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April 05, 2021, 09:09:41 PM
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I trust GazetaBitcoin as a reliable person and as a professional and experienced translator and can confirm that I've never had any problems at his translations of my topics.
It's great to see GazetaBitcoin and NeuroticFish dedicated to improve the Romanian translation of the original Bitcoin whitepaper.  Smiley

Thank you so much, 1miau, for your support! I can not express with words how much I thank you for getting involved on this matter...  May the Great spirit of Cats watch you and thank you again for your kind words. I really tried to make things right and it is a great feeling I have seeing such many reputable forum members supporting my (and NeuroticFish's too) initiative!

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April 06, 2021, 10:48:44 PM
Last edit: April 06, 2021, 10:58:48 PM by fillippone
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Hello.
I just commented on the PR on Github with my account.
You have translated a few articles into Romanian and I know from there how much dedication you put into your work.



Hope this helps your cause.

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April 07, 2021, 08:34:41 AM
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Grazie fillippone for your feedback! It's much appreciated! Thank you so much! I really hope that all these inputs will lead to a positive outcome regarding the new proposed translation!

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Local Romanian poster. I've printed the shameful translation a long time ago and gave it to someone close who I thought would understand Bitcoin much easier. They were even more confused after reading the nonsense translation than they were before. That's when I found out how bad the old translation is.

I can confirm Gazeta and Neurotic's work is properly written and translated. Well done to both of them for the hard work, and shame on me for completely missing this thread on the forum as I would've more than happily helped out with the translation too! Cheesy

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April 09, 2021, 06:41:09 AM
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Local Romanian poster. I've printed the shameful translation a long time ago and gave it to someone close who I thought would understand Bitcoin much easier. They were even more confused after reading the nonsense translation than they were before. That's when I found out how bad the old translation is.

Thank you for confirming this, kevin.

I can confirm Gazeta and Neurotic's work is properly written and translated. Well done to both of them for the hard work

Thank you also and thank you very much for confirming this as well. It is very important to have Romanians confirming the quality of the new proposed translation. I really appreciate your feedback on this matter, kevin!

shame on me for completely missing this thread on the forum as I would've more than happily helped out with the translation too! Cheesy

It's okay, don't worry Smiley I am sure we will have many other opportunities to work together in the future, for the benefit of the forum!

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April 09, 2021, 04:15:57 PM
Last edit: April 09, 2021, 04:50:18 PM by NeuroticFish
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Update:

The new translation was merged to Bitcoin master repository. (Hooray!)

The website still shows the old translator and links the old pdf document.
I don't know how / what is the procedure for that too, I don't know if the guys simply need time for that, is it us who have to do it, or I just have to post an "issue", but I'd say that we're on the right track, since it got approved.


And it's also available for download on the white paper page (although for now still with the old translator's name)

Thank you all for the feedback!

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April 09, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
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Update:

The new translation was merged to Bitcoin master repository. (Hooray!)

The website still shows the old translator and links the old pdf document.
I don't know how / what is the procedure for that too, I don't know if the guys simply need time for that, is it us who have to do it, or I just have to post an "issue", but I'd say that we're on the right track, since it got approved.


And it's also available for download on the white paper page (although for now still with the old translator's name)

Thank you all for the feedback!


Wonderful news, thank you @gazetabitcoin and @NeuroticFish for your accomplishment.
You put a lot of effort in what you do to spred the knowledge of the gospel fo Satoshi!

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April 10, 2021, 12:04:56 PM
Last edit: April 11, 2021, 02:41:52 PM by GazetaBitcoin
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It is a great day to live! I wanted to write a very special message here for this accomplishment, but I simply could not find proper words. So what I'm writing is straight and coming out of my mind right as we speak...

The new translation has been accepted!


In the above screenshot you can see a part of its first page. The highlighted part says:

"Romanian translation realized by Gazeta Bitcoin
Proof reading and adapted diagrams realized by NeuroticFish
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Feel free to check the entire document here: https://bitcoin.org/files/bitcoin-paper/bitcoin_ro.pdf.

It's been a huge amount of work, which took months for making it flawless. But without NeuroticFish it could not be done. He helped me with reading, re-reading and re-re [...] -reading the document for so many times, spotting typos, various errors, bringing suggestions for a better formulation of the text... I remember that a very delicate part was to find a proper (and also idiomatic, and I want to accentuate this - idiomatic) way to say in Romanian the names of two problems mentioned by Satoshi: The Gambler's Ruin Problem and The Binomial Random Walk. Many economic, statistics or mathematics problems which have a foreign name have also a translated name. But not all of them. And, anyway, even if they have a translated name in a specific language, there are high chances to not know the respective name unless you are experienced in the respective field. The names of these two problems... gave us problems, to say so Smiley So we just thought and thought how they should be spelled in Romanian. I wanted so much to have just a perfect translation. NeuroticFish, on his side, he is a perfectionist as I also am. Sometimes, a perfectionist may be seen as pushy by others. Or as insisting too much. He knew that. But I also knew that, as I know how I am seen sometimes by others. He excused himself for insisting on some matters, but I told him: "NeuroticFish, never worry about the way I see when you insist on some things! I want you to do it! And I thank you for acting on this manner, because only this way we can target perfection!". I needed such a person to collaborate with, as this work was about showing full respect and dedication for what Satoshi did... So, coming back to those two problems, I initially found a way to say their names in Romanian, then NeuroticFish came with another suggestion, then I came with another suggestion... Then we both started to search the Internet deeper and deeper for finding any possible clue if those problems had a Romanian name. Those two names - just this part, which seem so simple - took us a few days, if I remember well...

