The Kracken!

[mindrust]

Why can't they use a blockchain? A transparent public ledger would solve all those trust issues.

The only way to trick a blockchain is issuing fake id's and that could be proved easily.

It is a more reliable way to do it imo.

But then, nobody is really interested in being honest anyway. If they were, they wouldn't have left the gold standard in the first place.

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[BADecker]

Look into this.

The Constitution sets in place no courts other than common law courts. Other courts are considered to be inferior courts.

Any court that is an inferior court, has to have all parties agree that they accept it is such. Any party who wants a common law court of record MUST object to the inferior court, to get it changed to a common law court of record.

Common law courts are for people who want to contest other people. They are not for representation where somebody can be represented by his attorney, etc. If all the parties in a common law court agree to representation, only then can representation be done. But this takes it out of common law and into an inferior court setting.

In a common law court of record, the judge/magistrate has to be silent outside of being a simple referee so that the court has order. If he tries to insist on the parties following certain laws/rules outside of simple order (often according to Robert's Rules), he can be required to provide the "finding of facts and conclusions of law" that he bases his authority on to do this. Remember, the Constitution is basic in all of it.

A judge who can't or won't provide the "finding of facts and conclusions of law" that he bases his authority on, if he maintains his usurpation of the common law court of record, he can be fined for Contempt of Court. Note that if a judge is filed against, or added as the defendant on a suit in progress, he will be investigated by the government in his state, or the federal government, and may not continue as judge until after his "trial," and will lose his tenure if found guilty (and might lose it if not found innocent).

The point? If anybody doesn't want to get the election results thrown out, he has to file for damages in a common law court of record. Why? The Supreme Court MUST throw out all cases from inferior courts. The election process is a Constitution thing. So, the court must proceed under the common law to abide within the Constitution.

The important things pertaining to this are:
1. File at Federal District Court (as opposed to the United States District Court), with the United States District Court Clerk of the Court, at the filing office for the United States District Court;
2. Make sure your case cover letter stipulate that you are filing for adjudication at the common law court of record, and that any other court (inferior court) is a mistake (no matter who makes that mistake), and must be corrected by moving to a common law court of record;
3. Have a list of damages, and threats against your person, as the reason for filing. Remember, you are part of the Republic, and going against the Constitution by any group is threatening your security;
4. Only men/women may file against men/women in common law. So make sure that you have a list of humans who have done you wrong ("Wrong/wrongdoer" are the strongest words in a common law claim.), plus evidence and witnesses;
5. You must have 3 people filing together. All 3 of you must state within your claim that you file, that you ARE (NOT are acting as) the tribunal for this claim. All 3 of you must witness for each other. All three of you must sign it.

If you are smart, you will consult several knowledgeable attorneys and Constitutional lawyers (who will likely not know what you are doing until you point it out to them) about this. Why consult them, if they don't know? Because they will be able to give you pointers... but don't let their pointers drag you into an inferior court. Keep your wits about you.

If you have more than one major point (wrongdoing) for getting the election thrown out, file each one in a separate case. Why? If one case gets thrown out, you have others. They won't all go down together like they would if they were filed in one claim.

You must file for damages. Make it anything you feel is right, and stick by it... say, $10 billion, each of you.

When Al Gore took his case against Bush to the Supreme Court, Justice Scalia told them why the SC threw it out. The reason? Gore didn't bring even one man or woman into court who identified his vote, and said it was done wrong. You have to have one human, but having three filing as the Tribunal, in Federal District Court, using the right words, is powerful.

[Tzupy]

BREAKING: Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Refuses to Comply With Subpoenas to Turn Over Dominion Voting Machines for Audit (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-maricopa-county-board-supervisors-refuses-comply-subpoenas-turn-dominion-voting-machines-audit-video/
MI Sec of State Official Caught On Video Telling Volunteers To Count “Multiple Ballots with the very Same Signature” During “Audit” Of Votes In Antrim County
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mi-sec-state-official-caught-video-telling-volunteers-count-multiple-ballots-signature-audit-votes-antrim-county/

[TwitchySeal]

BREAKING: Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Refuses to Comply With Subpoenas to Turn Over Dominion Voting Machines for Audit (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-maricopa-county-board-supervisors-refuses-comply-subpoenas-turn-dominion-voting-machines-audit-video/

The subpoenas included digital images of every mail in ballot which is obviously a violation of voters privacy.  So they are challenging the subpoena in court.

MI Sec of State Official Caught On Video Telling Volunteers To Count “Multiple Ballots with the very Same Signature” During “Audit” Of Votes In Antrim County
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mi-sec-state-official-caught-video-telling-volunteers-count-multiple-ballots-signature-audit-votes-antrim-county/

Seems like they were counting all the ballots, including the ones that didn't 'count' from the 'spoiled pile', because they wanted to know how many ballots there were total, accepted + rejected, in case they were later challenged.  Seems pretty normal for a recount.

