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November 06, 2020, 04:46:52 PM
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Do not forget that this is a calculation of many indicators, not just two or three. This includes not only a rise in the price of any product, but also an increase in the buyer's salary. You understand that if yesterday you received $ 1 / hour and the Burger cost $ 1, then if today you get $ 1.5 / hour and the Burger costs $ 1.5 an hour, then nothing has actually changed?
And based on an incredibly large number of indicators, such charts of 1-2% inflation are formed.

It's actually possible they factor in the increase in salary., but I wonder if that is a good way to calculate inflation of goods and services.
The increase in wages/salaries could even cause inflation of goods and services if things are not produced fast enough without lowering their standards. You are basically pumping in more money in the economy... so their will be higher spending and higher demand for goods and services in the economy. Your goods and services could even become expensive in international market, especially in places with cheap things & low salary

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November 06, 2020, 09:11:33 PM
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Do not forget that this is a calculation of many indicators, not just two or three. This includes not only a rise in the price of any product, but also an increase in the buyer's salary. You understand that if yesterday you received $ 1 / hour and the Burger cost $ 1, then if today you get $ 1.5 / hour and the Burger costs $ 1.5 an hour, then nothing has actually changed?
And based on an incredibly large number of indicators, such charts of 1-2% inflation are formed.

Yes, and this is how the price of some consumer goods (like eggs) have actually fallen over the years. In 1920, a dozen eggs cost ~5% of the average daily wage in the US. Today, that same dozen costs ~0.5% of the average daily wage.

However, the BLS overemphasizes some metrics and under-emphasizes others by virtue of how they weight the CPI's basket of goods. For example, they calculate CPI in a way that completely hides soaring health care costs: https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/cpi-vs-reality-medical-care-costs-soar-out-of-control

So sure, The CPI is right that I can buy a shitload of factory farmed eggs for cheap today, but it's very deceptive in terms of health care. And of course, the CPI doesn't even consider soaring asset prices (real estate, stocks, gold, BTC) which is obviously a major concern for anyone worried about their savings losing value.

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November 06, 2020, 09:45:19 PM
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Is the cost of living inflation? In the currency we living ? because it is really rises now a days and all other's stuff some countries are trying to control the growth and others are full in debt because of the loans , not everything goes up. and always keep in 1% or 0.90 etc.

Here are the sample of countries : https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate
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November 06, 2020, 09:59:47 PM
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I'm not very knowledgeable with this, but is it possible for the price of things to go back to the way they were in the past?

For example, in the 90s a quarter was very convenient. You could buy potato chips, play a game in the arcade. Just take one coin out and that was awesome. Now potato chips requires two quarter (and bring less) and that's just not as convenient. It's something that I'm always thinking about when I do buy a bag of potato chips. That convenience of one quarter versus two.
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November 07, 2020, 07:42:52 AM
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Before everything had many advantages Inflation was very low in the past and no one would be able to control anything except the government inflation including the country's economy is on the rise due to the intervention of political leaders and lack of proper government control. He is lagging behind in terms of education and initiation he has done a lot of good work it is never possible to go back to the past but the reason for the rise in prices is inflation.
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November 07, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
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Which inflation are you talking about here, the US dollar? I don’t live in the US so I can’t 100% tell for them if there has been any inflation, but with all these things that have happened is possible that there is. The lockdown caused inflation in my country and right now the inflation is not stopping.

People were complaining after the lockdown that things have gotten worse and with time we decided to get over everything that has happened, and recently the price of goods started increasing again and I don’t know what’s causing this one, whether it’s because of the holidays that coming or what?
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November 07, 2020, 03:16:46 PM
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Many countries fake their inflation rates. Real inflation can be measured only by purchasing power, thus people use things like the big mac index for reference.
Your government can claim that inflation is at 5% but if you have to pay 10% more for bread, milk, sugar, it means the real loss of value of the currency was close to 10%, not 5 like the government wants you to think.

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November 07, 2020, 05:26:08 PM
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During this lockdown in our country the products and services rate were increasing due to lack of productions costs such as wages and raw materials. Also the surge in demand of products can cause inflations were a customers willing to pay the amount. So some people truly wonder why these things happening since during this time a lot of people don't have a job and can't afford to pay for higher rate in products and services.
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November 07, 2020, 07:01:46 PM
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Your government can claim that inflation is at 5% but if you have to pay 10% more for bread, milk, sugar, it means the real loss of value of the currency was close to 10%, not 5 like the government wants you to think

It would be too easy to catch the government lying about inflation rates like this

For example, if it were fabricating inflation rates for a decade and prices, say, the price of milk, would be rising real 10% annually instead of reported 5%, after ten years the margin of error would have added up dramatically and been too great to conceal. That would completely discredit the government. The point is, they have most certainly invented subtler ways of rigging inflation stats to make it look a little bit more plausible

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November 07, 2020, 07:22:23 PM
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is it fooling around? What’re they hiding from us? Why they hide from us? Why? Are they robbery?
If you are talking about the price of goods or the market mechanism, generally a 1% increase in inflation or a decrease of 1%, requires a process, If you see that the price goes up by the 1 or 2 item method alone it is not inflation as you say, unless, if you find it widely and other products.

