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December 02, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
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I know what Satoshi Nakamoto has done and created for the bitcoiners.

However, he does not wish to be identified just like what he created the bitcoin using only the pseudonym to develop trust to the creator or founder and to the its users using bitcoin and also the bitcoin forum itself. In that way by using bitcoin we can develop trust to the transaction to be made and how it will be done. The only thing that we could prove is the blockchain records.
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December 02, 2020, 03:23:57 PM
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For me it doesn't really matter where he is right now and we should really leave the man alone. He is living maybe the millionaires life right now after selling some of his bitcoins and maybe he is still anonymously active in the development of Bitcoin and maybe some other coins using another alias. We will never know. All we do is simply wonder at the marvel he created and the genius behind it. We might never know his identity in our lifetime. One of the most secretive persons on the planet.

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December 02, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
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This kind of story is really important for the history of Satoshi Nakamoto, but there we may still not sure on the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, some may tell he/she is located in country of Japan.
I don't think we'll ever know. But Japan is highly unlikely based on research of the timestamps of activity of Satoshi on this forum:
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Stefan Thomas, a Swiss coder and active community member, graphed the time stamps for each of Nakamoto’s 500-plus bitcoin forum posts; the resulting chart showed a steep decline to almost no posts between the hours of 5 am and 11 am Greenwich Mean Time. Because this pattern held true even on Saturdays and Sundays, it suggested that the lull was occurring when Nakamoto was asleep, rather than at work.
So it's either Satoshi had a weird sleep pattern, or it's not Japan (and it's also not very likely to be London based on the time, by the way, but more likely to be US or Canada).
To be honest, I think it's even better not to know the real personality, so that it does not affect judgements about Bitcoin and its value.

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December 02, 2020, 11:35:41 PM
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Many have asked who Satoshi Nakamoto is and where he lives. But apart from that I think Satoshi Nakamoto has made a really big difference, so I think right now we don't have to know where Satoshi Nakamoto lives and who he is. the most important thing is that his work is still there and of high value until now

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December 02, 2020, 11:59:59 PM
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This kind of story is really important for the history of Satoshi Nakamoto, but there we may still not sure on the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, some may tell he/she is located in country of Japan.
I really admire these people who really doing research and have a time to study the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, kudos to them!

The only Country that legalizes bitcoin as a legal tender as a payment method since 2016.
The first biggest exchange was located in Japan and probably the Japanese name of Satoshi Nakamoto somewhat contributed to this decision.
Despite all the uncertainty and vagueness of the truth about his identity, we are grateful and always wish him the best.
I'm not really getting why people should unearth things that do not hold any significance or value anymore. Like who Satoshi Nakamoto is, he shouldn't be bothered anymore, after all the coin is already bigger than himself and it has been able to survive without his assistance all this time, so why waste and invest all this power in looking for him?
For me it doesn't really matter where he is right now and we should really leave the man alone. He is living maybe the millionaires life right now after selling some of his bitcoins and maybe he is still anonymously active in the development of Bitcoin and maybe some other coins using another alias. We will never know. All we do is simply wonder at the marvel he created and the genius behind it. We might never know his identity in our lifetime. One of the most secretive persons on the planet.
Exactly. He specifically wished to be left alone and to be left in his own world. He does not wamt anything to do woth the coin in all seriousness even if he was the one who made it, let's just respect the man's decision and go on with ourselves, and probably invest this amount of energy in something more productive.

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December 03, 2020, 07:43:47 AM
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This kind of story is really important for the history of Satoshi Nakamoto, but there we may still not sure on the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, some may tell he/she is located in country of Japan.
I really admire these people who really doing research and have a time to study the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, kudos to them!

All of us are curious about Satoshi Nakamoto's real identity but it doesn't matter anymore right now.

It is not bad to feed your curiosity but you need to make sure that the information that you are making is reliable and not a false information.

Many people are claiming that they already found Satoshi and it all went wrong. It is hard to find someone who don't want to be found so focus on making bitcoin grow more and let him have a wonderful and peaceful life. I know that all of us want to thank him on making bitcoin but we also need to consider his privacy and safety.

