The shameful Romanian translation of Bitcoin white paper from Bitcoin.org-FIXED!

[GazetaBitcoin]

I recently found out the unthinkable.

When you access this link: https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper, you will end up on a page where you can find the translation of the Bitcoin white paper in various languages. I was curious about the Romanian translation (which can be found here: https://bitcoin.org/files/bitcoin-paper/bitcoin_ro.pdf), as I didn't know until recently that it was created. But since I entered on that page I was shocked from the beginning after seeing the Romanian translator's name.

That name - IkeGDB - did not sound well for being the translator; I hoped it was a mistake or someone else. Unfortunately, it wasn't someone else but the one I thought: an illiterate, an underclassman. A clown. A clown managed to ridicule the Romanian translation of Satoshi's wall paper, which is a sort of a Bible in crypto space.


Allow me to explain.

That guy - IkeGDB - is the owner of goanadupabitcoin.ro, a pathetic Romanian crypto news website. The site is pathetic as Ike hired a girl in the past, which was parallel with Bitcoin and with her own language. She was supposed to write articles but she was illiterate, even more illiterate than hacker or andulolika, which are sort of monuments for being unable to write correctly "a-ha". Excepting this aspect, that girl had zero knowledge about Bitcoin technology. OK, she knew some English, thus being able to translate in Romanian articles posted by international websites in order to pretend she created them (/s) but she barely knew Romanian. And the technology was a big question mark for her. Apparently, she doesn't work at goanadupabitcoin.ro for a while, but that's irrelevant. These two guys - Ike and the girl (I won't say their true names here, as the topic isn't about doxing (although their names can be found on the Internet); instead, I'll use their true nyms) created 2 accounts on BitcoinTalk: Nea Sandu (used by Ike) and goanadupabitcoin (used by the editorialist shit poster girl.

By the time when they started their pathetic translations-based crypto news website, they decided to post their articles in as much media as possible, in order to get to be known. As a consequence, they started to spam on various Facebook Romanian crypto groups, on Twitter, Telegram, YouTube, Google+, [...] and also BitcoinTalk, hoping that the great indexing of the forum would help them with SEO as well.

An example of that girl's zero clue about Bitcoin can be seen in an article from 2015 which, unfortunately, seems to be deleted from their website. Among other ridiculous things, she wrote there that Satoshi mined 900M BTC. Being very proud of her "work", she shilled quickly that article on the forum:

Ce părere aveți despre faptul că Satoshi nu și-a dezvăluit identitatea?
http://goanadupabitcoin.ro/oameni-de-succes/satoshi-nakamoto.html

Meaning "what's your opinion about the fact that Satoshi never revealed his identity?" - plus the link to the article containing the monumental mistake. Another Romanian member started to laugh at her:

Apreciez munca pe care o depui traducand articole si incercand sa-i informezi astfel pe cei interesati de domeniu.

Dar daca tot ai intrat in lumea asta iti recomand sa te pui putin la punct si cu notiunile de baza legate de bitcoin, cel putin cu abecedarul. Astfel ar fi trebuit sa stii ca vor fi max.21 miloane BTC din care s-au minat pana acum putin peste 14 milioane....deci cei "900 milioane ai lui Satoshi" reprezinta o eroare (ineptie) ce-ti strica toata munca si ofera prilej de caterinca in comunitate

"I appreciate the work you're doing, translating articles and trying to inform people interested about crypto.

But if you entered this world I suggest you to learn the basics of Bitcoin, at least the basics of the basics. You should have known there will be only 21M BTC, from which 14M are already mined... so the "900M owned by Satoshi represent a mistake (ineptitude) which ruins your work and gets you trolled by the community"

Her attempt to cover the catastrophic article was even more stupid:

Nu stiu daca sa ma bucur ca se citesc articolele cu atentie sau sa ma oftic ca mi-a scapat chestia asta. Mai jos e explicat mai clar [...]
Sa zicem ca va testam atentia?

"I don't know if I should be happy for knowing we have readers for our articles or to feel ashamed for slipping this mistake. Down below is clearly explained [blabla]
Let's say I was testing your attention?"

Yeah, right. Testing the attention of the readers.

The girl didn't stop there. Each of her articles was a bunch of shit posts, translated by someone which had no understanding for the technology, reason for which all the articles looked ridiculous. This is another example: she was trying to talk about the DAO, but she wrote that Ethereum was hacked:

Situație FOARTE nasoală pentru ethereum. Din păcate rețeaua a fost spartă. Fiți foarte atenți dacă aveți ether și ajutați rețeaua cu atacuri spam. Deocamdată nu se știe ce se întâmplă, dar se lucrează intens la problemă. Atacul durează de câteva ore bune.

http://goanadupabitcoin.ro/securitate/pretul-ether-cazut-ethereum-s-ar-putea-sa-fi-fost-spart.html

Meaning "Ethereum is in a very BAD situation. Unfortunately, the network was hacked. Be very careful if you own ether and help the network with spam attacks. For the moment nobody knows what's happening, but the problem is addressed. The attack lasts for a few hours already".

Fortunately, NeuroticFish and others were there to correct this other idiocy:

De fapt DAO a fost spart.

Meaning "DAO was hacked actually".

Off .. n-a fost sparta nici o retea Ethereum vulnerabilitatea de tip "recursive calling vulnerability" era in contractele DAO

Meaning "No Ethereum network was hacked. The vulnerability [...] was in the DAO.

Sunt curios cum se poate "sparge" Ethereum.

"I'm curious how Ethereum can be "hacked" "

Here, she announced a new section on the website, related to technical analysis. A member asked her what's her technical background:

Pot sa intreb ce pregatire aveti in analiza tehnica?

Actually, that was no ordinary member. That was the owner of CoinFlux exchange (currently arrested in US). Frankly she admitted she is incompetent:

Personal, nu am nici o pregătire în analiză tehnică.

Meaning "I have no knowledge in technical analysis". All good.

Day by day, more and more people could see the incompetence of this clown.

Unfortunately, I cant find a post at the moment, post which was the proof for Nea Sandu being the owner of GoanaDupaBitcoin. It was a post in the Romanian board where a user stated something like "Sandu, I know you since you started with GoanaDupaBitcoin [...]". However, his connection with GoanaDupaBitcoin is clear for anyone, be it Romanian or foreigner (just looking at his posts).


So this guy - Ike aka Nea Sandu - and the illiterate girl using goanadupabitcoin account started spamming the forum, shilling their website more and more. Their topics history remembers me very well the way that CoinIdol News used to post:

Fortunately, CoinIdol News was banned. Nea Sandu and goanadupabitcoin weren't banned. They didn't even have their posts deleted, as they are acquaintances of Cyrus. Maybe they are even friends, I don't know. But from various posts made by goanadupabitcoin such relation of being acquaintances is suggested. Examples:

Discutam zilele trecute cu Ike și cu Cyrus, avem multe chestii în plan și vrem să fim la fel de community-aware ca bitcoin-ul.

"I was talking recently with Ike and with Cyrus, we are planning something big and we'd like to be known as much as Bitcoin is."

Here, the discussion was about a meet-up she couldn't attend, but she asked Cyrus to take pictures and detail her what was discussed at the meet-up:

Mi-ar fi plăcut mult să vă văd. L-am rugat pe Cyrus să vă facă poze și să ne povestească una alta despre discuțiile voastre ca să vă dăm la gazetă.

Indeed, the above examples are not hard proof that GDB and Cyrus are friends, but they are enough proof for being at least acquaintances. I for one wouldn't dare to disturb the Global Administrator of the forum with such requests unless I'd be somehow close to him. It's about decency after all, you can't ask a stranger to update you with what he talked about, to send you pictures. Besides, in the first example she is talking about big plans with Ike (Nea Sandu) and Cyrus. I think it's an obvious relation. It's obvious that it exists.


These two users got an incredible power from their relation with Cyrus and this may (or may not) be also an explanation for the fact that they managed to post a ridiculous translation on bitcoin.org and having it still kept there.

In April this year I reported all the shillings made by Nea Sandu and goanadupabitcoin. All of them were left unhandled.

User: goanadupabitcoin
Shilling their website in 77 out 202 posts (38%), all reported.

