How will Trump leave the White House?

[BADecker]

How will Trump leave the White House?


With all his ducks in a row.


 

[PrimeNumber7]

I recently heard a decent argument that pardoning himself may actually increase the chances of charges being filed.  The pardon would need to be litigated before any trial and could motivate prosecutors to file charges to hopefully prevent the precedent of a self pardon being valid.  Of course it could be found valid, but it seems like there's a reasonable chance that it won't be.

I don't see any reason why pardoning himself would not be valid. The constitution is clear that the President has the power to grant "Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States" except in impeachment cases.

If the SC is expanded, the text of the constitution will not matter, and the SC would invalidate any pardon Trump gives himself.

At the end of their terms, both Clinton and Obama gave thousands of pardons that were both politically/personally motivated and controversial.

[Searing]

Well here is another nail in the coffin of the Trump Administration trying to overturn the Presidential Election with dubious FUD (Fear/Uncertainty/disinformation) in the use

of tactics, all of which have failed so far.

Today is the 'deadline' for the 'so-called' SAFE HARBOR rule which is an Electoral College deadline before voting of the Electoral College.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/08/safe-harbor-deadline-arrives-hurting-trumps-bid-overturn-election/6478954002/

I quote below from link above:

Tuesday marked the "safe harbor" deadline. Federal law requires that Congress recognize the slates of electors chosen by states that have resolved legal fights,
recounts and other election disputes by this date.

end quote.

As to leaving office, it is not just TRUMP, it seems the many actual legislators are tossing a tantrum on this as well, not that it will do any good.

Trump himself sounds like once he has left for Thanksgiving for Florida, he won't go back to the White House or attend the Biden Swearing in.

Meanwhile, other antics below to also try to muddy the waters on Trump leaving office, futile and spiteful though they may be! ;(

So as seen below, 'lets get congress involved' in the foot dragging of transition issues as well! Such fun!

So, for the life of me, I can't see anything that can happen on this, from the Trump Administration yet, then to simply drag out the transition process to give the

Biden Administration a 'black eye' for having nothing in help in getting up to speed on the transition. So we have a pandemic, economic issues, and practicality

a constitutional crisis of a President of the United States saying the 'election' was rigged. So just toss them 3-4 months of cooperation away to get the next leadership

team up to speed ..is just too 'hard'

Indeed it is so bad, that it may take even more weeks to resolve if the 'supposed' actions are followed through on certifying the election in the House,etc.

Damn, when the USA decides to go FULL Banana Republic, we don't mess around with any kind of finesse! Such as link below spells out.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/07/politics/house-republicans-trump-biden/index.html

My 'own' conclusion (dubious) is that the 'powers that be' in the Republican Party are so sure that they will NOT win (likely IMHO) any national elections from 2022

onward due to the changing youth and demographics and such with the nation. They are in 'full' hell with it mode, and just gonna burn things as they go out the door

in the next 2-4 years, in a 'hopeless' bit of spite. All of the above in no way seems to be helping the country in any manner, so it has to be politcal spite at the loss.

I mean it is a frigging 'lame-duck' session, all sorts of political cover to stimulate the economy with individual stimulus checks and aid to states, assuming the Republican

party 'still' wants states to lead fights on pandemics in this nature (states rights) without federal government mobilization, as the other option.

You either fund states to do stuff or your fund federal gov't to do stuff in national emergencies, or usually both, but not in the weird world of 2020 I guess.

Brad

[BADecker]

How will Trump leave the White House?


As the triumphant victor, a little over 4 years from now.

[suchmoon]

As the triumphant victor, a little over 4 years from now.

Why would he leave if he wins (presumably his third term because the constitution will no longer exist by then).

[BADecker]

As the triumphant victor, a little over 4 years from now.

Why would he leave if he wins (presumably his third term because the constitution will no longer exist by then).

Trump's idea is to uphold the Constitution. If it doesn't exist by then, he would probably have gone down with it when its destroyers destroy it. It wouldn't be Biden, of course. Nor Harris by a long shot. And it would take some pretty good controllers to control those kinds of dummies enough to crash the Constitution with Trump in office... considering what he is doing with the KRAKEN and his executive orders right now.

[BADecker]

^^^ The blockchain has been around for years, now. There are many people who know how to program it. But nobody seems to be able to put enough of the understanding about the psychology of people into using the blockchain in a correct enough way to make big moves in the world.

[suchmoon]

considering what he is doing with the KRAKEN and his executive orders right now.

My point exactly. With all that Kraken shit he's taking a massive steaming dump on the constitution and the states' laws to appoint electors via popular election. For your fantasy to succeed the constitution would have to cease to exist, which could make Trump's 3rd term possible too. So again, 4 years from now - why would Trump be a winner and leaving the White House? Doesn't make sense.

[BADecker]

considering what he is doing with the KRAKEN and his executive orders right now.

My point exactly. With all that Kraken shit he's taking a massive steaming dump on the constitution and the states' laws to appoint electors via popular election. For your fantasy to succeed the constitution would have to cease to exist, which could make Trump's 3rd term possible too. So again, 4 years from now - why would Trump be a winner and leaving the White House? Doesn't make sense.

Except that he used the Constitution and the laws to put all that stuff you call "shit" in place. If there is something in it that is not listed in the permissions allowed by the Constitution, it is things that other Presidents have used, and it was not adjudicated by SCOTUS to be illegal. So, it is probably legal by precedent, at least until SCOTUS makes a direct ruling on it.

[yemight600]

He should walk majestically. He's done in four years what no one has done. The world now respect America. Iran, N-Korea are few examples of this.  He's shown us that at times, dialogue is not necessary, you need to handle things with iron hand.