You actually falling for all this stuff?

[Gyfts]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/gop-legal-war-absentee-voting-georgia-runoffs-447266

For the record, I think mail in ballots is a joke, so yes, I am bias.

BUT - Republicans are pushing hard to limit mail in voting by filing lawsuits. I hope they are successful. If you are legitimately sick, in service overseas, then yes, you should be able to vote by mail. It's different by state, but I'm sure that's the case in Georgia.

COVID is not an excuse for universal mail in voting. If you can go to the grocery store, you can vote. If you can go to the liquor store, you can go vote.

If you take all politics out the equation and agree that more voters = better representation = successful democracy then I think it really does come down to the ratio of [how many more people will vote] : [how many more fraudulent ballots will be cast]

It's not as simple as 'we shouldn't have universal mail in voting bc fraud'.  The fact that there will be millions fewer voters should weigh heavily when forming an opinion and it seems like most people don't even consider that because it's not like the people who would've voted by mail but couldn't and didn't vote in person for whatever reason will ever complain.  But their voices should count the same as yours  At least imo.

And all this is coming from a born and raised republican that has not even considered thinking like this till the past couple years.  I guess i'm a former Repulican really with how things are now.  Weird feeling.

I am for more voters that actually go down the polls and vote. Mail in ballots cause people who would never vote in the first place to vote based on what they saw on CNN. It's easy to coerce someone through mail in voting. 

[TwitchySeal]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/gop-legal-war-absentee-voting-georgia-runoffs-447266

For the record, I think mail in ballots is a joke, so yes, I am bias.

BUT - Republicans are pushing hard to limit mail in voting by filing lawsuits. I hope they are successful. If you are legitimately sick, in service overseas, then yes, you should be able to vote by mail. It's different by state, but I'm sure that's the case in Georgia.

COVID is not an excuse for universal mail in voting. If you can go to the grocery store, you can vote. If you can go to the liquor store, you can go vote.

If you take all politics out the equation and agree that more voters = better representation = successful democracy then I think it really does come down to the ratio of [how many more people will vote] : [how many more fraudulent ballots will be cast]

It's not as simple as 'we shouldn't have universal mail in voting bc fraud'.  The fact that there will be millions fewer voters should weigh heavily when forming an opinion and it seems like most people don't even consider that because it's not like the people who would've voted by mail but couldn't and didn't vote in person for whatever reason will ever complain.  But their voices should count the same as yours  At least imo.

And all this is coming from a born and raised republican that has not even considered thinking like this till the past couple years.  I guess i'm a former Repulican really with how things are now.  Weird feeling.

I am for more voters that actually go down the polls and vote. Mail in ballots cause people who would never vote in the first place to vote based on what they saw on CNN. It's easy to coerce someone through mail in voting. 

Try looking at it objectively, without any consideration for how it affects any political party.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump floated appointing Sidney Powell, lawyer who promoted conspiracy theories, as special counsel on voter fraud

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-floated-appointing-special-counsel-who-promoted-conspiracy-theories/

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Mr. Trump tweeted on November 14 that Powell was part of his "truly great team" filing legal challenges to challenge the election results. Trump campaign attorney Rudy Giuliani also identified her as a member of the legal team, and she appeared with him at a press conference to discuss the campaign's unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud.

Powell promoted a number of baseless conspiracy theories about the election, including that the deceased Hugo Chávez, among others, had rigged the election against Mr. Trump by programming voting machines to switch votes for the president to President-elect Joe Biden. Powell's claims were viewed as far fetched even by typical allies of the president. Fox News host Tucker Carlson said she refused to provide him with any evidence of her claims about vote switching.
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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1340363388988354570

During the meeting, the president asked about Flynn’s suggestion of deploying the military, those briefed said. That was also shot down.

wouldn't it be fun if Rudy got to be AG for 3 weeks? He's actually qualified.

[Gyfts]

Try looking at it objectively, without any consideration for how it affects any political party.

Even objectively the idea my belief is that you should go down to the polls, ID in hand, and vote for whoever you want to vote for. I don't like the idea of mail in ballots, because it's one step away from online voting.

[Quickseller]

Theoretically, the Republicans could still take it on the 6^th by throwing out some states as "irregular". The House votes weirdly in this process, so the Republicans would control both chambers here. They'd have to all stick together, though: only a few Republican defections could be tolerated. McConnell is apparently completely against the idea, so unless this reporting is wrong and even most centrist Republicans like Romney and Collins can be persuaded to pretty transparently steal this election, it seems dead in the water.