User: Nea Sandu
Owner of goanadupabitcoin's site (user goanadupabitcoin being his alt account); shilling the same website in 24 posts out of 462 total posts (5%), all reported.

I even started a topic asking why these reports are not handled.

After a while I realized the obvious: these users had too much power for any mod to touch the reported posts. First of all, the posts were made in the Romanian board, which should be moderated by Cyrus, so he is the first one which decided to not handle the reports. Second of all, I'm guessing that if any mod would have seen the unhandled reports from the Romanian board, he could be scared to "not mess with Cyrus" and, as a consequence, no mod handled the reports as well. So, for having this relation with Cyrus, their shillings were never deleted, although the posts look exactly like the ones made by CoinIdol News.

As it can be seen from the mentioned topic, Cyrus never had the guts to enter the conversation. After all, what could he say? Could he say "yes, these guys are my protégées and nobody touches their posts"? Of course he couldn't say that. Could he say instead that there is no nepotist relation here? Of course he couldn't as the truth is obvious. So he chose to not say anything. Oh, in case somebody doesn't know, Cyrus is also Romanian, this being another good basis for having a relation with the two Romanian clowns.


All the above information was necessary for understanding better who translated Satoshi's white paper: two illiterate, incompetent clowns, protected by Cyrus.

Getting back to the translated wall paper now: in July 2015, the girl from GDB performed a stupid translation of the white paper. Happy, she announced the ridiculous translation on the forum:

Salut!
Am revenit cu un articol care noua ni s-a părut foarte interesant. Trebuie să recunosc că a fost o plăcere să traduc lucrarea lui Satoshi. Întotdeauna mi-a plăcut coerența lui, care din câte am înțeles de la comunitatea de coderi se vede și în codul pe care el l-a scris.

În 2008, Satoshi punea bazele ideologice ale monedei bitcoin în lucrarea sa intitulată Bitcoin – a peer to peer electronic cash system, în care explica cum funcționează moneda, dădea detaliile despre codul sursă și punea puterea în mâinile utilizatorilor.

Satoshi a predat între timp ștafeta utilizatorilor și s-a retras, din câte se crede, în totalitate din conducerea (impropriu spus) destinului bitcoin.

Noi am tradus integral textul lui Satoshi, în întregime, așa cum apărea el în 2008, pentru a ne aduce aminte de principiile care stau la baza criptomonedei și pentru a ne aduce aminte care sunt lucrurile pe care trebuie să le protejăm.


http://goanadupabitcoin.ro/bitcoin-pentru-incepatori/pentru-prima-data-in-limba-romana-moneda-bitcoin-explicata-de-satoshi-nakamoto.html

"I am back with an article which looks very interesting for us. I have to admit it was a pleasure to translate Satoshi's writing. I always liked his coherence which, as far as I understood from other coders, is reflected in the code he wrote.

[...]

We fully translated Satoshi's text, as it appeared in 2008 [...]"

The above link is not functional anymore, the article being moved here: https://goanadupabitcoin.ro/de-stiut/pentru-prima-data-in-limba-romana-moneda-bitcoin-explicata-de-satoshi-nakamoto/.

For those which don't know Romanian, the translation may seem to be OK, but it isn't OK at all. It is a ridiculous translation, performed by someone which has zero understanding about Bitcoin technology, by someone which doesn't even know to correctly write in his / her own language; it is a masterpiece of illiteration. A magnum opus of incompetence.

Any Romanian, which knows his language grammar, can confirm that the translation is full of grammar mistakes, typos, spelling errors, looking like the author used the feet instead of brain for performing the translation. I won't go with more examples here as the topic is long enough. However, anyone not knowing Romanian can still see the lack of professionalism of the translator at least looking at one aspect: the alignment of the text, which is in part justified and in part centered. There is no excuse for that.

The following is a comparison of white paper's chapter 8 in its original form and in the translated form. You can easy notice that while in the original form the text's alignment is justified, in the translated form the first pharagraph's alignment is set to centered. Besides, the translation also doesn't respect the space placed in front of the first letter of the paragraph according to the original writing.

As long as this translation was placed on the pathetic GDB website there wouldn't be any problem. The translation is a shame for the Bitcoin Bible, indeed, but at least it was kept on an obscure Romanian website.

But now the problem got worse, as this ridiculous translation is present also on bitcoin.org website and anyone reading it will start to laugh seeing the zero quality of the text. The shame reflects at worst on the translator, but afterwards it reflects also on Bitcoin, Satoshi's original writing, Bitcoin.org and on all Romanians as a nation. And that's because any reader would think "who the hell is the imbecile who made this incompetent translation? Oh, look, a Romanian! And who is the idiot which accepted it and posted it here, on Bitcoin.org?! Who runs this site? Isn't anyone there to verify the quality of a translation? Who can approve such a shameful writing?" - and so on.

I know that that theymos announced in April 2020 that his and Cøbra's ways are splitting. And I know it is Cøbra's business with what appears on Bitcoin.org. However, it is inadmissible to have such a shameful translation on that website! It is unthinkable.

I don't know how Cøbra elected Ike (Nea Sandu) for this translation, but I believe there were more users hoping to have their translation accepted. Or maybe Ike was the only one who applied. I can't know. But maybe - and this is pure speculation - if there were more candidates trying to submit their translation, maybe Cyrus spoke to Cøbra for accepting Ike's translation. Seeing how much he protects him here on the forum it wouldn't be any surprise if such thing happened. Again, I'm not stating for sure that this happened, but still, there is a possibility.

What's certain is that on Bitcoin.org exists a shameful text for the author, for all Romanians, for the one who approved the translation and for the entire site itself!

Is there any possibility to contact anyone from that website to take down that ridiculous translation? Ideas?
   

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[GazetaBitcoin]

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[bitmover]

Hello GazetaBitcoin

I think that talking about who translated the whitepaper is irrelevant.  Nobody cares if he/she/they are shitposters here or not.

I think you should focus in grammar errors.
Just mark as striked every grammar error and paste it here. I think it is much more productive than looking at her reputation.

I will do the same for the Portuguese translation as well. I never looked at it.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I will also do that, bitmover, thank you for your suggestion. But it's going to be a post as long as the entire white paper itself...

And yes, there is also a problem with her reputation: if she and Nea Sandu are hand in hand with Cyrus, maybe he convinced Cøbra to accept their translation instead of others. This is a matter of ego here: to be able to say "hey, my name nym is written on Bitcoin.org website! That is my nym there, not other's!". You see now the relevance?

The problem is that nobody dares to speak about their relation with Cyrus as he is here theymos' right hand. Oh well, I'm not scared. And I dared to expose this relation once, in that topic where I reported all their shillings, and now for the second time. I, as a Romanian, am ashamed to admit this, but in Romania everything works based on relations, nepotisms, knowing someone in a great position, bribe and so on. This is how this country works and this is how most Romanians think and act in their daily lives. Cyrus allowed the clowns to make easy SEO for their website using the forum and he may also have helped them with having that illiterate translation on Bitcoin's main website. As I said, the latter may be a speculation, but seeing how much he protects them on the forum this is something expectable. He could use his influence of being theymos' right hand on Cøbra to accept that translation. Cøbra couldn't know what's written inside it and he could accept it only for being asked by Cyrus.

And even if that didn't happen, 2 things are certain:
- the two clowns are protected by the Global Administrator of the forum
- the translation made by the clowns is exposed to worldwide access and it is a shame for Bitcoin itself.

[notblox1]

You can try and report this translation to bitcoin.org website, and send them your report and complains.
I am sure they can double check and remove it if more people confirm your claims, and or you can correct mistakes or make fresh translation.
Some phrases are not easy to translate in all languages so I would take time with translation.

[GazetaBitcoin]

You can try and report this translation to bitcoin.org website, and send them your report and complains.
I am sure they can double check and remove it if more people confirm your claims, and or you can correct mistakes or make fresh translation.

I don't know how to do it. That's why I asked in OP:

Is there any possibility to contact anyone from that website to take down that ridiculous translation?

I did not see any option to contact the website...

Some phrases are not easy to translate in all languages so I would take time with translation.

It's not only about the translation per se. It's also about spelling. Simple Romanian words are written wrong. Its like id spel like zis, you get watta i say? The text looks like it was written by an underclassman.

