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November 27, 2020, 01:38:16 AM
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A lot of places where I regularly spend bitcoin (both online and in person) give discounts for purchasing with bitcoin as opposed to a credit card, often in the region of 5%, but some up to even 10%, which is not insignificant and vastly outweighs any cashback or rewards I might get if I used a credit card instead, even after you factor in that I pay the transaction fee with bitcoin, as opposed to the merchant paying the transaction fee with a credit card.

Do they give the same discounts for fiat purchases? If not, then they're probably enthusiasts who would be willing to take less profit just to see Bitcoin usage. IIRC credit card companies charge somewhere in the ballpark of 2%~4%, so they shouldn't be saving as much as 10% by not paying credit card fees.

To be clear though, this is a great thing, and is just the kind of incentive that can spur actual usage. Sure it's not as straightforward as swiping a card, but if it's easier on the pockets, it will always be a legitimate consideration.

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November 27, 2020, 09:14:26 AM
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So why I can pay my visa / mastercard instantly.
But Bitcoin is not instant.?

You can pay instantly, but the money isn't received instantly. In fact, the transaction is not finalized for months because of the possibility of a chargeback. At least with Bitcoin, the transaction can be considered finalized after the first confirmation.

Typically, the credit card payee is willing to take the risk of not actually receiving the money. Bitcoin is no different -- the receiver can take the risk of accepting an unconfirmed transaction.

In short, both can be instant, but Bitcoin transactions are finalized more quickly.

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November 27, 2020, 10:27:29 AM
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Because, when you send the money using the CC to someone, the request will go into the bank, after that this should get confirmed by the banks and government or other organization and then they will send the money to the destination. Of curse, all the banks, organizations, governments will not work for free. They take some money as transaction fee, sometimes directly and sometime not directly. We call banks, government, etc... as third part object, this how a centralized systems looks like because in any transaction the third can control or monitor your transaction.
But of curse, due to the banking network system speed (they usually use internal networks and call it intranet) people will think the transaction are very fast.
Most people wont care about any of this that you wrote. I am not saying that they shouldn't care, but that is just how it is. Credit card transactions have fees, but so does Bitcoin. From the perspective of a user who wants to send/receive money from Point A to Point B, he won't care where the fees go to. Whether or not a central entity or a decentralized one takes his fees, wont matter to most people. They will only care how much it will cost them and how convenient and fast the service is. A $100 international CC transaction will always have the same fees. With Bitcoin, those fees will depend on the address types, inputs/outputs, used sat/vbyte fee range. A $100 bitcoin transaction can cost $0.06 one time, $0.20 the other time, and $10 the third time. When the average spender sees this, especially those with not so deep pockets, he won't care about privacy and third parties.   

But still, if you want your transaction to be instant you can put enough transaction fee and make it instantly done.
Faster confirmations require more fees = more expensive transactions.

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November 27, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
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So why I can pay my visa / mastercard instantly.
But Bitcoin is not instant.?


Bitcoin transaction is fast but not as fast as mastercard payments I guess, if you want a faster transaction response on bitcoin blockchain you need to have more fees available, the higher the gas fee the faster the transaction speed, If you aren't satisfied then other altcoins are the only option left, they have faster transaction speed e.g XRP, BCH and other

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November 28, 2020, 01:19:00 AM
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Do they give the same discounts for fiat purchases?
Most of the in person ones do for cash payments, yeah. But these are largely all small independent or family run businesses. I imagine such behavior would be much rare ewith large corporations. Obviously the online ones don't accept cash payments.

so they shouldn't be saving as much as 10% by not paying credit card fees.
Absolutely. But I'm certainly not going to turn it down. Tongue I suppose if they would have used some of the fiat to deposit on an exchange, pay fees to buy bitcoin, and pay fees to withdraw it (on top of credit card fees), then 10% isn't quite so crazy.

If you aren't satisfied then other altcoins are the only option left, they have faster transaction speed e.g XRP, BCH and other
The reason most altcoins are faster are generally down to two things. Firstly, nobody uses them, so their mempools are empty. Secondly, they are incredibly insecure. Most altcoins have been successfully 51% attacked. It takes days or weeks and hundreds or thousands of confirmations for the same security bitcoin reaches in under an hour.
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January 25, 2021, 03:17:41 PM
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The answer is really simple mate..because visa/mastercards are all centralized while bitcoin is decentralized I hope you already know what it means centralized transactions did not pass through called blockchains or ledger its totally instant but vulnerable to attack but bitcoin transactions mined by miners before completing transactions in a very secured system called blockchain.   

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September 29, 2021, 10:24:01 PM
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Would you be able to send cash worldwide without settling charges and profoundly expense with MasterCard?, obviously NO.
Just bitcoin has the capacity to settle cash without taxes and different charges.
You should look at a few favorable circumstances as well it's better to wait for a moment than paying extra taxes to the government.
Bitcoin transactions are instant but the fact is they're slow to confirm it.
In case you're in rush you can go with the Credit card yet its better to utilize bitcoin and hang tight for conformation
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