Many factors cause inflation to increase.
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People's needs increase day by day or liquidity and speculation increases, to other things such as distribution, unstable economy etc.

That is, nothing is hidden or robbed of the high price of goods 1% or 2% cannot say or show that it will happen Inflation.

I just want to say, alright they’re not lying, inflation rate was truly at 1%, hooray!
Brrr, this is not the purpose of this thread!!!!

I go to AMAZON, ALIEXPRESS, I go to WALMART, I go to everywhere! Nothing tell me the price of their product just 1% inflated. Tell me what items on this universe AMAZON didn’t sell? I think they sell every damn thing that can move on this planet, even virtual items!!

ALL damn thing inflated more than 1% on this planet earth! ALL, ALL, ALL!! Stop hiding!
This is the law of supply and demand of the universe. Why are you retorting about the 1% inflation claim?
It seems that almost all of your articles are pretty negative about the current government and society. So what do you want from the country you live in? Are articles about such predictions by financial experts also upsetting you? Why don't you try to put yourself in their shoes and imagine what they need to tackle?
My advice to you is that you should have a positive thought and deeper insight instead of being consistently negative in every daily news. Wink
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November 09, 2020, 11:11:20 PM
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is it fooling around? What’re they hiding from us? Why they hide from us? Why? Are they robbery?
If you are talking about the price of goods or the market mechanism, generally a 1% increase in inflation or a decrease of 1%, requires a process, If you see that the price goes up by the 1 or 2 item method alone it is not inflation as you say, unless, if you find it widely and other products.

Many factors cause inflation to increase.
Example;
People's needs increase day by day or liquidity and speculation increases, to other things such as distribution, unstable economy etc.

That is, nothing is hidden or robbed of the high price of goods 1% or 2% cannot say or show that it will happen Inflation.



This is the law of supply and demand of the universe. Why are you retorting about the 1% inflation claim?
It seems that almost all of your articles are pretty negative about the current government and society. So what do you want from the country you live in? Are articles about such predictions by financial experts also upsetting you? Why don't you try to put yourself in their shoes and imagine what they need to tackle?
My advice to you is that you should have a positive thought and deeper insight instead of being consistently negative in every daily news. Wink

For a guy who sit on office with silver lining, the blue collar such as Jamie Dimon who receive high pay for absolutely doing nothing, yup they definitely have plenty of hardship to tackle. They’re very unsecured about their malpractices and need to create more lies and manipulation to hide the truth.

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November 10, 2020, 02:13:46 AM
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is it fooling around? What’re they hiding from us? Why they hide from us? Why? Are they robbery?
If you are talking about the price of goods or the market mechanism, generally a 1% increase in inflation or a decrease of 1%, requires a process, If you see that the price goes up by the 1 or 2 item method alone it is not inflation as you say, unless, if you find it widely and other products.

Many factors cause inflation to increase.
Example;
People's needs increase day by day or liquidity and speculation increases, to other things such as distribution, unstable economy etc.

That is, nothing is hidden or robbed of the high price of goods 1% or 2% cannot say or show that it will happen Inflation.



This is the law of supply and demand of the universe. Why are you retorting about the 1% inflation claim?
It seems that almost all of your articles are pretty negative about the current government and society. So what do you want from the country you live in? Are articles about such predictions by financial experts also upsetting you? Why don't you try to put yourself in their shoes and imagine what they need to tackle?
My advice to you is that you should have a positive thought and deeper insight instead of being consistently negative in every daily news. Wink

For a guy who sit on office with silver lining, the blue collar such as Jamie Dimon who receive high pay for absolutely doing nothing, yup they definitely have plenty of hardship to tackle. They’re very unsecured about their malpractices and need to create more lies and manipulation to hide the truth.
LOL, you do not know tha those are the typw of the guys how they end up like that. They are good on making lies and that is how they reach to that point by making lies on order to protect their gains and influences that they had been making. Well, anything on this earth could pass through hope they enjoy their life and make a good use of it before all of us left this earthly life.
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November 10, 2020, 05:37:58 AM
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is it fooling around? What’re they hiding from us? Why they hide from us? Why? Are they robbery?