[nullius]

Much though I dislike even the slightest hint of personal incompetence, I agree with bitmover about disentangling some of the issues here.  Indeed, I will go one step further:  With such an important matter as the translation of Satoshi’s whitepaper, my first concern is that the good should chase out the bad with something better.

but I believe there were more users hoping to have their translation accepted. Or maybe Ike was the only one who applied. I can't know.

If you yourself were to produce a Romanian translation, and obtain an endorsement of its accuracy and its stylistic merits from Romanian forum reviewers who have native-level literacy, that would be a purely constructive solution; and it would admit no argument in the eyes of Romanians, who could compare the translations side by side.

The shame reflects at worst on the translator, but afterwards it reflects also on Bitcoin, Satoshi's original writing, Bitcoin.org and on all Romanians as a nation. And that's because any reader would think "who the hell is the imbecile who made this incompetent translation? Oh, look, a Romanian!

And then, you could take the high road of letting other Romanians argue for the objectively superior translation to be used on bitcoin.org, leaving no room for anybody to accuse you of this:

This is a matter of ego here: to be able to say "hey, my name nym is written on Bitcoin.org website! That is my nym there, not other's!". You see now the relevance?

I don’t mean to thrust on you a new project, much less suggest when you could do it.  From experience in working with you on translations, I know how much time and effort you devote to such projects; and although the whitepaper is not long, translation of the technical details presents a formidable task.  It would probably take you some time.

I do know that it would be for you a labour of love, and an achievement that you would value independently of any forum political fights.

What say you?

Is there any possibility to contact anyone from that website to take down that ridiculous translation?

I did not see any option to contact the website...

It’s open-source.  File an issue.  Ask other Romanians for review, too.
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org

And if you were to create a translation, you could create a PR (Pull Request).

I will do the same for the Portuguese translation as well. I never looked at it.

Good idea.  Translation is an art at which few can attain any competence whatsoever.  If something is important to you, it is wise to check and make sure that the translation is of acceptable quality!

* nullius mutters something about some of the horrifically stilted, rambling, almost unreadable translations of Nietzsche’s legendarily poetic German.  (Some of the translations are English literature in themselves—Mencken or Ludovici, I think.)

[NeuroticFish]

Although I see a huge work here to ensemble all the pieces together for this post, I agree with @bitmover: you should focus on the translation itself, not the person.
Shame on me, I didn't check the Romanian translation, but from the images attached it's indeed bad, I can confirm that.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Much though I dislike even the slightest hint of personal incompetence, I agree with bitmover about disentangling some of the issues here.  Indeed, I will go one step further:  With such an important matter as the translation of Satoshi’s whitepaper, my first concern is that the good should chase out the bad with something better.

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If you yourself were to produce a Romanian translation, and obtain an endorsement of its accuracy and its stylistic merits from Romanian forum reviewers who have native-level literacy, that would be a purely constructive solution; and it would admit no argument in the eyes of Romanians, who could compare the translations side by side.

I don’t mean to thrust on you a new project, much less suggest when you could do it.  From experience in working with you on translations, I know how much time and effort you devote to such projects; and although the whitepaper is not long, translation of the technical details presents a formidable task.  It would probably take you some time.

I do know that it would be for you a labour of love, and an achievement that you would value independently of any forum political fights.

What say you?

Me says yes! Thank you for the suggestion, nullius and also bitmover. I'll start working first on presenting a corrected version of the actual translation and I'll post it here afterwards, together with the existing one, in order for everybody to see the tons of errors. Afterwards I'll try also to create a personal translation of the text.

And if you were to create a translation, you could create a PR (Pull Request).

I was not aware of this, thanks for pointing it out.

Although I see a huge work here to ensemble all the pieces together for this post, I agree with @bitmover: you should focus on the translation itself, not the person.
Shame on me, I didn't check the Romanian translation, but from the images attached it's indeed bad, I can confirm that.

Thanks for confirming what I stated in OP, NeuroticFish. It was needed indeed that at least one reputable Romanian member to confirm the catastrophic errors mentioned in OP. Not just the ones from the translations, but also all the others ones (as the one regarding the ridiculous article about Ethereum network being "hacked", where you intervened at that time for stating what actually happened, which was not by far what GDB stated in the article). I gave all those examples for every reader to understand clear that this translator didn't just make a mistake in translating the white paper but she has a long history of monumental examples of stupidity, proving she does not understand at all what she is writing about and also that she is a pathetic illiterate.

[GazetaBitcoin]

This is a small preview, containing only the first page of the white paper. I counted 20 mistakes, including one for author's very own name. When someone doesn't care even to write his name correctly, what can you ask from him?!

The below image contains 3 pictures: (1) on the left picture you can see how I corrected the first page of the translated white paper; (2) the picture from the center contains the current state of the first page of the Romanian translation; (3) on the picture from the left you can see the first page of the original white paper. I added the lattest for showing also the alignment error, the missing page number, the missing spaces between paragraphs, the missing double space between sentences and so on.

I'll continue with correcting the actual translation until I'll finish it then come back with other similar screenshots. The image below is not truncated with height=400 for better visibility of minor details and of the text written by me with smaller font.

[Little Mouse]

Same with the Bengali translation. Recently I have read the Bengali version a few pages and found the translation is a total shit. The way sentences were presented was looking like automated translation or translation from people who have very little idea about bitcoin.
I have planned to translate the white paper and submit it again. I think you should do the same, forget everything else.

[nullius]

I don’t mean to thrust on you a new project, much less suggest when you could do it.  From experience in working with you on translations, I know how much time and effort you devote to such projects; and although the whitepaper is not long, translation of the technical details presents a formidable task.  It would probably take you some time.

I do know that it would be for you a labour of love, and an achievement that you would value independently of any forum political fights.

What say you?

Me says yes!

Excellent!

If the IkeGDB translation is so bad...

Shame on me, I didn't check the Romanian translation, but from the images attached it's indeed bad, I can confirm that.

...I do agree with this:

I have planned to translate the white paper and submit it again. I think you should do the same, forget everything else.

An independent translation would probably be less effort than trying to fix somebody else’s mess; and why should an incompetent translator retain byline credit for the result of painstaking line-by-line corrections?

Based on my prior experience of working with you on your volunteer translations of Bitcoin advocacy essays (plus my political manifesto!), I have confidence in your own work.


Note:  Whitepaper translations are probably accepted into the bitcoin-dot-org repository only in a specific file format, or a set of file formats.  I have my own opinions about how this should be done; but I am not the maintainer of that repository, and I have no idea how they handle it.


How to contribute on Github

Edit:  Discussion of this part is forked into a more appropriate venue.  Original post text follows.

It’s open-source.  File an issue.  Ask other Romanians for review, too.
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org

And if you were to create a translation, you could create a PR (Pull Request).

I should elaborate.  I don’t want to scare you off with a learning curve; and I would not suggest that you should take the time and effort of learning all of the below for only one contribution.  But since you care about open-source software, this is a generally useful skill.  Whether or not you write code, you may wish to contribute translations, documentation, and also, well-made bug reports that help developers.  Learning this once will open a whole new world to you!

• Github has detailed help pages.  Use them, especially this:  “Collaborating with issues and pull requests”.
• Open an issue concisely describing the problem with the Romanian translation, and noting that you will offer a better translation.  Avoid discussion of the personalities involved, unless it is necessary.  Well-run Github projects are meritocracies; competent maintainers try to avoid drama.  If someone else tries to raise drama, take the high road—unless it turns out that the maintainers are total idiots, in which case the project will probably fail anyway unless it has big corporate backers.
  
