4 posts deleted - THANKYOU ???

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't think it's particularly fair to remove posts that express gratitude but perhaps giving a merit would be better.

I agree, although some members might not have merits to give.

Just writing "Thanks" or a short phrase to express gratitude is pretty much the same thing as "nice project" or "joined" or any of those types of posts which are banned in the altcoin section.  But I'm not sure a thank you should automatically be deleted or even reported, because it's not quite as spammy as those other phrases I listed above. 

In any case, OP, if you want to thank someone in a post (and I hate to even suggest this), perhaps try padding the post a little bit with more content.  At least then it's not likely to get reported and deleted.  And yes, moderation here is strict as far as low-value posts go.

[Upgrade00]

In this case the PM option can be used if all you wish to do is 'thank' the op. Imo, adding fillers so as just to make the post look less low value is not necessary, especially if all you really want to do is appreciate the OP. Rather than writing 2 words using 50, just private message the user.

But merit should be given to high-quality posts and such posts are the exact opposite.

I believe@ranochigo meant the user meriting the original post they were appreciating, in place of the reply. And not merits to the seemingly low value (thank you) reply.

Just writing "Thanks" or a short phrase to express gratitude is pretty much the same thing as "nice project" or "joined" or any of those types of posts which are banned in the altcoin section.  But I'm not sure a thank you should automatically be deleted or even reported, because it's not quite as spammy as those other phrases I listed above.  

While context matters, I believe consistency should also matter in moderation. Such replies are probably deleted cause they require zero effort and can be used to bump a thread by shills and spammers. In this case that's not the intended purpose, but the mods may be trying to remain consistent in their actions, as the replies still require zero effort.

[Rizzrack]

So, yes, there is a difference between your mentioned newbie and another user from Collectibles board, especially inside a raffle topic. And the difference is huge: one wants to spam the forum, while the other is a polite person. This is the difference.

Don't compare apples with durian fruit. In the same board, same topic, same reply... almost no difference Although polite and well mannered... not a fan

[anonymousminer]

@mprep

Why is this bot being used to remove posts on self moderated threads?  Doesn't self moderated mean self moderated??

[mprep]

instead of using a bot to determine what gets deleted - why not actually look at the posts? the ones being deleted should not have been deleted... after all, you are paid for what you delete, right? should take the time to make sure it is correct and not just some flawed bot logic.

As I've mentioned in my previous post, I manually look through all posts the bot finds (twice actually; once in the bot itself and then on Bitcointalk) before I manually delete them (that is if they're actually against the rules).

I deleted lots of "thankyou" from newbies and don't see rank or type of signature making any difference.

Actually it does make a difference. And that is, a newbie saying "great project", "thank you for the great project" etc. is part of a group of spammers / shillers which are interested only in bumping an ANN. In Collectibles board, those expressing their gratitude for a free raffle are not shilling anything; are not spamming; are not forcing to bump the respective topic etc. They are simple people, which were part of a raffle and, being polite in their nature, are expressing their gratitude for being offered the chance to win something.

So, yes, there is a difference between your mentioned newbie and another user from Collectibles board, especially inside a raffle topic. And the difference is huge: one wants to spam the forum, while the other is a polite person. This is the difference.

The end result is similar - clutter. You're free to express gratitude as part of a larger post or through a PM.

@mprep

Why is this bot being used to remove posts on self moderated threads?  Doesn't self moderated mean self moderated??

The bot doesn't remove posts - see details on how it works at the start of this post. As for self-moderation, see my post SFR10 already quoted in this thread (emphasis added by me):

is it now an offence to be courteous in our own self-moderated threads?

Help me understand please, these were all deleted from my self-mod thread....

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See rule 1:

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.

You're free to be polite and thank other people in addition to providing something else of substance that would take the post out of the territory of "low value". Not sure why you mentioned the thread being self-moderated since that doesn't change the dynamic here. Self-moderation doesn't override or substitute the rules and standards according to which the forum is moderated by its staff - it's another layer of moderation where the user can also decide which posts can stay and which should be deleted (though he isn't bound by any rules or standards the forum staff are).

The Wall Observer thread is a partial exception to that rule though (try reporting any post on it to see the details of said exception).

[MoparMiningLLC]

You know what I am getting from this? Instead of being thankful and being concise and to the point - we should make our thank you posts full of bullshit and fluffy spam so that they don't get deleted....

in fact, some of the posts deleted are not even simple "thank you" posts - some are longer but simply start off with "thank you"

Collectibles is a bit different than the rest of the forums when it comes to someone saying thanks - now if it was someone who did not participate in the raffle - maybe that would be terms for deletion. But what was done here was stupidity - I see it simply as a means to ensure some lazy mod gets paid. And by lazy - I do not necessarily mean they do nothing but that that what they are doing is being done lazily - without actually understanding what is being done - simple "hey they said thank you - delete that fucking spam!" - is maybe suitable elsewhere on the forums but it is not that cut/dry here in collectibles.

And if they do not understand that - then they should not be moderating this area of the forums. Let them get paid for deleting spam elsewhere.

[hilariousetc]

In any case, OP, if you want to thank someone in a post (and I hate to even suggest this), perhaps try padding the post a little bit with more content.  At least then it's not likely to get reported and deleted.  And yes, moderation here is strict as far as low-value posts go.

This is even worse in my opinion and it's what we saw when campaigns started requiring minimum character counts on their posts. Users will just fluff their posts to meet the minimum making their posts even more unsubstantial and spammy when it should be analysed on the content of the post.

I see it simply as a means to ensure some lazy mod gets paid. And by lazy - I do not necessarily mean they do nothing but that that what they are doing is being done lazily - without actually understanding what is being done - simple "hey they said thank you - delete that fucking spam!" - is maybe suitable elsewhere on the forums but it is not that cut/dry here in collectibles.