(I would love to see it, though. Can you imagine the utter chaos? I think that it'd hold up in court, too.)

The lawsuits were a bit ridiculous and I think the extreme far right Trump base with the IQ of a peanut legitimately believes there was magnitudes of fraud that stretch hundreds of thousands of votes. Just isn't enough evidence. On the other hand, it was hilarious watching the far left (and the media) have a melt down over "democracy dying" when Trump literally followed the law in contesting the results by letting the legal process play out. For some weird reason, democrats seem more concerned about Trump and contested election results more so than a rabid media that managed to fool Americans that Trump is responsible for COVID, that he said it was a hoax, that he's a racist, that a vaccine at the end of the year was impossible, so on. But why be concerned when it helps, right?

Both sides are interested in winning, not in truth or the rule of law. In an amusingly parallel situation, in Iowa a Republican was certified as the winner by a narrow margin, and instead of going through the proper court appeals process under Iowa law, the Democratic challenger is going to the House to try to have it overturned. If anyone expects Pelosi's House to treat this fairly and objectively, especially when she has only a few-vote majority, then I have a bridge to sell you...

It's kind of disturbing that many Trump supporters actually believe that there was fraud on such a wide scale, or that many Democrats honestly believed that Trump was literally on Putin's payroll, etc. There are too many people out there living in their own bubbles instead of in reality.

Pelosi awarding the house seat in Iowa to a democrat on January 3 would give cover to Republicans to vote for Trump on January 6. The GA special election is the day before, and if there are additional allegations of irregularities, there will be more cover for Republicans to vote for Trump.

[BADecker]

The Kraken is moving into operation. The Nashville rocket attack by the military against the CIA hub was a start. Here comes the declassification of Biden corruption and much, much more - https://thecommonsenseshow.com/activism-conspiracy-health/declassification-coming.

[sirazimuth]

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What a brilliant post.

OK brown noser

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Of course those in power seldom seek the truth or action what would be objectively fair.
People especially types that tend to end up with any significant power are able to rationalize their undeniable bias and unfair standards or double standards for their own or their friends advantage. The independently verifiable truths are often either ignored or rejected.

Are we projecting here?

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It will not matter which shall win in this scenario as only the illusion of choice on the real game changing matters exists. The inexorable outcome for the vast majority is the same.

Agreed

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The supreme court should have heard the case and then crushed it if it lacked bite.

it lacked bite, they knew it, and didnt bother

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That's the thing though transparent independently verifiable analysis is not welcome.

Yes it is, its why all this voter fraud nonsense came to nothing

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Now you'll have a scenario where many will believe what suits them which wouldn't be possible if there were to be a conclusive public debunking.

There was conclusive public debunking.

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I start to favor a good dictatorship over this democratic charade. Of course depending on the dictator.

Move to North Korea then.

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. A dictator is more of a benign matter. ...

See above

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I don't see this being overturned now.

You are very observant

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Which is bad because Trump was way less sickly and I feel free speech was something that would suffer slightly less. The grab them by the pussy rather than pretend you want to hear all their problems and are really interested in them on a personal level with a view to supporting them forever approach is a certain type of honesty that one can appreciate is not optimal but certainly an improvement over sly and devious game.

The kraken better get cracking time is all but at an end. I guess the result is irrelevant to most long term.

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Hey Spendy!! Miss you bro!!

[BADecker]

Hey Spendy!! Miss you bro!!

Thanks for the picture of Spendy, or is that you?       

[Gyfts]

Because this thread is about Georgia, I figured I'd post this here...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html


So apparently this is actually a big deal? I first read this and thought this sounds like what he basically tweets about in public, but this is blowing up. He asks the Georgia SoS to overturn the election results by finding 11k votes which is the margin he needs to win the state.

However, I'm not seeing where he requests anything illegal if the premise Trump starts with is that the election was rigged. If you think the vote tallies were not properly tabulated, you are under the belief that you are missing votes and those votes should be found. He has tweeted about this using different words.

[suchmoon]

However, I'm not seeing where he requests anything illegal if the premise Trump starts with is that the election was rigged. If you think the vote tallies were not properly tabulated, you are under the belief that you are missing votes and those votes should be found. He has tweeted about this using different words.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to rob a bank even if you start with a (made up, unsupported by any facts) premise that the money belongs to you.

[Tzupy]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/huge-trump-drops-bomb-phone-call-tells-raffensperger-vote-scammer-hustler-ruby-freeman-behind-18000-fraudulent-votes-suitcase-scandal-video/

[TwitchySeal]

At least the Democrats and Republicans are finally on the same page about somethin (ted cruz & co. loletter...I know)

[PrimeNumber7]

Trump appears to be torpedoing any chance he will get reelected in 2024 and harming the chances Republicans will retains control of the Senate. Assuming of course the recording is real. In theory, it is possible a GAN was used to make it seam as if each of the respective voices were talking.