  I don’t want to sound negative.  It’s just that Github newbies oftentimes don’t realize that every comment on every issue gets spammed to a whole bunch of busy people, most of whom are interested only in project management.  They definitely appreciate comments that help with project management!  If you wonder why many Bitcoin Core developers have forum accounts that have been inactive for years, or are barely, rarely active, this probably explains why. :-(
• In the ensuing discussion, if you simply agree or disagree with a comment without substantive reply, feel free to use the little emoji buttons to express thumbs-up, thumbs-down, heart, “confused”, “party”, etc.  Again, Github issues are a place for practical project management, not a forum; usually, excessively verbose discussion should be avoided.  Of course, if you have a substantive remark that will help project maintainers, don’t be shy about expressing it!
• Issue and pull request comments use Markdown for formatting; Github uses CommonMark, with “GitHub Flavored Markdown” extensions.  There is a Github Guide for this.  At-mentions work (@username).  There are also some tricks for cross-references, e.g. #1234 would automagically link to issue or PR #1234 in the same repository, with a backlink; bitcoin/bitcoin#19953 would link to/backlink from the PR merging Schnorr/Taproot consensus rules into Bitcoin; and bitcoin/bitcoin@8bbed4b (the first seven hexadecimal digits of the commit hash) would reference the commit implementing Taproot validation.  (Please don’t spam that PR and commit with references from irrelevant issues!)
• Make a fork of the main repository, make a branch within your fork, and commit your work to the branch.  Read the pull request documentation to understand why.
• If you wish to request several distinct actions, make atomic commits to your branch.  For example, if you wish to delete the bad translation and add the good translation, make those actions into two separate git commits which can “upstreamed” together in one pull request, as I will briefly describe below.
• Learn “How to Write a Git Commit Message”.  Don’t overdo it; just follow the guidelines.  Using the customary style for commit messages shows professionalism, and it really does make things easier for the people who will read the commit log in the future.  “The Seven Rules” are not arbitrary, as you will understand if you ever accrue experience reading commit logs.
  
  Bitcoin Core’s commit logs are exemplary, albeit probably incomprehensible to non-coders.  On the flipside, I can “smell” a bad project by the odour of sloppy commit logs.
• If you want to secure your commits, add a PGP key to your Github profile before you commit anything, and sign your commits.  This is an absolute requirement for security-critical code; n.b. that all of Bitcoin Core’s commits show “Verified” status.  It arguably may be less important for a whitepaper translation; but if you really want to do things right, invest some time to learn a process that will be fast and easy thereafter.  N.b. that you cannot go back and retroactively secure commits that were made without digital signatures.
  
  (If I were to manage a public repository of any kind, all substantive commits would require signatures as a matter of policy.  Most repositories do not have such a policy.)
• File a pull request (PR).  This is the action that asks the project maintainers to merge your branch’s commits into the project’s “master” branch.  In your pull request, reference the issue that you raised with specific language that Github recognizes automagically.  For example, if you raised Issue #1234, then say your pull request’s text, Closes #1234. or Fixes #1234.  This way, the issue is automagically hyperlinked bidirectionally; and if your PR is accepted, the Github system will close your issue with an appropriate note and cross-reference.

If you have any questions that cannot be easily answered by the Github docs, please feel free to ask here, or ping me off-forum if that would be more appropriate.

Edit:  Discussion of this part is forked into a more appropriate venue.  Original post text is above.

[bitmover]

-snip-

Github is not very friendly for newbie, so take your time GazetaBitcoin. Follow nullius advices.

Recently we, the Portuguese community, created a new Pull Request for BIP39 Portuguese Wordlist and it is waiting a few weeks/month already.

My suggestion is that you take your time and send the pull request only when it is absolutely ready. Do not make many commits, work in your computer and submit your work when it is done and revised.

I believe this is the romanian translation which you need to fork and make the pull request
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/blob/master/_translations/ro.yml

[NeuroticFish]

I believe this is the romanian translation which you need to fork and make the pull request
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/blob/master/_translations/ro.yml

Nope, that's for the translation of the actual website of Bitcoin.org and that translation is not bad (not perfect, I've found one mistake already, but not bad overall).
The link you wanted to post (for the whitepaper) is https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/blob/master/files/bitcoin-paper/bitcoin_ro.pdf

[GazetaBitcoin]

Same with the Bengali translation. Recently I have read the Bengali version a few pages and found the translation is a total shit. The way sentences were presented was looking like automated translation or translation from people who have very little idea about bitcoin.
I have planned to translate the white paper and submit it again. I think you should do the same, forget everything else.

Great finding, Little Mouse! Good luck with this translation. I'll do the same.

Based on my prior experience of working with you on your volunteer translations of Bitcoin advocacy essays (plus my political manifesto!), I have confidence in your own work.

Thank you for the kind words, nullius! Indeed, I put lots of efforts for each translation I make, this is why it takes me way more hours compared to other translator, but I'm a very methodical and meticulous person and I always want to ensure that the final product is in an exceptional shape from any point of view, including that I make sure the translations are also idiomatic and they contain all Romanian diacritics. And this takes time. Not many translators spend their time to write also with diacritics (ă, â, Î, î, Ș, ș, Ț, ț) and they use simple characters instead (a, i, S, s, T, t). Besides, an idiomatic translation requires to really put your brain at work in order to come up with expressions from the respective language. Oh well, GDB's translation is not idiomatic at all.

And if you were to create a translation, you could create a PR (Pull Request).

I should elaborate [...]

Thank you for all the thorough guidelines, nullius. I also read your forked topic. I wish I could merit you, but the forum doesn't allow me as I already sent you 50 merits in the last 30 days... I'll start with the translation first and when the time will come I'll reach to you in case I won't understand exactly every detail.

An independent translation would probably be less effort than trying to fix somebody else’s mess; and why should an incompetent translator retain byline credit for the result of painstaking line-by-line corrections?

Yes, I came to this conclusion as well, also taking into consideration that you and other members suggested the same. I'll present below a corrected version of actual translation which contains the Abstract, Introduction and Transactions parts, as I managed to correct these meanwhile. However, what you'll see below represents just a correction for the actual translation and not the way I would translate these parts. Basically I corrected the text written incorrectly, the alignment issues, typos and the words which made no sense. But I do not agree at all with this translation, be it corrected by me or by someone else. And that's because (1) each translator uses his own style for translating a text (the words can be translated with various other words, depending on translator's consideration for which "sound" better) and also because (2) this translation is not idiomatic. It looks like it was made because it has to be made. It does not express Satoshi's thoughts; the reader does not feel the same as he would feel when reading Satoshi's document. But again: actual translation wasn't made by someone knowing what s/he's doing: it was made by someone which is an illiterate and which doesn't understand anything from computers field, at general, nor from Bitcoin, in particular.

Github is not very friendly for newbie, so take your time GazetaBitcoin. Follow nullius advices.

Yes, I'll proceed as advised, bitmover. Thank you for the suggestion!

The link you wanted to post (for the whitepaper) is https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/blob/master/files/bitcoin-paper/bitcoin_ro.pdf

Thank you for correcting the link, NeuroticFish! But first things first I'll let you all know when I'll finish the translation made from scratch. Meanwhile, I kindly ask you to confirm / deny if (1) the corrected text below is err.... correct ; (2) the text from the middle of the pictures sounds absurd in Romanian (in part) and looks like it was written by andulolika or even worst someone who used his / her feet instead of brain. I know you already confirmed for the first selection I presented above, but I also kindly ask you to confirm for this selection as well. Prior getting to the decision to not finish correcting the entire text I correct a part of it and I'd like everybody to know that what I'm stating is true.


Ok, here we go. So I continued to correct the actual translation for a bit and I made again some screenshots, presenting the corrected text (at the left), the actual text (in the middle) and Satoshi's text (at the right). I also added Satoshi's document in order to show that the actual translation, except that it is shameful, it doesn't even respect the formatting of the text used by Satoshi (including, but not limited to: spaces between rows; the "Abstract" section indent; the missing page numbers; the incorrect alignment of the text (centered vs. justified) etc.). I didn't count anymore how many mistakes I found so far, but they are hundreds. The pictures are not truncated with height=400, for better visibility over the text.

If anyone still doubts or has questions, please let me know.

https://i.ibb.co/hRw8K66/oExZsZW.png

I will let you all know once I finish a new translation for this very precious document which, sadly, was humiliated by Nea Sandu and goanadupabitcoin.

[Harlot]

The best solution here is to report this issue on their Github page as I think Bitcoin.org wouldn't want a badly translated Bitcoin whitepaper on their website for the Romanian users. They posted this link at the bottom of all the translations for people who have issues and questions and I think you can use it to report this translation.

PS

@OP if you don't want their names to be seen by others you might want to blur out some things in your "small preview" post.

