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April 04, 2014, 07:03:41 PM
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New BTC address to support hospials in england: 143Nv6NLqCgcfassc83dVVA54KSMEnE4hU

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April 04, 2014, 08:01:53 PM
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New BTC address to support hospials in england: 143Nv6NLqCgcfassc83dVVA54KSMEnE4hU



Private or public hospitals?
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April 06, 2014, 03:47:34 PM
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Now at least we know what was the sex of most of that burning fuel
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Minister orders investigation into abortion of girls
A new survey of birth ratios in Britain has been ordered by the Government, amid fears that sex-selective abortions are taking place



A new survey of birth ratios in Britain has been ordered by the Government, amid fears that sex-selective abortions are taking place in Britain.

Earl Howe, a health minister, said the Government wants to “monitor the situation” and “remain vigilant” following evidence that some doctors in the UK are carrying out selective abortions.

He also announced that new guidance will be issued “shortly” to doctors which sets out the Government’s interpretation of the law on gender-selective abortions, as well as further information about reaching and recording an opinion formed in good faith”.

It was reported earlier this year that illegal abortion of female foetuses to ensure that families have sons is widely practised within some ethnic communities in the UK.

That came after an investigation by The Telegraph in 2012 which uncovered evidence that women were being granted illegal abortions by doctors based on the sex of their unborn baby.

Doctors at British clinics were secretly filmed agreeing to terminate foetuses purely because they are either male or female.

Speaking in a debate in the House of Lords, Baroness Knight said that four of the seven sections of the Abortion Act 1967 “seem to be broken regularly”,

She said: “Yet it is impossible to get details of investigations into this law-breaking or about any resulting prosecutions.”

Lady Knight, a former senior Conservative MP, added: “Abortion law surely lacks clarity on matters that need to be clear.

“Furthermore, it suffers from those who play with words to the extent that it permits terminations that were never intended to be legal.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/10745189/Minister-orders-investigation-into-abortion-of-girls.html
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April 06, 2014, 04:44:22 PM
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New BTC address to support hospials in england: 143Nv6NLqCgcfassc83dVVA54KSMEnE4hU

Why Bitcoiners should support British hospitals. If Britain refrains from bombing foreign nations like Serbia and Libya, there will be enough money with the government to look after the clinics, right?
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April 06, 2014, 04:56:12 PM
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New BTC address to support hospials in england: 143Nv6NLqCgcfassc83dVVA54KSMEnE4hU

Why Bitcoiners should support British hospitals. If Britain refrains from bombing foreign nations like Serbia and Libya, there will be enough money with the government to look after the clinics, right?

Everybody understood this bitcoin address was NOT going to support anyone but whoever posted it  Wink
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April 07, 2014, 04:56:03 PM
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That sounds horrible!But lets be honest what else can they do with those dead bodies?

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April 07, 2014, 04:59:21 PM
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Obviously they are not using babies for heat. They are incinerating them as per legal requirements dealing with bodies. They surely also burn tumors, severed limbs, etc. Kinda gross, but not as shocking as it sounds.

The title of the thread obviously says they did, base on

Filmmakers working on Amanda Holden: Exposing Hospital Heartache discovered that the bodies of thousands of aborted and miscarried foetuses were burned as clinical waste in hospitals across the UK, with some being used to heat NHS buildings

So people would rather have them just waste that heat? Heat is a byproduct of disposal by burning. Using it for heating is the moral thing to do or maybe people just don't like energy efficiency and being green...

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April 07, 2014, 05:07:23 PM
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Obviously they are not using babies for heat. They are incinerating them as per legal requirements dealing with bodies. They surely also burn tumors, severed limbs, etc. Kinda gross, but not as shocking as it sounds.

The title of the thread obviously says they did, base on

Filmmakers working on Amanda Holden: Exposing Hospital Heartache discovered that the bodies of thousands of aborted and miscarried foetuses were burned as clinical waste in hospitals across the UK, with some being used to heat NHS buildings
In that case I can confirm that hospitals across the U.S. are being heated by babies, tumors, all sorts of body parts, as well as trash, food scraps, etc. I think our local EMS protocol is to throw everything into the incinerator except sharps, Haz-Mat stuff or radio isotopes.
But it's not like in the winter they go looking for babies. lol

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April 07, 2014, 06:33:05 PM
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That sounds horrible!But lets be honest what else can they do with those dead bodies?

Give them a proper burial, for example.
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April 07, 2014, 08:07:01 PM
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That sounds horrible!But lets be honest what else can they do with those dead bodies?

Give them a proper burial, for example.


But you see if you do this it would mean you give a fetus the right of a human being, contrary to those defending the belief of unlimited abortion until term, or even after birth (so called post-birth abortion)

So it is better to call it fuel for heating.


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April 07, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
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This sounds like a marketing story of a newspaper in order to make more bucks

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April 07, 2014, 11:48:12 PM
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This sounds like a marketing story of a newspaper in order to make more bucks

...Sure. Google it.
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April 08, 2014, 02:31:51 AM
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But you see if you do this it would mean you give a fetus the right of a human being, contrary to those defending the belief of unlimited abortion until term, or even after birth (so called post-birth abortion)

post-birth abortion is murder, period.