If Trump was not leaving office in two weeks, he would probably get impeached/removed from office over this. He will probably pardon everyone involved, but you really cannot defend this kind of behavior.

[Gyfts]

However, I'm not seeing where he requests anything illegal if the premise Trump starts with is that the election was rigged. If you think the vote tallies were not properly tabulated, you are under the belief that you are missing votes and those votes should be found. He has tweeted about this using different words.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to rob a bank even if you start with a (made up, unsupported by any facts) premise that the money belongs to you.

Ofc Trump is reaching at straws here. I just don't understand why this is a big deal.

Trump believes batshit insane conspiracy theories about dominion, voter fraud, whatever -- he asks the Georgia SoS to look at the allegations and find the votes he feels he's "owed" to make up the votes he's down. Is it stupid? Sure. Does it sound like Trump? Yep. Is democracy falling apart? No. Is this some sort of criminal offense? Nope. At best you get to call Trump a dumb fuck here or a sore loser. I somewhat agree with both.

Trump appears to be torpedoing any chance he will get reelected in 2024 and harming the chances Republicans will retains control of the Senate. Assuming of course the recording is real. In theory, it is possible a GAN was used to make it seam as if each of the respective voices were talking.

If Trump was not leaving office in two weeks, he would probably get impeached/removed from office over this. He will probably pardon everyone involved, but you really cannot defend this kind of behavior.

I've already come to peace with losing both GA seats so that isn't a big deal to me.

I don't think it's a good look. But Trump has openly called for votes being thrown so this is quite literally on par. Yes, quite the low bar.

[PrimeNumber7]

Trump appears to be torpedoing any chance he will get reelected in 2024 and harming the chances Republicans will retains control of the Senate. Assuming of course the recording is real. In theory, it is possible a GAN was used to make it seam as if each of the respective voices were talking.

If Trump was not leaving office in two weeks, he would probably get impeached/removed from office over this. He will probably pardon everyone involved, but you really cannot defend this kind of behavior.

I've already come to peace with losing both GA seats so that isn't a big deal to me.

I don't think it's a good look. But Trump has openly called for votes being thrown so this is quite literally on par. Yes, quite the low bar.

At this point, Trump does not have the political capital to get the 2020 Presidential election thrown out via Congress.

I don't see why Trump is trying to get the election results overturned via Congress. This will only hurt Republicans in 2022, and in the GA special election in two days. Losing the special election risks legislation that will stack the cards against Republicans forever, preventing them from ever winning the Presidency again, will make it more difficult to win close House/Senate seats in the future, and will give Democrats a 4 seat advantage in the Senate. It will also likely result in a stacked Supreme Court, which could ignore any Pardon Trump gives himself/his family, and could result in Trump having to go to prison for political reasons.

Overall, Trump is being stupid.

[Gyfts]

Trump appears to be torpedoing any chance he will get reelected in 2024 and harming the chances Republicans will retains control of the Senate. Assuming of course the recording is real. In theory, it is possible a GAN was used to make it seam as if each of the respective voices were talking.

If Trump was not leaving office in two weeks, he would probably get impeached/removed from office over this. He will probably pardon everyone involved, but you really cannot defend this kind of behavior.

I've already come to peace with losing both GA seats so that isn't a big deal to me.

I don't think it's a good look. But Trump has openly called for votes being thrown so this is quite literally on par. Yes, quite the low bar.

At this point, Trump does not have the political capital to get the 2020 Presidential election thrown out via Congress.

I don't see why Trump is trying to get the election results overturned via Congress. This will only hurt Republicans in 2022, and in the GA special election in two days. Losing the special election risks legislation that will stack the cards against Republicans forever, preventing them from ever winning the Presidency again, will make it more difficult to win close House/Senate seats in the future, and will give Democrats a 4 seat advantage in the Senate. It will also likely result in a stacked Supreme Court, which could ignore any Pardon Trump gives himself/his family, and could result in Trump having to go to prison for political reasons.

Overall, Trump is being stupid.

Why would Trump go to prison? I think democrats will forget about him the moment he is out of office as he drifts into irrelevancy. I like to think of it like the time Trump promised a special prosecutor for Hillary Clinton. The moment he won, he dropped the act really quick.

I think democrats will do the same. They'll say mean things on twitter about Trump, promising to throw him in jail to rile up their rabid follower base, and then when there is no political points to gain for attacking Trump because he's out of office, they'll move on with their lives.