[GazetaBitcoin]

@OP if you don't want their names to be seen by others you might want to blur out some things in your "small preview" post.

To be honest, I do not care. The white paper is a public document, accesible by anyone worldwide. That name may (or may not) be true. From my side, I used (wrote) only their forum nyms. That girl I was talking about also has a name but I didn't say it anywhere. I just stated that she uses the account goanadupabitcoin.

Regarding goanadupabitcoin.ro's website owner, I stated that his nym is Nea Sandu (on the forum) or Ike. As you can see, the translation was posted by IkeGDB, which is another nym he uses. Regarding the name stated un the translated document, that is not my concern anymore - at least forum-wise. I know in reality if that is (or is not) the real name of Nea Sandu aka Ike but I did not state anything here about that as this is not the focus of the topic. It's his responsibility for writing that name there, not mine. OP is not doxing anyone. Just exposing two clowns and their masquerade.

[NeuroticFish]

Meanwhile, I kindly ask you to confirm / deny if (1) the corrected text below is err.... correct ; (2) the text from the middle of the pictures sounds absurd in Romanian (in part) and looks like it was written by [snip] someone who used his / her feet instead of brain. I know you already confirmed for the first selection I presented above, but I also kindly ask you to confirm for this selection as well. Prior getting to the decision to not finish correcting the entire text I correct a part of it and I'd like everybody to know that what I'm stating is true.

Sorry, I've missed yesterday this part.
Yes, the translation is correct (1). And yes (as I already written), the first so-called translation is really bad (2).

However I advise you don't follow this person's "translation" and make your own from scratch. If you do this I believe that you'll have the chance to get even better wordings since you won't have to follow his structure. For now I feel like you still kept a bit more than you should have done from the bad text    (for example you fixed at least twice "cel platit" with "beneficiarul", but you've missed at least one; this most probably would have not happened if you would have not been trying to fix)

So ... leave the crappy one. Just do your own. I am sure it will be much better if you even stop thinking about the previous garbage.

[Harlot]

@OP if you don't want their names to be seen by others you might want to blur out some things in your "small preview" post.

To be honest, I do not care. The white paper is a public document, accesible by anyone worldwide. That name may (or may not) be true. From my side, I used (wrote) only their forum nyms. That girl I was talking about also has a name but I didn't say it anywhere. I just stated that she uses the account goanadupabitcoin.

Regarding goanadupabitcoin.ro's website owner, I stated that his nym is Nea Sandu (on the forum) or Ike. As you can see, the translation was posted by IkeGDB, which is another nym he uses. Regarding the name stated un the translated document, that is not my concern anymore - at least forum-wise. I know in reality if that is (or is not) the real name of Nea Sandu aka Ike but I did not state anything here about that as this is not the focus of the topic. It's his responsibility for writing that name there, not mine. OP is not doxing anyone. Just exposing two clowns and their masquerade.

Yeah I just thought you have missed this out. Well knowing his real identity isn't important here what's important is for all of the accounts related to him be identified so that people can avoid using him in any kind of translation service as he provides a terrible job at it. You did a great job on connecting all of them considering that he is found in different areas.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Yes, the translation is correct (1). And yes (as I already written), the first so-called translation is really bad (2).

Thank you for confirming my allegations, NeuroticFish!

However I advise you don't follow this person's "translation" and make your own from scratch. If you do this I believe that you'll have the chance to get even better wordings since you won't have to follow his structure. For now I feel like you still kept a bit more than you should have done from the bad text    (for example you fixed at least twice "cel platit" with "beneficiarul", but you've missed at least one; this most probably would have not happened if you would have not been trying to fix)

So ... leave the crappy one. Just do your own. I am sure it will be much better if you even stop thinking about the previous garbage.

Hehe, thank you for the confidence. Yes, I'll do a new translation from scratch, as I said before:

Thank you for correcting the link, NeuroticFish! But first things first I'll let you all know when I'll finish the translation made from scratch.

[...]

I will let you all know once I finish a new translation for this very precious document which, sadly, was humiliated by Nea Sandu and goanadupabitcoin.

what's important is for all of the accounts related to him be identified so that people can avoid using him in any kind of translation service as he provides a terrible job at it. You did a great job on connecting all of them considering that he is found in different areas.

Thank you, Harlot! Yes, those clowns should be avoided by all means. What's sad though is that their tons of shillings are still on the forum, filling the space with their shit posts. But I guess this is the result of being acquaintance of Cyrus. You can spam the forum all the way! It's also sad that Cyrus himself didn't intervene in the discussion, as he didn't intervene in the topic linked by me in OP where I stated that I publicly asked why my reports for their shillings are unhandled. I'd really like to see what he would have to say on this matter, but I doubt he'll ever answer.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I am coming back on this thread to announce that I never forgot about my earlier promise. I worked a lot for the new translation, which I made from scratch. It took a long while because I wanted it to be flawless or as close as possible to perfection. This takes times. A lot.

I also want to thank to NeuroticFish for his tremendous help in realizing the new document. His input was crucial for having a very good new translation and he also helped with adapting the diagrams in Romanian and with proof reading.

As we are speaking, the translation is done. It just needs one more final and thorough check before going to the next step: the attempt to change the actual one with the new one. And I am afraid that this operation may be even more difficult than all the efforts invested so far. I hope I'm wrong about this though... We'll see how things work.

However, the most important part is that the longest work is finished. But maybe the hardest part is ahead. I'll keep you all posted about how things develop.

I also take this occasion to thank to all which encouraged me to realize the new translation. Your words were really a great incentive for me to do this!

[NeuroticFish]

But maybe the hardest part is ahead.

If you are referring to Git, I think that with a little patience we'll overcome that too.

I am no stranger from Git, but I don't actually have experience either, since I've used it only for project I worked on alone. So the only thing to read/understand is how to properly use pull requests. And I am sure that if we get there and we are in trouble, we'll get our answers here.

So, as I said, just a little more patience and we'll overcome all the obstacles.

[NotATether]

But maybe the hardest part is ahead.

If you are referring to Git, I think that with a little patience we'll overcome that too.

I am no stranger from Git, but I don't actually have experience either, since I've used it only for project I worked on alone. So the only thing to read/understand is how to properly use pull requests. And I am sure that if we get there and we are in trouble, we'll get our answers here.

So, as I said, just a little more patience and we'll overcome all the obstacles.

As someone who makes pull requests this isn't hard at all.

You literally just make a new branch from "master" or "main", go to the Pull Requests section of the repo you're trying to merge and make a new request, select your branch & fork (you may have to make forks visible), and follow Bitcoin developer's guidelines for making a pull request name and description, and developers handle the rest for you.

PS I don't think bitcoin whitepaper is a bible

[GazetaBitcoin]

If you are referring to Git, I think that with a little patience we'll overcome that too.

Uhm... not patience is what I fear the most, but I hope I'm just paranoic now... It's something else I fear, but as a caution I won't mention this public until everything is solved... There is something that may go wrong during this pull request procedure, for not ordinary reasons to say so... but let's hope it's just in my head. Disclosing this fear in public may actually trigger what I fear so I'll keep it inside me until we finish everything...

You literally just make a new branch from "master" or "main", go to the Pull Requests section of the repo you're trying to merge and make a new request, select your branch & fork (you may have to make forks visible), and follow Bitcoin developer's guidelines for making a pull request name and description, and developers handle the rest for you.

Thank you for the guideline, NotATether. Let's hope things will be that simple...

I don't think bitcoin whitepaper is a bible

Actually, it is. And not just "a bible", but "The Bible". Bitcoin's Bible!

[Stalker22]

I don't think bitcoin whitepaper is a bible

Actually, it is. And not just "a bible", but "The Bible". Bitcoin's Bible!

I think Bitcoin whitepaper is a bible for cryptocurrencies and is the most influential document about the blockchain technology ever written. It is the start of the Bitcoin community. Anyone who is seriously looking to understand Bitcoin history and how it is evolving should download and read it.
That is why I agree that it is extremely important that every translation is accurate, relevant and as faithful as possible to the original.

[GazetaBitcoin]

As long as people don't assume everything on Bitcoin whitepaper is practical or relevant today. For example, the whitepaper doesn't predict ASIC which disrupt one-cpu-one-vote idea.