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December 03, 2020, 09:04:46 AM
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Another speculation about Satoshi Nakamoto.

I read that news too, but I don't think much about that because that is still speculation if he lived in London or spoofs his living address in London. It could be another person in a group of Satoshi Nakamoto because we don't even know if he is one person or many people who work in one group. I respect what Satoshi did, and I think we should give him that privacy and if he wants to show himself to the public, he will come to us and admit that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto and proving that he is the real person.

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December 03, 2020, 09:13:11 AM
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This kind of story is really important for the history of Satoshi Nakamoto, but there we may still not sure on the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, some may tell he/she is located in country of Japan.
I really admire these people who really doing research and have a time to study the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, kudos to them!

Some conclude that he lives in japan because his name symbolize of a Japanese name so many assume that he/she is a Japanese nationality, but since there's no proof about the identity and can't locate the accurate foot track of satoshi nakamoto maybe this will became a mystery which still not solve or found for the long time period. I don't know what's the reason on why he's still hiding but maybe he's protecting his own identity but let's hope he will show up in future since this will be the biggest and most historical event in crypto scene.

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December 03, 2020, 09:57:11 AM
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I'm really not sure whether the information about Satoshi Nakamoto is as accurate as you mentioned. But he is still an unknown number that people still have to remind and remember about him.In Football people will remember Maradona and in the crypto market people will remember him no matter what he is doing now and where he lives. Grin
Satoshi Nakamoto for bitcoin is more important than Maradona to football, Satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of the crypto market and the cryptocurrency market is a formidable opponent of the old financial market.
I respect Satoshi Nakamoto's decision to remain anonymous, but if possible I still want to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is and what kind of person.


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Is Satoshi Nakamoto Mike Hearn?
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There are many coincidences involving a Mike Hearn and Satoshi Nakamoto connection.   Though many of you will automatically reject the notion because you dislike Mike Hearn, I would suggest you at least entertain the idea’s possibility. I have seen Mike Hearn on the long list of “Satoshi candidates” posted on bitcointalk but I have never seen anyone explore the idea.

Besides Mike being British and Satoshi using British English my first inclination to even consider Mike Hearn as being Satoshi Nakamoto was that Mike’s bitcointalk.org profile was created 1 day after Satoshi last logged in to the forum.

Satoshi’s profile:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3
Mike’s profile:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2700

Mike’s bitcointalk presence began 1 day 53 minutes and 13 seconds after Satoshi’s bitcointalk presence ended. Almost exactly 1 day separating their profiles seemed odd to me especially considering the impact Mike had in development later on.
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Why would Satoshi Nakamoto hide his real identity?

The people who created the precursors to Bitcoin were not anonymous. Satoshi even referenced multiple influences by name in his whitepaper like Wei Dai, Ralph Merkle, and Adam Back. So why did the person behind Satoshi feel the need to remain anonymous? There doesn’t seem to be any precedent in the small niche of people who attempted to make digital/electronic cash. A lot of people are constantly regurgitating the idea that Satoshi knew how big Bitcoin would become and that Governments or nefarious people would want to hunt him down for his bitcoin holdings or for simply inventing bitcoin.
In reality, Satoshi didn’t even know if his invention would gain traction. Satoshi didn’t know he would be one of a handful of users running bitcoin in the first year which would allow him to mine as many blocks as he did. Satoshi didn’t know how much bitcoin would actually be worth.

So I think the better question is why would Mike Hearn hide is identity?

