomatic and peaceful way. Small scale wars should be resolved by the government of each nation and their people by agreeing to accept aide from countries, there are countries that do not want help which prolongs this easily solvable conflict if proper aide, be it military or economically.

The tension is getting higher everyday as long as China didn't stop from provoking many countries especially on their boarders and on South China Sea. The WAR is on the hand of China, I hope they wont do much to prevent a situation like this we can't really afford this one especially the developing countries who don't have much power when to protect their own territory.

[Lorence.xD]

Remember how millennials and zoomers were spamming WW3 memes when there was tension between the US and Iran? This is even worse, because this is just a military exercise, they are conducted all the time, and they often look very provocative, like when they happen right next to someone's borders, because that's partially the point of a military exercise - to demonstrate your strength to your opponent. We are more like to see Bitcoin reach $1 billion than seeing a WW3 in the closest time.

That is a wishful thinking, reaching a billion dollars. The comparison is not the same, Iran is not a nuclear state and US made sure of that when they made a virus to stop the machine that enrich uranium. On the other hand, China sadly is a nuclear one. We know that US Capitalism and China Communism has been in standoff relation for a long time. The incident in the India and China border is still a fresh wound for both of the countries involved and rubbing salt by exercising provocation measures is not the best route.

[Juggy777]

This thread is relative to Politics & Society.

For me, China has to answer to the sanctions that was issued to them and pay what is due. They also need to fix their relation with their neighbors especially South China Sea/West Philippine Sea. Export and import crossing South China Sea, Indian Ocean will surely suffer because tensions are high on this hotspots.

This won't happen.

I'm far from seeing them to be friendly as friendly as accepting the verdict of Internationa Tribunal regards to their neighboring countries about sea domination and ownership.

@jossiel you’re right that this thread doesn’t belong here, and coming back to the topic China has been planning to become a super power and capture as many territories it can, and all of this was highlighted in Xi Jinping plan. Furthermore I’m not sure how do you’ll expect a war with China to happen, because even if China is defeated (which I doubt will happen) but even then how will the remaining countries restore the global economy as China is one of the biggest economy, and no other country can step in and immediately replace them.

Sources:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/05/22/commentary/world-commentary/china-really-want-dominate-world/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/china-us-war/594793/

https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/why-there-wont-be-a-us-china-war/

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-now-world’s-largest-economy-we-shouldn’t-be-shocked-170719