The white paper is part of Bitcoin's history... Who has no past has no future...  We must preserve the historical facts, documents, relics, especially something like the white paper. Otherwise why would there exist history...? Why study it in school? Why care about the past...? Why would historians exist anymore?

Our entire world has a history, many study it and learn it... Bitcoin has also its very own history and the white paper is one of the most important part of this beautiful history. Everything started from this document... Changes occur in time, of course, but this doesn't mean that we should not preserve historical facts.

In the end, this is also a sign of respect for Satoshi's work which - in time - changed the world. Similar to many historical books, which are translated in so many languages, white paper deserves also the same attention and respect. Bitcoin is taught in some schools nowadays... Most likely, the white paper is also a part of what teachers present to students.

[NeuroticFish]

All right. I've made a new issue. I've followed these steps, made my branch and made the pull request.
I hope that I've done everything right.

If anyone can check, it would be helpful. @NotATether ? 
If anyone can add some words to the issue, I don't know, it could also be helpful.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Great job, NeuroticFish! Thank you so much for helping me with this! Your involvement on this matter is... priceless. Let's hope for the best now.

@All other members with experience: I also kindly ask you to let us know if what we did so far is the correct path for fixing the problem of the actual translation. In the GitHub link provided by NeuroticFish you can also find the new translation. Feel free to compare it with the existing one (at least from aestethic point of view) and also take a look at the new translation compared with the original white paper. If you reach the conclusion that the new one dramatically improves the existing one, you are also welcomed to post a comment on GitHub.

Thank you all and let's hope that we will be able to change the actual translation, as a sign of respect for Satoshi, for his work and for his legacy.

[friends1980]

Genius idea, Gazeta, respect for your findings + efforts.

It inspired me to take a look into the Dutch WP, which is respectable but not perfect. Clearly written by a Dutch guy from the Netherlands, which means it's not Standard Dutch - otherwise, I wouldn't be able to recognize his roots .

I'm used to participating in translation bounties, so I could freshen it up to make it sound a little more "standard" and professional.

Did you get into contact with bitcoin.org, and are they willing to publish your version? It would be a shame to spend my time working on this, if there's no real interest in a "better" version.

Cheers!

[GazetaBitcoin]

Genius idea, Gazeta, respect for your findings + efforts.

Thank you! Thank you very much. Yes... it's been a long work, but I really wanted to make sure it's flawless... I am a perfectionist and many times, in order to make a perfect thing you need much time.

It inspired me to take a look into the Dutch WP, which is respectable but not perfect [...]

I could freshen it up to make it sound a little more "standard" and professional.

This is a great idea, so I am congratulating you for your analysis. I wish you good luck in this attempt and also to make sure you have patience; and also to read, re-read, check, double check and triple check the final document prior submitting it. I remember that Little Mouse said earlier in this topic that he noticed the Bengali translation is not good at all and that he intends to re-make it, but I don't know if he started working on it... But anyway, this kind of checks is good for us, as bitcoiners and as people which respect Satoshi's work...

Did you get into contact with bitcoin.org, and are they willing to publish your version? It would be a shame to spend my time working on this, if there's no real interest in a "better" version.

I tried, but I did not find any proper way to contact Cøbra, nor other bitcoin.org operative person, to announce about my intention... So I had to do it using the official procedure, which is also mentioned by other users in this topic: opening a pull request on bitcoin.org, submit the document, explain the differences between the existing translation and the proposed one... And now I am just waiting to see if the pull request will get any attention by anyone. Actually, NeuroticFish realized the pull request procedure (and he also helped me a lot with proof reading and with adapting the diagrams and mathematics formulas in Romanian).

Practically, to answer to your question, if you'll do the new translation... I think you will have to have very, very much... hope that your good intentions will reach their final purpose, as there is no guarantee that the pull request will be taken into consideration...

[Little Mouse]

I remember that Little Mouse said earlier in this topic that he noticed the Bengali translation is not good at all and that he intends to re-make it, but I don't know if he started working on it.

It is on my to do list but due to personal works I have on hand, I can't continue at the moment. But I will certainly look on it soon and translate the necessary part and submit again. There’s one more Bangladeshi who might be interested on this as I saw he is contributing in the forum with some great contents in our local thread. I'm talking about Dtalk. He is doing some good job in the local board so far.

[GazetaBitcoin]

It is on my to do list but due to personal works I have on hand, I can't continue at the moment.

No worries, Little Mouse. I was just wondering if you made any steps forward on this matter, as I was curious what eventual answer you may have received from the bitcoin.org maintainers... so to know what to expect as well... But as you did not have time to work in this direction I guess I'll just have to see how things work with my own eyes

Anyway, at the moment there is nothing to do, just wait for a response from their side. I don't know how much time is usually required... By the way, does anyone have any idea about in how much time a pull request is analyzed by anyone from bitcoin.org? Or in how much time you receive a reply, no matter if a pull request is accepted or not...?

[NeuroticFish]

Follow up:
The good news is that the pull request was taken into consideration.
The not so good (but actually normal) thing is that we need Romanian people confirm that the new translation is good.

@neuro-fishy Thanks for addressing this. And really great job! Can any other Romanian speaker confirm here on GitHub that this version is now indeed accurate?

@Cobra-Bitcoin will then merge.

I made a topic/request on Romanian section of the forum for this, I'll kindly ask Romanian natives even if they may not be so much active on the Romanian subforum to go there for the steps to be done and please help us with a honest review. Although it may mean 15-20 minutes spent, it will be of benefit for Bitcoin, for Romanian community and for you too, since you will have read the Bitcoin white paper 

[IonCreanga]

Hi, I've also read both translations and I have to admit I'm a little ashamed about the first one. Thanks GazetaBitcoin for bringing this into our attention and for acting accordingly to create a better one. I agree that your translation is on a whole other level.


edit:
For those who doesn't know, I am really Romanian
And I very much enjoy Ion Creangă's writings.
Especially this one "Tale of all tales" 

[GazetaBitcoin]

This is really great news, NeuroticFish, and it is really amazing that bitcoin.org's maintainers are checking now the new translation. As a matter of fact, I can see that also Cøbra himself commented to the new proposal, so the new translation got the attention of the most important person of the website.

I am really confident now that things are moving in the right direction and, if this very topic of BitcoinTalk will receive posts confirming the quality of the new translation, then indeed the old one will be replaced eventually. I highly encourage any member to post if they can confirm this and I thank you all in advance for giving a hand of help. It is a matter of respect for Satoshi's work, for a historic document, for Romanian bitcoiners and for our Bitcoin community as a whole.

I also encourage any other forum members I collaborated with in the past regarding various English - Romanian translations, including, but not limited to: LoyceV, 1Miau, fillippone, nullius, Little Mouse, if you can also confirm my work for other translations realized for you, and if you were pleased by my work at large, speaking about translations. Any input of this matter may be of huge help. Thank you also in advance!

Hi, I've also read both translations and I have to admit I'm a little ashamed about the first one. Thanks GazetaBitcoin for bringing this into our attention and for acting accordingly to create a better one. I agree that your translation is on a whole other level.

Thank you so much, IonCreanga! Your feedback is much appreciated!

[LoyceV]

I was asked to respond here, but unfortunately I'm not the best person to ask. I have no reason to doubt GazetaBitcoin's intentions or the quality of his work, but at best I could use Google Translate, which makes my opinion on these translations as useless as anybody else who doesn't speak Romanian.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Thank you LoyceV, any kind of input is much appreciated! Thank you also for not doubting my good intentions, nor the quality of my work. Indeed, it's hard for a non-Romanian native to see the differences, but at least people know I had best intentions for the new proposed translation.

[1miau]

Hi!

I don't speak Romanian, but GazetaBitcoin has translated numerous of my topics into Romanian, here a few examples:

- Evitarea plății unor comisioane BTC prea mari – ghid pas cu pas (Electrum) (Make sure to avoid wasting BTC for too high fees – step by step guide (Electrum))
- [GHID] Cum îți creezi o adresă Bitcoin personalizată (vanitygen) – pas cu pas ([Guide] How to create your customized Bitcoin-Address (vanitygen) – step by step)
- De ce procesul KYC este unul deosebit de periculos – și inutil (Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless)
- MLM – o periculoasă strategie de marketing (MLM – a dangerous marketing strategy)
and many more...