Mike Hearn in mid August 2006 was hired on by Google as a Site Reliability Engineer (http://web.archive.org/web/20090514053312/http://mikehearn.wordpress.com:80/2006/08/)

Why would an employee of Google secretly develop something? Well, Google themselves sum it up pretty nicely here: “As part of your employment agreement, Google most likely owns intellectual property (IP) you create while at the company. Because Google’s business interests are so wide and varied, this likely applies to any personal project you have. That includes new development on personal projects you created prior to employment at Google.“ (https://opensource.google.com/docs/iarc/ )

Here Mike was indeed fully aware of Google’s policy when he released bitcoinj as a Google copyrighted project under the Apache 2 license: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4236.msg61438#msg61438
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4236.msg61658#msg61658

Then here he is emailing Satoshi (himself Wink) a few hours after the bitcointalk announcement:
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From: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:13 PM
To: Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
 
 
Hi Satoshi,
 
I hope you are doing well. I finally got all the lawyers happy enough
to release BitCoinJ under the Google name using the Apache 2 license:
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https://pastebin.com/JF3USKFT

I have no idea how long it takes Google to vet an employee project and license it, but combine that with building bitcoinj and doing that all under 3 months seems fast. What do I know, maybe bitcoinj was a pretty simple project.

I wonder what Google would have done with Bitcoin had Satoshi been an employee of Google?

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Mike claiming he supposedly “coined the term SPV”.  Or, did he?
Here is Peter Todd https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/649413412158599168 and here is the reddit thread to go along with it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3n1ydp/peter_todd_on_twitter_mike_hearn_claiming_he/

The term “SPV” does not appear in the whitepaper but its meaning does. Simplified Payment Verification is section 8 of the whitepaper.  Did Mike slip and just inadvertently hint to him being the real Satoshi? Upon further investigation Mike had claimed months earlier that he coined the term “SPV wallet”.  https://medium.com/@octskyward/the-capacity-cliff-586d1bf7715e So he could have meant to say SPV wallet when Peter Todd was calling him out or maybe he did mean to say just “SPV”. Still not the smoking gun but interesting that he would throw that around knowing full well that Simplified Payment Verification was in the Whitepaper.

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[After writing this up, Mike just released all his private Satoshi Emails through a user named CipherionX. Mike did show up in a reddit thread to confirm that they came from him and are indeed not fake. Bitcointalk link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080206.0
Reddit link to Mike’s post: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6t2ci2/never_before_seen_mike_hearn_satoshi_nakamoto/dliizv6/ ]
It is very plausible that in order to remain separate from something, that someone would in fact have email conversations between himself and an alias as “proof” that they are completely different independent people. Of course this would only make sense if the emails were made public at some point. Well guess what?  Mike just made them public and Mike also attempted to divulge them to Charles Hoskinson in 2013 who did not release them to the public.

If the dates can be trusted, Mike’s email leak serves as proof that he was there early on even if he was corresponding with himself Wink Besides the new email dump the only known public involvement that I could find was here on the sourceforge forum in October 2009: https://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-list/thread/f4cd80640910240804m64ba45f1g216905fc9db16a2%40mail.gmail.com/#msg23827020

Why did Mike not use Sourceforge as he posted openly so frequently in other project lists or forums? Are there posts that I haven’t seen from early on?


Mike did produce an email he sent to Satoshi In April of 2009 here in this thread: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/ which does correspond with the new email dump.  An interesting thing I noticed in the above link is that Mike stated,
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Fun. Here's mine, 12th April 2009. Back then the only documentation was the white paper and hardly anyone had explored the code, so a lot of my questions were very newbie-ish. Also I capitalized Bitcoin wrong.
But Mike continued to capitalize Bitcoin as BitCoin not just in that email but until May 14, 2011. Why is that interesting? Well, every thread and post he responded to that mentioned the word bitcoin didn’t capitalize the “C” ever. It would seem like he was almost doing it on purpose to show what a noob he was to the project. Oh then he of course points out the fact that he was a newbie for capitalizing bitcoin that way. It is odd that he continued to use that spelling without regard to how everyone else was spelling it and then later direct people’s attention to the fact that he use to spell it that way early on.
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Also, what is odd about Mike’s involvement early on is that it doesn’t really parallel with his natural online demeanor. He is very vocal and has an involved online presence yet he just really isn’t vocal during the early stages of Bitcoin. Even his personal blog posts came to a halt in early 2009. https://web.archive.org/web/20111130084418/http://mikehearn.wordpress.com:80/ For someone who is  generally very active online before Bitcoin and then after Satoshi’s disappearence, I find it peculiar that there is a dead silence period from Mike Hearn while Satoshi existed online.
Mike went Facebook silent from July 23, 2007 to March 8, 2011 which also coincides with Satoshi’s existence and pre-release development of Bitcoin. https://www.facebook.com/i.am.the.real.mike?lst=662933243%3A61203304%3A1502324015

