British hospitals burned dead babies to heat buildings.

[Wilikon]

Incensitive for the hospital to call the remains clinical waste, fetuses may only be as big as a pea but they are still the start of life. So treat their remains with respect and tell parents exactly what has happened to the remains of their baby's. Don't expect parents to ask when they are in a vulnerable state in the first place.

You cannot technically call the fetus' generators "parents" as it would bring too much "stuff" no one wants to deal with: When does life start? Does a fetus feel pain? Why would you want to discriminate against single mothers? Etc, etc...

You need to keep up with the program while feeding the hospital's smokestacks with the new flesh.

[bryant.coleman]

Incensitive for the hospital to call the remains clinical waste, fetuses may only be as big as a pea but they are still the start of life.

Tell that to the radical feminists who encourage after birth abortion (I call it new born murder). Anyone who is opposed to this savagery is being branded by the feminists as sexists.

[C10H15N]

...is being branded by the feminists as sexists.

Their gun only has one bullet.   

[Wilikon]

... And yet, if one feels nothing reading this thread's subject, a part of the feminist's war has been won already.

[C10H15N]

This thread makes me feel that some people are incredibly stupid.

[bryant.coleman]

... And yet, if one feels nothing reading this thread's subject, a part of the feminist's war has been won already.

The majority of the public feels nothing. That is a fact. And that is why incidents such as this is allowed to continue. And people who are opposed to this are afraid to speak out, for the fear of being branded as politically incorrect.

[practicaldreamer]

Regarding ethics/morality - we can justify anything morally with words. So words leave us back where we started.

IMHO a woman carries the baby and so the decision as to the fate of the foetus lay, ultimately, with her.
Not me, not you, not a moral philosopher, not a "right to life" evangelist, not a politician.

With regards the point at which in the pregnancy a termination should cease to be an option (legally) - my view is that it should cease to be an option at the point where the foetus would not be able to survive independantly (and without medical intervention (less maybe a couple of weeks)) - so what we talking ? 28 weeks ? I dunno - I'm not a doctor.

[Wilikon]

If music is supposed "to touch the soul", maybe 20 weeks for a fetus could be a good number, escaping being turned into fuel?
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BABIES REMEMBER MUSIC HEARD IN THE WOMB


[...]

The study, by Dr Alexandra Lamont from the Music Research Group at the University's School of Psychology, demonstrates how one-year-old babies recognise music they were exposed to up to three months before birth.

The discovery explodes the theory that babies can only remember things for a month or two and suggests that memory could last a great deal longer than that.

This provides important new evidence for the influence of nurture in early child development, said Dr Lamont, who is a lecturer in psychology.

She said: We know that the foetus in the womb is able to hear fully only 20 weeks after conception. Now we have discovered that babies can remember and prefer music that they heard before they were born over 12 months later.

http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Literacy/whatresearchwomb.asp

[bryant.coleman]

IMHO a woman carries the baby and so the decision as to the fate of the foetus lay, ultimately, with her.

I disagree. If the women doesn't want a baby, then she should use birth control. Birth control is readily available everywhere and is cheap. Once the fetus is conceived, she don't have the right to terminate it.

[Abdussamad]

So many people justifying this. What next? Use decomposing corpses as fertilizer?

[Ekaros]

So many people justifying this. What next? Use decomposing corpses as fertilizer?

Yes, corpses should be dug up from burial site and stored in airtight containers after they have decomposed. No point in allowing cemetaries to get fertilized.

[bryant.coleman]

So many people justifying this. What next? Use decomposing corpses as fertilizer?

You are right. This will progressively get worse. They are allowing after birth murder now. What next? May be they will order forcible euthanasia of the disabled and the elderly.

[C10H15N]

...Once the fetus is conceived, she don't have the right to terminate it.

Bullshit.  Her body, her decision.

Why do those with a penis feel they have the right to tell a woman what to do with her uterus?  

[vnvizow]

Well, that's enough internet for the day, WTF?

[bryant.coleman]

Bullshit.  Her body, her decision.

A fetus is a separate body. Not the same body as the woman. Yes... she had a choice. Whether to use birth-control or not.

[Wilikon]

So many people justifying this. What next? Use decomposing corpses as fertilizer?

You are right. This will progressively get worse. They are allowing after birth murder now. What next? May be they will order forcible euthanasia of the disabled and the elderly.

The next step is Soylent Green. After all we are but a bag of proteins. Why waste healthy dead bodies when we could recycle them into the food chain.

The dehumanization program is strong.

[Lethn]

...Once the fetus is conceived, she don't have the right to terminate it.

Bullshit.  Her body, her decision.

Why do those with a penis feel they have the right to tell a woman what to do with her uterus?  

I actually agree with you, I feel equally pissed off in the same way when women claim men can't be raped by women and we only ever get an erection because we're perverted lol.

But seriously, nobody has the right to tell anybody what to do with their own bodies, especially if it's going to physically harm them not doing it, also, the only response I've seen regarding a rape pregnancy from a pro-lifer is a patronising lecture.

[Wilikon]

Funny how this planet rolls: the women who do not want babies can convert them into burning fuel, while women who can't have to wait years for an adoption

[bryant.coleman]

The next step is Soylent Green. After all we are but a bag of proteins. Why waste healthy dead bodies when we could recycle them into the food chain.

All being aided by the bankers. If they can make hair-cuts from your bank savings account, then for sure they can seize your property, force you to hard labour, and exterminate you when you get exhausted.

[Ekaros]

Bullshit.  Her body, her decision.

A fetus is a separate body. Not the same body as the woman. Yes... she had a choice. Whether to use birth-control or not.

Fetus have the choise outside host-body, survive or don't. And if he/she can't pay for it, too bad...