And fetus should be treated the same as an adult human.
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April 08, 2014, 07:18:03 AM
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But you see if you do this it would mean you give a fetus the right of a human being, contrary to those defending the belief of unlimited abortion until term, or even after birth (so called post-birth abortion)

post-birth abortion is murder, period.

And fetus should be treated the same as an adult human.


Here is somebody who did not think it was the case. 3 times:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2060118/posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVNjrATbA20

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April 08, 2014, 07:36:50 AM
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Here is somebody who did not think it was the case. 3 times:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2060118/posts

According to his logic murder is a crime only if its committed against someone who is at least a few days old. He is saying that newborns don't have the right to live.
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April 08, 2014, 07:44:44 PM
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Here is somebody who did not think it was the case. 3 times:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2060118/posts

According to his logic murder is a crime only if its committed against someone who is at least a few days old. He is saying that newborns don't have the right to live.

Murder is a crime only if the mother decided to change her mind from calling the fetus a "baby".

Here are the arguments for it:

Ethicists Argue in Favor of ‘After-Birth Abortions’ as Newborns ‘Are Not Persons’



Alberto Giubilini with Monash University in Melbourne and Francesca Minerva at the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics at the University of Melbourne write that in “circumstances occur[ing] after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.”

The two are quick to note that they prefer the term “after-birth abortion” as opposed to “infanticide.” Why? Because it “[emphasizes] that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child.” The authors also do not agree with the term euthanasia for this practice as the best interest of the person who would be killed is not necessarily the primary reason his or her life is being terminated. In other words, it may be in the parents’ best interest to terminate the life, not the newborns.

The circumstances, the authors state, where after-birth abortion should be considered acceptable include instances where the newborn would be putting the well-being of the family at risk, even if it had the potential for an “acceptable” life. The authors cite Downs Syndrome as an example, stating that while the quality of life of individuals with Downs is often reported as happy, “such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care.”

Ethicists Argue for Acceptance of After Birth Abortions
Francesca Minerva (Photo: Academia.edu)
This means a newborn whose family (or society) that could be socially, economically or psychologically burdened or damaged by the newborn should have the ability to seek out an after-birth abortion. They state that after-birth abortions are not preferable over early-term abortions of fetuses but should circumstances change with the family or the fetus in the womb, then they advocate that this option should be made available.

The authors go on to state that the moral status of a newborn is equivalent to a fetus in that it cannot be considered a person in the “morally relevant sense.” On this point, the authors write:

Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’. We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her.

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Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.

Giubilini and Minerva believe that being able to understand the value of a different situation, which often depends on mental development, determines personhood. For example, being able to tell the difference between an undesirable situation and a desirable one. They note that fetuses and newborns are “potential persons.” The authors do acknowledge that a mother, who they cite as an example of a true person, can attribute “subjective” moral rights to the fetus or newborn, but they state this is only a projected moral status.

The authors counter the argument that these “potential persons” have the right to reach that potential by stating it is “over-ridden by the interests of actual people (parents, family, society) to pursue their own well-being because, as we have just argued, merely potential people cannot be harmed by not being brought into existence.”

And what about adoption? Giubilini and Minerva write that, as for the mother putting the child up for adoption, her emotional state should be considered as a trumping right. For instance, if she were to “suffer psychological distress” from giving up her child to someone else — they state that natural mothers can dream their child will return to them — then after-birth abortion should be considered an allowable alternative.

The authors do not tackle the issue of what age an infant would be considered a person.

The National Catholic Register thinks that these authors are right — once you accept their ideas on personhood. The Register states that the argument made by the ethicists is almost pro-life in that it “highlights the absurdity of the pro-abortion argument”:

The second we allow ourselves to become the arbiters of who is human and who isn’t, this is the calamitous yet inevitable end. Once you say all human life is not sacred, the rest is just drawing random lines in the sand.

First Things, a publication of the The Institute on Religion and Public Life, notes that while this article doesn’t mean the law could — or would — allow after-birth abortions in future medical procedures, arguments such as “the right to dehydrate the persistently unconscious” began in much the same way in bioethics journals.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/27/ethicists-argue-in-favor-of-after-birth-abortions-as-newborns-are-not-persons/

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That is why a fetus is fuel good enough for heating buildings.

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April 08, 2014, 08:23:16 PM
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Cut to the chase.  How many Ghash/s can you get out of burning an aborted fetus?
 

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April 08, 2014, 10:59:11 PM
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Cut to the chase.  How many Ghash/s can you get out of burning an aborted fetus?
 

If coming from feminists aborting, about a factor of 0.7 thanks to the extra flammable toxic hot gas inside...

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April 09, 2014, 02:32:33 AM
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If coming from feminists aborting, about a factor of 0.7 thanks to the extra flammable toxic hot gas inside...

As it would result in the release of harmful toxins and ideology to the environment, I don't think that the government will grant permission for it.
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April 09, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
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Incensitive for the hospital to call the remains clinical waste, fetuses may only be as big as a pea but they are still the start of life. So treat their remains with respect and tell parents exactly what has happened to the remains of their baby's. Don't expect parents to ask when they are in a vulnerable state in the first place.
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