The next step in my exploration of this idea was to create a calendar of time periods where Satoshi was silent on the forums. For example, Satoshi was silent on the forum from March 24, 2010 until May 16, 2010. I am guessing this is a period when Satoshi was away from his home travelling or vacationing. I was wanting to then correspond them with known dates when Mike was on vacations or at a conference, but as I stated above MIke wasn’t very public during Satoshi’s presence. If anyone knows of any of the potential Satoshis that were vacationing, hospitalized (Hal?), or travelling during that March to May gap in 2010, it would be a good link to the real Satoshi.

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Hal Finney was also involved at the start only to leave and eventually return. He came back a month before Satoshi departed though.  Hal was the recipient of bitcoins first transaction and helped Satoshi troubleshoot early problems [Suspicious link removed]j.com/public/resources/documents/finneynakamotoemails.pdf

Their correspondence lead me to believe that Satoshi may have had either a rapport or at the least some familiarity with Hal. I decided to search Mike Hearn and Hal Finney together which turned up a nice find. Here, https://sourceforge.net/p/tboot/mailman/tboot-devel/?style=threaded&viewmonth=200807 Mike and Hal are talking about Trusted Computing back in July 2008, just months before the bitcoin whitepaper surfaced. Unfortunately I don’t quite fully understand Trusted Computing and the reason Mike Hearn was inquiring about a trusted web browser or how it would relate to Bitcoin,
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- I'd like to launch Firefox in a protected domain and have it usable for
surfing the web. My vague, poorly thought out plan was to let the user pick
a photo from a library as proof of the trusted path, then show it in a tab
at startup. Once you saw the personal photo, you'd know you were interacting
with a copy of the browser that'd be safe to use even on a malware-riddled
machine.
However, I did also find this thread from Mike Hearn that Hal Finney later resurrected about TC: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67508.0 And even more interesting, Hal Finney later wrote in his brief memoir of bitcoin, “Bitcoin and Me”, posted on the bitcointalk forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0)  that he was currently “working on something Mike Hearn suggested, using the security features of modern processors, designed to support "Trusted Computing", to harden Bitcoin wallets.” Was Mike Hearn originally researching a use for trusted computing in Bitcoin but never implemented it only to later pass it on to Hal FInney as a “suggestion”?  Mike on Google+ posted a link to Hal’s TC project when he learned Hal passed away and linked to Hal’s post on BTCtalk (https://plus.google.com/+MikeHearn ; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154290.0 )

So,

here is Satoshi stating he started working on bitcoin in 2007 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1617#msg1617,
here Satoshi said he was done writing Bitcoin by July 2008 because that is when Google protocol buffers was made public”I looked at Google protocol buffers when they were released last year, but I had already written everything by then.” https://pastebin.com/Na5FwkQ4
and then above Mike Hearn in July 2008 is seeking guidance from Hal about trusted computing and then Hal working on trusted computing application on the suggestion of Mike for bitcoin. Ok why? Well bitcoin was done by July 2007 when Mike was inquiring about TC and Hal was working on a TC application later, meaning that TC has some application not related to the core of bitcoin but rather to a peripheral of bitcoin.
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[Weak] Searching for more clues about Satoshi I came across a colloquial/slang term that he used. “Hack on” was used by Satoshi in the context of “work on”. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1034.msg13206#msg13206
I found multiple instances where Mike Hearn used the same exact term in the same context: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-April/007779.html
http://bitcoin-development.narkive.com/hczWIAby/bitcoin-development-cartographer
https://web.archive.org/web/20170628004052/http://www.advogato.org/person/mikehearn/
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2003-March/msg00031.html
I do admit the “hack on” argument is lame evidence as it is somewhat common term. However, not everyone used it in that context (like Hal Finney didn’t) and it does add to the list of coincidences.
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[Warning: Reaching] Another super weak semi-coincidence is Mike Hearns birthday. Mike’s birthday is April 17th, 1984. Satoshi’s birthday was chosen as April 5th, 1975. I don’t know about you, but a lot of times when I have to enter a birthday in a service where I don’t want them knowing the truth, I usually always use my real birth month with fake day and year. [More reaching] adding 1975’s digits equal adding 1984’s digits/ 7+5=12 and 8+4=12.