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For a guy who sit on office with silver lining, the blue collar such as Jamie Dimon who receive high pay for absolutely doing nothing, yup they definitely have plenty of hardship to tackle. They’re very unsecured about their malpractices and need to create more lies and manipulation to hide the truth.
LOL, you do not know tha those are the typw of the guys how they end up like that. They are good on making lies and that is how they reach to that point by making lies on order to protect their gains and influences that they had been making. Well, anything on this earth could pass through hope they enjoy their life and make a good use of it before all of us left this earthly life.

They’re slowly digging into their graveyards when they single-handed turn the entire financial market into a place of uncontrollable clustered dump sites, and bitcoin starting to gain traction and threaten their position on an absolute moated well walled garden, when institutional investors beginning to dump financial market in opted to bitcoin, their days might be  numbered, or might be in a morally critically questionable and dangerously irreparable condition where they don’t feel all comfortable with what they’ve done for the entire lifetime. It might be a massive challenge to gain trust again after being exposed, man are getting too smart on detecting their snake oils.

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November 10, 2020, 04:11:11 PM
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The thing about these type of people that they always live with the mindset of "I got mine" and they do not even think about the future of their own children. There are plenty of companies who ruin the world right now, the earth and the climate that will make things not easy to live, more places that will burn, more places that will be flooded, more places that is drought ridden and at that point you could have a billion dollars in cash but you will be in a mad max universe, so what would money do to help you?

This is why I think it is highly important that we realize we do not believe anything they say or do since they do not even care about their own future, they know they will live another 10-20 maybe at tops 30 years and they will see world go bad for a short period but they want to be wealthy during that last days and after that they don't mind world becoming inhospitable to humans.

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November 10, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
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The thing about these type of people that they always live with the mindset of "I got mine" and they do not even think about the future of their own children. There are plenty of companies who ruin the world right now, the earth and the climate that will make things not easy to live, more places that will burn, more places that will be flooded, more places that is drought ridden and at that point you could have a billion dollars in cash but you will be in a mad max universe, so what would money do to help you?

This is why I think it is highly important that we realize we do not believe anything they say or do since they do not even care about their own future, they know they will live another 10-20 maybe at tops 30 years and they will see world go bad for a short period but they want to be wealthy during that last days and after that they don't mind world becoming inhospitable to humans.
But then again, we can't really not trust them because it is in our best interest to follow their rules and trust that they will do things right. After all they are the ones who directly run the country, what we can do however is just to ensure that they indeed do what they are intended to and to realize that we gotta do our own researches, but be careful with the information that you collect as not everything you gathered will be true.

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November 11, 2020, 03:39:31 PM
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Your government can claim that inflation is at 5% but if you have to pay 10% more for bread, milk, sugar, it means the real loss of value of the currency was close to 10%, not 5 like the government wants you to think

It would be too easy to catch the government lying about inflation rates like this

For example, if it were fabricating inflation rates for a decade and prices, say, the price of milk, would be rising real 10% annually instead of reported 5%, after ten years the margin of error would have added up dramatically and been too great to conceal. That would completely discredit the government. The point is, they have most certainly invented subtler ways of rigging inflation stats to make it look a little bit more plausible

It’s pointless to catch them lying, because you will always behind them by one step, they create lie and you debunk it, you’re wasting your time while their lies are being productive and make them a lot of monetary gain, the point of this thread is not about picking out every lie they make, the point is to make awareness, victims are everywhere and they’re often get targeted by this notorious scammers who prefer indoctrination over education.

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November 11, 2020, 07:26:26 PM
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Your government can claim that inflation is at 5% but if you have to pay 10% more for bread, milk, sugar, it means the real loss of value of the currency was close to 10%, not 5 like the government wants you to think

It would be too easy to catch the government lying about inflation rates like this

For example, if it were fabricating inflation rates for a decade and prices, say, the price of milk, would be rising real 10% annually instead of reported 5%, after ten years the margin of error would have added up dramatically and been too great to conceal. That would completely discredit the government. The point is, they have most certainly invented subtler ways of rigging inflation stats to make it look a little bit more plausible

It’s pointless to catch them lying

I tend to disagree with this view, but I more or less understand what your conclusion is based on. It is called "learned helplessness". But there is only one thing worse than false hope, and it is false hopelessness. And while we are at it, you are not quite consistent in your reasoning. You say that the point is to raise awareness, okay then. But how are you going to get there if not by exposing lies? As I see it, it is one of the best tools to do just that

Besides, lies, and more so deliberate lies, are highly toxic for the very person who is lying, destructive for his own integrity (even the term integrity implies exactly that). However, it is not some abstract government that is lying to us. It is always concrete people who are telling lies. And whenever the lies of one such person get exposed, he gets a nine-inch nail into the coffin of his integrity (you can call that karma). You don't even need to expose this person as such

Exposing lies will do just as good simply because "if the shoe fits..."

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