And that was just an example of how hard this work was. There are many English words or words used in cryptography or in Computer Science which do not have a Romanian counterpart. Some have, but sound not so natural. And yet, they are Romanian words. This part took also a great amount of time. Two such examples are "nonce" (which does not exist in Romanian) and "byte" (which exists in Romanian, in two variants - "bait" and "octet")...

I could give many other examples of this thorough and elaborate work, but this is not the main focus of this post. I just wanted to say a few examples of what I remember, things which seem so simple and yet they are very complicated.

Excepting his help on such kind of situations he also adapted all the diagrams in Romanian. Furthermore, even the mathematics formulas used by Satoshi are also translated in Romanian, as they contain a few words in English.





In the end, this tremendous work was finished... But, somehow, the hardest part was just about to come: meaning to see the final outcome of the new proposed translation. To see if it will be accepted by bitcoin.org's maintainers. So we asked for help. For opinions from other experienced members. Some kind users gave very useful advice. I went even more far: I asked theymos for guidance. And theymos was also kind and offered me precious guidelines for how to proceed. I take this occasion for thanking him personally for helping with sharing his great knowledge with me in the matter of performing a pull request. He warned me though that I should seek Romanians to confirm the quality of the new translation as otherwise Cøbra would not be able to accept the new proposed translation as he would not know anything about its quality, nor about its author and nor about NeuroticFish, which created the pull request.

As a consequence, when Cøbra wrote on GitHub that

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Thank you for this, unfortunately it's hard for us to review the quality of a translation, so it can sometimes happen that a bad translation of the whitepaper slips through.

As @Komodorpudel said, we will wait for a native Romanian speaker to confirm the quality of this particular translation, and then we will merge.

I already knew that this was supposed to happen.

The good part was that Cøbra and Komodorpudel had their eyes on the new proposed translation, which, for me, was another reason to fear about. Indeed, I also feared that the pull request will not be observed or maybe it will not get anybody's attention. I was happy to see I was wrong about that.

The hard part was to have indeed people to confirm the quality of the new translation and people who can confirm, at least, my general good intentions regarding Bitcoin, regarding Satoshi, regarding the Cypherpunks, regarding this forum or regarding the spread of Satoshi's word to people... This part was hard because Romanian board is mostly inactive, no matter how many efforts were done by me and a very few users which tried to keep it alive - NeuroticFish, 20kevin20 or IonCreanga. So I did not know if Cøbra's (normal) request can be accomplished.

But I kept my hope. In the end, this was all I could do. I simply hoped.

And, after a few days, the miracle happened! The new proposed translation was accepted! And this is unbelievable, as I still can't believe what I see with my own eyes. I started this journey on November 1st, 2020, when I created this topic, so 5 months and a half passed since then. I started this journey blindly, as I knew it will be a huge work, if I want it to be flawless; I was aware of some of the risks that could jeopardize the final result -- meaning all the work could be in vain; and during this journey I found out about even more difficulties which could also lead to have a work in vain. So all I can say now is that for me everything seems like a miracle! And that I am so happy to see this positive outcome, as I am so happy I could do something very important in respect for Satoshi, for his work and also for bitcoiners!





But none of these could be realized without so many of you. Somehow -- like in another miracle -- so many worked as a team. And I want to thank you all.

I want to thank to those which in November 2020 encouraged me to create a new translation from scratch - nullius was the first; NeuroticFish was the second.

I want to thank to all users which offered valuable information about how to work with GitHub pull requests: notblox1, nullius, bitmover, NeuroticFish and NotATether. And, of course, I also thank to theymos which gave me precious details about all this process and about what to expect while doing it.

I want to thank to NeuroticFish for being there with me in all this journey and for helping me so much. Without him none of these could be possible.

And I also thank to all of you which supported the new translation, which offered feedback about the quality of the new translation or which wrote positive feedback about me, about my good intentions, about my passion for Bitcoin and about my dedication when it is about working on a specific matter. Your inputs from GitHub and from this topic led to having this translation approved! So I want to thank to IonCreanga, 20kevin20, LoyceV, 1miau, fillippone and icopress. Again, without you, none of this could happen!