In addition, GazetaBitcoin invested a lot of time in sharing the words of Satoshi and of the Cypherpunks inside the forum, with topics like these:

- Bitcoin: The dream of Cypherpunks, libertarians and crypto-anarchists
- Governs are coming for the traders!
- Cryptocurrency vs digital money issued by the state
- The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto - We all should read it
- Governs try to limit access of public to information and freedom since ages
- Phil Zimmermann's thoughts about PGP - We all should read them
- When the govern wants to hold your private keys
- The call for Julian Assange || The WikiLeaks Manifesto - We all should read it
- 12 years later and people still don't know to use Bitcoin nor what it's good for


GazetaBitcoin has achieved a highly trusted reputation and a great history of creating valuable posts which earned him a Legendary rank and almost 1.5k Merits where many were credited from theymos.

I trust GazetaBitcoin as a reliable person and as a professional and experienced translator and can confirm that I've never had any problems at his translations of my topics.
It's great to see GazetaBitcoin and NeuroticFish dedicated to improve the Romanian translation of the original Bitcoin whitepaper.  

[GazetaBitcoin]

I trust GazetaBitcoin as a reliable person and as a professional and experienced translator and can confirm that I've never had any problems at his translations of my topics.
It's great to see GazetaBitcoin and NeuroticFish dedicated to improve the Romanian translation of the original Bitcoin whitepaper. 

Thank you so much, 1miau, for your support! I can not express with words how much I thank you for getting involved on this matter...  May the Great spirit of Cats watch you and thank you again for your kind words. I really tried to make things right and it is a great feeling I have seeing such many reputable forum members supporting my (and NeuroticFish's too) initiative!

[fillippone]

Hello.
I just commented on the PR on Github with my account.
You have translated a few articles into Romanian and I know from there how much dedication you put into your work.

<...>
List of my posts eligible for translation:

• Everything you wanted to know about BTC futures but were afraid to ask!

<....>

• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin: Tot ce voiai să știi despre Bitcoin futures dar îți era teamă să întrebi!

<...>

• Everything you wanted to know about BTC options but were afraid to ask!
• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Tot ce voiai să știi despre opțiunile BTC dar îți era teamă să întrebi

<...>

• Stock To Flow Model: Modeling Bitcoin's Value with Scarcity

• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Modelul Stoc-Flux: Evaluând Bitcoin Bazat Pe Raritatea Sa

<...>

• Comprare Bitcoin senza KYC: Bitcoin Bancomat a Milano rispettoso della Privacy (from Italian)

<...>

• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Cumpără Bitcoin fără KYC: ATM-ul Bitcoin din Milano care respectă anonimitatea

• #meritislife: how to be notified on a smartband of merits and mentions

• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin: #meritulesteviata cum să fii notificat pe Smartband despre merite și menționări

<...>

• Everything you wanted to know about Grayscale BTC Trust but were afraid to ask!
• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin:Tot ce voiai să știi despre trustul BTC Grayscale dar îți era teamă să întrebi!

<...>

• 5 Resources to teach Average Joe about Bitcoin
• Romanian Translation by Gazetabitcoin: 5 modalități de a-l învăța pe omul obișnuit despre Bitcoin

Hope this helps your cause.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Grazie fillippone for your feedback! It's much appreciated! Thank you so much! I really hope that all these inputs will lead to a positive outcome regarding the new proposed translation!

[20kevin20]

Local Romanian poster. I've printed the shameful translation a long time ago and gave it to someone close who I thought would understand Bitcoin much easier. They were even more confused after reading the nonsense translation than they were before. That's when I found out how bad the old translation is.

I can confirm Gazeta and Neurotic's work is properly written and translated. Well done to both of them for the hard work, and shame on me for completely missing this thread on the forum as I would've more than happily helped out with the translation too!

[GazetaBitcoin]

Local Romanian poster. I've printed the shameful translation a long time ago and gave it to someone close who I thought would understand Bitcoin much easier. They were even more confused after reading the nonsense translation than they were before. That's when I found out how bad the old translation is.

Thank you for confirming this, kevin.

I can confirm Gazeta and Neurotic's work is properly written and translated. Well done to both of them for the hard work

Thank you also and thank you very much for confirming this as well. It is very important to have Romanians confirming the quality of the new proposed translation. I really appreciate your feedback on this matter, kevin!

shame on me for completely missing this thread on the forum as I would've more than happily helped out with the translation too!

It's okay, don't worry I am sure we will have many other opportunities to work together in the future, for the benefit of the forum!

[NeuroticFish]

Update:

The new translation was merged to Bitcoin master repository. (Hooray!)

The website still shows the old translator and links the old pdf document.
I don't know how / what is the procedure for that too, I don't know if the guys simply need time for that, is it us who have to do it, or I just have to post an "issue", but I'd say that we're on the right track, since it got approved.

And it's also available for download on the white paper page (although for now still with the old translator's name)

Thank you all for the feedback!

[fillippone]

Update:

The new translation was merged to Bitcoin master repository. (Hooray!)

The website still shows the old translator and links the old pdf document.
I don't know how / what is the procedure for that too, I don't know if the guys simply need time for that, is it us who have to do it, or I just have to post an "issue", but I'd say that we're on the right track, since it got approved.

And it's also available for download on the white paper page (although for now still with the old translator's name)

Thank you all for the feedback!

Wonderful news, thank you @gazetabitcoin and @NeuroticFish for your accomplishment.
You put a lot of effort in what you do to spred the knowledge of the gospel fo Satoshi!

[GazetaBitcoin]

It is a great day to live! I wanted to write a very special message here for this accomplishment, but I simply could not find proper words. So what I'm writing is straight and coming out of my mind right as we speak...

The new translation has been accepted!

In the above screenshot you can see a part of its first page. The highlighted part says:

"Romanian translation realized by Gazeta Bitcoin
Proof reading and adapted diagrams realized by NeuroticFish"

Feel free to check the entire document here: https://bitcoin.org/files/bitcoin-paper/bitcoin_ro.pdf.

It's been a huge amount of work, which took months for making it flawless. But without NeuroticFish it could not be done. He helped me with reading, re-reading and re-re [...] -reading the document for so many times, spotting typos, various errors, bringing suggestions for a better formulation of the text... I remember that a very delicate part was to find a proper (and also idiomatic, and I want to accentuate this - idiomatic) way to say in Romanian the names of two problems mentioned by Satoshi: The Gambler's Ruin Problem and The Binomial Random Walk. Many economic, statistics or mathematics problems which have a foreign name have also a translated name. But not all of them. And, anyway, even if they have a translated name in a specific language, there are high chances to not know the respective name unless you are experienced in the respective field. The names of these two problems... gave us problems, to say so So we just thought and thought how they should be spelled in Romanian. I wanted so much to have just a perfect translation. NeuroticFish, on his side, he is a perfectionist as I also am. Sometimes, a perfectionist may be seen as pushy by others. Or as insisting too much. He knew that. But I also knew that, as I know how I am seen sometimes by others. He excused himself for insisting on some matters, but I told him: "NeuroticFish, never worry about the way I see when you insist on some things! I want you to do it! And I thank you for acting on this manner, because only this way we can target perfection!". I needed such a person to collaborate with, as this work was about showing full respect and dedication for what Satoshi did... So, coming back to those two problems, I initially found a way to say their names in Romanian, then NeuroticFish came with another suggestion, then I came with another suggestion... Then we both started to search the Internet deeper and deeper for finding any possible clue if those problems had a Romanian name. Those two names - just this part, which seem so simple - took us a few days, if I remember well...

And that was just an example of how hard this work was. There are many English words or words used in cryptography or in Computer Science which do not have a Romanian counterpart. Some have, but sound not so natural. And yet, they are Romanian words. This part took also a great amount of time. Two such examples are "nonce" (which does not exist in Romanian) and "byte" (which exists in Romanian, in two variants - "bait" and "octet")...

I could give many other examples of this thorough and elaborate work, but this is not the main focus of this post. I just wanted to say a few examples of what I remember, things which seem so simple and yet they are very complicated.