[suchmoon]

iron hand

[TwitchySeal]

He's done in four years what no one has done.

so true

[Searing]

Well, just to further double down on what I think as the OP states: "How Will Trump Leave The White House?


I'm going with:

1) He will go to Florida and just stay there for Thanksgiving and not return to the White House at all.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-mar-a-lago-florida-stay-holiday-season

2) He will continue to 'rail' against the falsehoods that the Presidential Election was 'stolen' and now beat the new group of folks

on his 'hate' list the Supreme Court of the United States.

3) He will continue to try and have 'new' cases go up the court dockets to get stuff overturned...though that may get some of his Lawyers

disbarred according to the below article, as more than a 'step' too far.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/11/can-trumps-lawyers-get-trouble-frivolous-lawsuits

4) He will 'milk' this 'stolen election' theme and continue to get as much $$$ as he can to pay legal bills with the states after he is out of office

and federal (if he does not get a pardon by himself or someone else!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raises-more-than-150-million-appealing-to-false-election-claims/2020/11/30/82e922e6-3347-11eb-afe6-e4dbee9689f8_story.html

5) He will NOT show up for any help in the Biden Transition and indeed will not show up for the Biden Inauguration either

6) On the day Biden is sworn in as President Trump will make a speech yet again, about the false stolen election and his 2024 run and ask for yet "MORE" $$.

Anyway...I'd pretty much bet my own money, as some above I've stated before, that he will do ALL of the above.

What a cluster***k.  The Founding Fathers of the USA have to be 'rolling' in their graves indeed.

Brad

[squatz1]

He's done in four years what no one has done.

so true

OOF.

I guess you could add in continuing to say that he won the election and is refusing to concede the race. Guy still hasn't made the phone call to Joe Biden and hasn't begun to call for the country to unite behind the winner.

I do still think that he's going to leave the WH without any sort of issue. He'll just walk right out while calling it a fraud and then try to start his own little news company or whatever. He raised around 200-300m off this entire thing.

[TwitchySeal]

6) On the day Biden is sworn in as President Trump will make a speech yet again, about the false stolen election and his 2024 run and ask for yet "MORE" $$.

I believe he's planning a rally on inauguration day to compete with Bidens ratings, there are even reports he's planning to announce he's going to run in 2024.  

Jan 20 is over 5 weeks away though, plenty of time to squeeze in a few more scandals.  Or maybe more than a few.  

- Pardons
- Obstructing the transition
- Destroying evidence
- Sabotaging whatever he can so Bidens first year is as bad as possible (attack Iran, move all the Troops around in a weird way, give Israel/Saudis/Turkey/Russia whatever he can in exchange for very little or something we can't afford, fire lots of good non-political federal employees, replace them with lots his idiot friends, etc...)

[BADecker]

We forget that the whole idea of a democracy or a republic is to do away with kings. Are we going to stand up and not let a kingship come into being, be it with Trump, or be it with Biden? Or are we going to slide into a kingship-type government once more.

Stand up and be a man or woman. Take your place in the rulership of your own life. Reduce the importance of kings. If you give the presidential kingship your strength, you will become slaves to it. Look for other ways to rule your own life... other than a king that you can't control.

[Tash]

We forget that the whole idea of a democracy or a republic is to do away with kings. Are we going to stand up and not let a kingship come into being, be it with Trump, or be it with Biden? Or are we going to slide into a kingship-type government once more.

Stand up and be a man or woman. Take your place in the rulership of your own life. Reduce the importance of kings. If you give the presidential kingship your strength, you will become slaves to it. Look for other ways to rule your own life... other than a king that you can't control.

To away not only with Kings, to away with rulers, no-one has more rights than others. No-one has authority over someone birth right.
Election are fraud
https://youtu.be/P-4avI64rxU

[BADecker]

We forget that the whole idea of a democracy or a republic is to do away with kings. Are we going to stand up and not let a kingship come into being, be it with Trump, or be it with Biden? Or are we going to slide into a kingship-type government once more.

Stand up and be a man or woman. Take your place in the rulership of your own life. Reduce the importance of kings. If you give the presidential kingship your strength, you will become slaves to it. Look for other ways to rule your own life... other than a king that you can't control.

To away not only with Kings, to away with rulers, no-one has more rights than others. No-one has authority over someone birth right.
Election are fraud
https://youtu.be/P-4avI64rxU

However, it is not against the law or nature to voluntarily appoint a leader. There is a leader in every small business. There is a leader in every household. Households and business without a leader fail. The thing that is bad is unjustified tyranny. The justification is determined by the laws of nature.

[Mauser]

I just saw the news of Trump supporters clashing with Biden supporters. Hopefully the transfer 9f power in January is going to be peaceful. Nothing can be solved with violence, there is only be going to be more violence. The best strategy for Trump would be to acknowledge defeat and just move on. If he gives up the white House without a hustle the chances of his daughter to become president are looking good.

[Tash]

We forget that the whole idea of a democracy or a republic is to do away with kings. Are we going to stand up and not let a kingship come into being, be it with Trump, or be it with Biden? Or are we going to slide into a kingship-type government once more.

Stand up and be a man or woman. Take your place in the rulership of your own life. Reduce the importance of kings. If you give the presidential kingship your strength, you will become slaves to it. Look for other ways to rule your own life... other than a king that you can't control.

To away not only with Kings, to away with rulers, no-one has more rights than others. No-one has authority over someone birth right.
Election are fraud
https://youtu.be/P-4avI64rxU

However, it is not against the law or nature to voluntarily appoint a leader. There is a leader in every small business. There is a leader in every household. Households and business without a leader fail. The thing that is bad is unjustified tyranny. The justification is determined by the laws of nature.

Voluntary leader where everyone contributes on volunteer basis. More time/money on some projects less on others. Everyone pulling on same string/direction with no free riders to worry about or oppose hard work