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According to Mike Hearn, Satoshi “communicated with a few of the core developers before leaving. He told myself and Gavin that he had moved on to other things and that the project was in good hands.“ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145850.msg1558053#msg1558053 This is also backed up by the new email release here:
https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET   
Mike- “I had a few other things on my mind (as always). One is, are you planning on rejoining the community at some point (eg for code reviews), or is your plan to permanently step back from the limelight?”
Satoshi- “I've moved on to other things.  It's in good hands with Gavin and everyone.”
The above communication is supposedly the first time anyone heard that Satoshi was leaving for good and it was none other than Mike Hearn as the recipient. Then a few days later Satoshi told Gavin the same thing.

None of these things points or alludes to Mike being Satoshi by themselves. But I do think that all these things together do paint a possible connection. Mike denied being Satoshi when I emailed him and also didn’t seem to care that I would post these things online attempting to connect him to Satoshi.

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December 11, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
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I'm really not sure whether the information about Satoshi Nakamoto is as accurate as you mentioned. But he is still an unknown number that people still have to remind and remember about him.In Football people will remember Maradona and in the crypto market people will remember him no matter what he is doing now and where he lives. Grin
Up-til now there has be no concrete information about this Satoshi Nakamoto the creator of the most famous digital currency. But that doesn't matter to him/her becasue the last message he/she gave clearly shown that nothing should be more important than his sacrifice to humanity, both his or her identity shouldn't be, so, why still digging into his/her were about, when him/her wanted them secret?. As far as am concern, non of this aforementioned information are true. 
As long as the goal is only to commemorate and give appreciation it is actually okay even though maybe the goal he wants just doesn't want to be known and becomes a memory of humanity. Naturally, if there is a new discovery, of course people want to know more clearly and even the citizens of the country whose country they live in want to be more memorable, of course, of course.

So if you conclude this there will be two conclusions and that is inevitable, once again as long as the goal is kindness and to reminisce even though he himself doesn't want to, I think it doesn't matter. This is just my opinion and maybe there are those who don't like this opinion, that's why I said from the start there will be two different sides.
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December 11, 2020, 04:25:23 PM
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Another 'in depth' research' about Satoshis whereabouts. Not that it matters too much, but still interesting...

https://chainbulletin.com/satoshi-nakamoto-lived-in-london-while-working-on-bitcoin-heres-how-we-know/

We might never know who is Satoshi, but bitcoins have to be thankful to him. Before "him" there were some similar payment system ideas but they could not be realized. So with the initiative of Nakamoto and with the support of Bitcoiners the system works and works quite well.

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December 11, 2020, 06:12:21 PM
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I’m not sure Satoshi is interested in these because if want you to know his address. He will willingly let’s the public know so it obvious he doesn’t want you to know his address so you should channel more energy in bringing positive contributions to these bitcoin community. These guy don’t want you to know his address so forget it because he not ever going to disclose it.

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December 26, 2020, 05:47:33 AM
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Satoshi Nakamoto is just an alias and who knows he maybe a Caucasian an African American and most of us believed an Asian and also have an interest in figure skating and hockey maybe his in Canada when writing some of the codes and sometimes in japan will never know, one thing is for sure he created something that disrupt financial industry for years to come.
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