Excepting his help on such kind of situations he also adapted all the diagrams in Romanian. Furthermore, even the mathematics formulas used by Satoshi are also translated in Romanian, as they contain a few words in English.


In the end, this tremendous work was finished... But, somehow, the hardest part was just about to come: meaning to see the final outcome of the new proposed translation. To see if it will be accepted by bitcoin.org's maintainers. So we asked for help. For opinions from other experienced members. Some kind users gave very useful advice. I went even more far: I asked theymos for guidance. And theymos was also kind and offered me precious guidelines for how to proceed. I take this occasion for thanking him personally for helping with sharing his great knowledge with me in the matter of performing a pull request. He warned me though that I should seek Romanians to confirm the quality of the new translation as otherwise Cøbra would not be able to accept the new proposed translation as he would not know anything about its quality, nor about its author and nor about NeuroticFish, which created the pull request.

As a consequence, when Cøbra wrote on GitHub that

Thank you for this, unfortunately it's hard for us to review the quality of a translation, so it can sometimes happen that a bad translation of the whitepaper slips through.

As @Komodorpudel said, we will wait for a native Romanian speaker to confirm the quality of this particular translation, and then we will merge.

I already knew that this was supposed to happen.

The good part was that Cøbra and Komodorpudel had their eyes on the new proposed translation, which, for me, was another reason to fear about. Indeed, I also feared that the pull request will not be observed or maybe it will not get anybody's attention. I was happy to see I was wrong about that.

The hard part was to have indeed people to confirm the quality of the new translation and people who can confirm, at least, my general good intentions regarding Bitcoin, regarding Satoshi, regarding the Cypherpunks, regarding this forum or regarding the spread of Satoshi's word to people... This part was hard because Romanian board is mostly inactive, no matter how many efforts were done by me and a very few users which tried to keep it alive - NeuroticFish, 20kevin20 or IonCreanga. So I did not know if Cøbra's (normal) request can be accomplished.

But I kept my hope. In the end, this was all I could do. I simply hoped.

And, after a few days, the miracle happened! The new proposed translation was accepted! And this is unbelievable, as I still can't believe what I see with my own eyes. I started this journey on November 1st, 2020, when I created this topic, so 5 months and a half passed since then. I started this journey blindly, as I knew it will be a huge work, if I want it to be flawless; I was aware of some of the risks that could jeopardize the final result -- meaning all the work could be in vain; and during this journey I found out about even more difficulties which could also lead to have a work in vain. So all I can say now is that for me everything seems like a miracle! And that I am so happy to see this positive outcome, as I am so happy I could do something very important in respect for Satoshi, for his work and also for bitcoiners!


But none of these could be realized without so many of you. Somehow -- like in another miracle -- so many worked as a team. And I want to thank you all.

I want to thank to those which in November 2020 encouraged me to create a new translation from scratch - nullius was the first; NeuroticFish was the second.

I want to thank to all users which offered valuable information about how to work with GitHub pull requests: notblox1, nullius, bitmover, NeuroticFish and NotATether. And, of course, I also thank to theymos which gave me precious details about all this process and about what to expect while doing it.

I want to thank to NeuroticFish for being there with me in all this journey and for helping me so much. Without him none of these could be possible.

And I also thank to all of you which supported the new translation, which offered feedback about the quality of the new translation or which wrote positive feedback about me, about my good intentions, about my passion for Bitcoin and about my dedication when it is about working on a specific matter. Your inputs from GitHub and from this topic led to having this translation approved! So I want to thank to IonCreanga, 20kevin20, LoyceV, 1miau, fillippone and icopress. Again, without you, none of this could happen!

Last, but not least, I also want to thank to all other users which supported me in various ways, from sending encouraging PMs to offering me their ideas and congratulations for what I did. I will not mention all your names here, but you know which ones you are. And I thank you all. Your words helped me keep my hope alive and gave me even more determination for doing this!


Of course, I could not end this post without thanking as well to Cøbra and to Komodorpudel for accepting the new proposed translation. I know that my name meant nothing for you before as same happened with NeuroticFish's name. Maybe if you were active on this forum these names would tell you a few things but you are not active here so I understand perfectly how you felt when a total stranger came and said: "Hey, look! The actual translation of the white paper is very bad... You should change it with this new one!". Of course, these were not the exact words but this was the general idea.

I know you had to take a leap of faith here and, in the end, you took it. The feedbacks from forum members with great reputation must have been crucial for convincing you, but I am sure that, as you can not read the document, you felt you had to take a risk. And indeed it was a risk... But the result is now that a very good translation is present on bitcoin.org and this document is a way for respecting Satoshi. This document will help, maybe, hundreds or thousands of Romanian bitcoiners, curious to understand Bitcoin or to learn from this historical paper.

You took the right decision and I am happy about that and I thank you very much.

One small kind request though: on the website (https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper) the Romanian translation still appears in the list with its previous author:



Please be so kind and change the author as well. Thank you in advance.


Thank you all, one more time. As you see, we worked as a team during all these months. Each had a special role in this project. And each had an important contribution for this final result.

Long live Bitcoin!

[NeuroticFish]

Sometimes, a perfectionist may be seen as pushy by others.

Yep, it was quite an adventure... Thank you for the bigger part of work (it was quite an amount of it and I can only guess the pressure to make it right) and thank you for the patience with me  , I'd say that the result worth it!

And I also thank to all of you which supported the new translation, which offered feedback about the quality of the new translation or which wrote positive feedback about me, about my good intentions, about my passion for Bitcoin and about my dedication when it is about working on a specific matter. Your inputs from GitHub and from this topic led to having this translation approved! So I want to thank to IonCreanga, 20kevin20, LoyceV, 1miau and fillippone. Again, without you, none of this could happen!

I will also add icopress to the list, since he has also supported the translation, he posted on GitHub to the issue I've created for this.

Thank you all! It was a group effort and Gazeta's fears have somewhat also scared me. Good that everything has ended so well and rather quick too after it went public (thanks Komodorpudel for bringing it to Cøbra's attention and big thank you to Cøbra for the nice, quick and professional handling)!

[GazetaBitcoin]

Yep, it was quite an adventure [...]I'd say that the result worth it!

Everything was worth it! Absolutely everything! And I am more than happy that we reached this achievement!

I will also add icopress to the list, since he has also supported the translation, he posted on GitHub to the issue I've created for this.

Thank you for the heads-up, NeuroticFish! And I am sorry for my small mistake, icopress! I just updated my previous post. I simply did not see his comment there... I was looking at the other link, where all the others commented (https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/Bitcoin.org/pull/3630#issuecomment-812834229). However, I thank him too inside me and I also included him in the list of all which supported me but I did not mention them all as they were too many... We exchanged some PMs regarding this initiative and I highly appreciated his support. Thank you icopress. And please forgive me.

Gazeta's fears have somewhat also scared me. Good that everything has ended so well and rather quick too after it went public

Hehe, sorry for being paranoid some times I guess when I am in situations of facing a supreme achievement or happiness I think of the worst many times... I don;t know why. Maybe because when you expect the worst, then if it happens, you already got used with the idea of it happening...? And also, in the opposite case, the happiness feels even greater...? In any case, this time the fears did not materialize and we can all celebrate

[NeuroticFish]

Please be so kind and change the author as well. Thank you in advance.

I've made today a new pull request (this time for the web page) where I've put, as you asked, your name as translator and the link to your Bitcointalk profile.
And (drums..) the pull request was already merged (some minutes ago) by Cøbra to master repository.
So I expect that rather soon this will also be visible on the website.


Edit: It's all good now. And I guess that this thread can be locked. There's nothing shameful any longer in the Romanian translation for the Bitcoin white paper. Au contraire! 

[GazetaBitcoin]

(drums..) the pull request was already merged (some minutes ago) by Cøbra to master repository [...] It's all good now.

Thank you once more time, NeuroticFish, for having helping out also with this final step! You are a true asset!

Everything is solved now for the Romanian translation of the white paper. We can say Flawless Victory! (I just remembered this quote from Moral Kombat games )

There's nothing shameful any longer in the Romanian translation for the Bitcoin white paper. Au contraire!  

Indeed! And, as a consequence, I also updated the title of the topic. The shame is gone!

I guess that this thread can be locked.

Yup, I'll close it soon.