Last, but not least, I also want to thank to all other users which supported me in various ways, from sending encouraging PMs to offering me their ideas and congratulations for what I did. I will not mention all your names here, but you know which ones you are. And I thank you all. Your words helped me keep my hope alive and gave me even more determination for doing this!





Of course, I could not end this post without thanking as well to Cøbra and to Komodorpudel for accepting the new proposed translation. I know that my name meant nothing for you before as same happened with NeuroticFish's name. Maybe if you were active on this forum these names would tell you a few things but you are not active here so I understand perfectly how you felt when a total stranger came and said: "Hey, look! The actual translation of the white paper is very bad... You should change it with this new one!". Of course, these were not the exact words but this was the general idea.

I know you had to take a leap of faith here and, in the end, you took it. The feedbacks from forum members with great reputation must have been crucial for convincing you, but I am sure that, as you can not read the document, you felt you had to take a risk. And indeed it was a risk... But the result is now that a very good translation is present on bitcoin.org and this document is a way for respecting Satoshi. This document will help, maybe, hundreds or thousands of Romanian bitcoiners, curious to understand Bitcoin or to learn from this historical paper.

You took the right decision and I am happy about that and I thank you very much.

One small kind request though: on the website (https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper) the Romanian translation still appears in the list with its previous author:



Please be so kind and change the author as well. Thank you in advance.





Thank you all, one more time. As you see, we worked as a team during all these months. Each had a special role in this project. And each had an important contribution for this final result.

Long live Bitcoin!

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April 11, 2021, 08:44:12 AM
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Sometimes, a perfectionist may be seen as pushy by others.

Yep, it was quite an adventure... Thank you for the bigger part of work (it was quite an amount of it and I can only guess the pressure to make it right) and thank you for the patience with me  Wink, I'd say that the result worth it!

And I also thank to all of you which supported the new translation, which offered feedback about the quality of the new translation or which wrote positive feedback about me, about my good intentions, about my passion for Bitcoin and about my dedication when it is about working on a specific matter. Your inputs from GitHub and from this topic led to having this translation approved! So I want to thank to IonCreanga, 20kevin20, LoyceV, 1miau and fillippone. Again, without you, none of this could happen!

I will also add icopress to the list, since he has also supported the translation, he posted on GitHub to the issue I've created for this.

Thank you all! It was a group effort and Gazeta's fears have somewhat also scared me. Good that everything has ended so well and rather quick too after it went public (thanks Komodorpudel for bringing it to Cøbra's attention and big thank you to Cøbra for the nice, quick and professional handling)!

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Yep, it was quite an adventure [...]I'd say that the result worth it!

Everything was worth it! Smiley Absolutely everything! And I am more than happy that we reached this achievement!

I will also add icopress to the list, since he has also supported the translation, he posted on GitHub to the issue I've created for this.

Thank you for the heads-up, NeuroticFish! And I am sorry for my small mistake, icopress! I just updated my previous post. I simply did not see his comment there... I was looking at the other link, where all the others commented (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/pull/3630#issuecomment-812834229). However, I thank him too inside me and I also included him in the list of all which supported me but I did not mention them all as they were too many... We exchanged some PMs regarding this initiative and I highly appreciated his support. Thank you icopress. And please forgive me.

Gazeta's fears have somewhat also scared me. Good that everything has ended so well and rather quick too after it went public

Hehe, sorry for being paranoid some times Smiley I guess when I am in situations of facing a supreme achievement or happiness I think of the worst many times... I don;t know why. Maybe because when you expect the worst, then if it happens, you already got used with the idea of it happening...? And also, in the opposite case, the happiness feels even greater...? In any case, this time the fears did not materialize and we can all celebrate Smiley

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April 14, 2021, 03:09:18 PM
Last edit: April 14, 2021, 07:30:26 PM by NeuroticFish
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Please be so kind and change the author as well. Thank you in advance.

I've made today a new pull request (this time for the web page) where I've put, as you asked, your name as translator and the link to your Bitcointalk profile.
And (drums..) the pull request was already merged (some minutes ago) by Cøbra to master repository.
So I expect that rather soon this will also be visible on the website.


Edit: It's all good now. And I guess that this thread can be locked. There's nothing shameful any longer in the Romanian translation for the Bitcoin white paper. Au contraire!  Wink

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(drums..) the pull request was already merged (some minutes ago) by Cøbra to master repository [...] It's all good now.

Thank you once more time, NeuroticFish, for having helping out also with this final step! You are a true asset!


Everything is solved now for the Romanian translation of the white paper. We can say Flawless Victory! Smiley (I just remembered this quote from Moral Kombat games Smiley )

There's nothing shameful any longer in the Romanian translation for the Bitcoin white paper. Au contraire!  Wink

Indeed! Smiley And, as a consequence, I also updated the title of the topic. The shame is gone!

I guess that this thread can be locked.

Yup, I'll close it soon.

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