And if they do not understand that - then they should not be moderating this area of the forums. Let them get paid for deleting spam elsewhere.

I doubt that this is the case. Staff aren't paid on a per deleted post basis and you could probably delete a thousand posts and it wouldn't make a difference to their pay. It's more about how many reports you handle and given that these weren't even reported then it's a moot point. There's more than enough reports to handle and staff really don't need to go looking for extra things to do. I agree that these sorts of thank you posts should probably be left alone though as they're not doing any harm. I don't think just giving them merit is ideal either. Not everyone has that much merit to go around but anyone could build up a lot of merit just by doing giveaways and I'm sure people do that already, but it would become more prevalent if merit became the common way to thank people for a giveaway. Maybe we need some sort of thank you button or something here instead.

@mprep

Why is this bot being used to remove posts on self moderated threads?  Doesn't self moderated mean self moderated??

A self-moderated thread wouldn't exclude it from being moderated by staff or abiding by the forum rules. Self-modded just means that the thread started can moderate it how they want and to be aware of that, but mods can and will enforce the rules there.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Don't compare apples with durian fruit.

It it you making this comparison, not I. I just stated that a newbie spamming with "great project" is not the same with a polite member of Collectibles board, expressing his gratitude for having the chance to participate inside a raffle.

Although polite and well mannered... not a fan

Well, that says it all, doesn't it?! It is good to know that you are not a fan of politeness. Thank God, many of us are still polite and appreciate politeness and kindness.

Just writing "Thanks" or a short phrase to express gratitude is pretty much the same thing as "nice project" or "joined" or any of those types of posts which are banned in the altcoin section.  But I'm not sure a thank you should automatically be deleted or even reported, because it's not quite as spammy as those other phrases I listed above.

Mbitr's posts, as it already posted them, and mine as well, were not just a "Thanks". They were short expressions, yes, but not a single word.

In any case, OP, if you want to thank someone in a post (and I hate to even suggest this), perhaps try padding the post a little bit with more content.  At least then it's not likely to get reported and deleted.  And yes, moderation here is strict as far as low-value posts go.

And if this would be a workaround, this would mean to actually spam somehow, in order to be allowed to say a thank you, which is exactly the opposite of what raffle participants intended. So this solution means the following:
- raffle participants which are polite thank to the raffle owners;
- their posts are deleted for being considered spam / zero value
- as a workaround, the participants would spam with more words for being able to hide a "thank you"

Makes sense? Lol.


In my case, one of the three deleted posts stated the following:

Wow, 9 winners! That's amazing!

Congrats to all of them and thank you OP for this huge and great raffle!

[Renampun]

Actually it does make a difference. And that is, a newbie saying "great project", "thank you for the great project" etc. is part of a group of spammers / shillers which are interested only in bumping an ANN. In Collectibles board, those expressing their gratitude for a free raffle are not shilling anything; are not spamming; are not forcing to bump the respective topic etc. They are simple people, which were part of a raffle and, being polite in their nature, are expressing their gratitude for being offered the chance to win something.

So, yes, there is a difference between your mentioned newbie and another user from Collectibles board, especially inside a raffle topic. And the difference is huge: one wants to spam the forum, while the other is a polite person. This is the difference.

true, there should be exceptions in 'which thread and who' the word 'thank you' can be pronounced freely...
A newbie who has just joined is certainly a spammer when he/she says the sentence 'thank you' in any thread. I think things like this should be given more attention because the conclusion I have drawn is that I have to make a long sentence for saying the word 'thank you' only. 

[skarais]

I don't think a post by saying only ''thank you'' ''Good Luck'' ''So Sad'' etc is looking good to see or has a good value. But if you really need thanks to others I think it's better to write some other things in a constructive way and later at the end of post ''thank you'' should be added. Or if nothing to say more without giving the thanks then simply sent merit it will act as ''thanks'' LOL

I just found out that only the word "thank you" can be considered a low-value post, regardless of the reason for saying it. But it doesn't seem like a big deal because we can write more words before thanking him. If it's just "thanks" and not have sMerit, just send PM. That's the solution.

[mprep]

You know what I am getting from this? Instead of being thankful and being concise and to the point - we should make our thank you posts full of bullshit and fluffy spam so that they don't get deleted....

in fact, some of the posts deleted are not even simple "thank you" posts - some are longer but simply start off with "thank you"

Collectibles is a bit different than the rest of the forums when it comes to someone saying thanks - now if it was someone who did not participate in the raffle - maybe that would be terms for deletion. But what was done here was stupidity - I see it simply as a means to ensure some lazy mod gets paid. And by lazy - I do not necessarily mean they do nothing but that that what they are doing is being done lazily - without actually understanding what is being done - simple "hey they said thank you - delete that fucking spam!" - is maybe suitable elsewhere on the forums but it is not that cut/dry here in collectibles.

And if they do not understand that - then they should not be moderating this area of the forums. Let them get paid for deleting spam elsewhere.

If you want the Collectibles board to have a special status, petition the administration for said status. Until such status is granted or at least til the administration instructs me to handle these cases differently, I'll treat it as any other board.

[LoyceV]

Maybe someone reported somebody else's thank you post and then a mod just deleted the others they saw

Let's put that theory to the test: https://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5286455.html

https://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5290208.html

[MoparMiningLLC]

You know what I am getting from this? Instead of being thankful and being concise and to the point - we should make our thank you posts full of bullshit and fluffy spam so that they don't get deleted....

in fact, some of the posts deleted are not even simple "thank you" posts - some are longer but simply start off with "thank you"

Collectibles is a bit different than the rest of the forums when it comes to someone saying thanks - now if it was someone who did not participate in the raffle - maybe that would be terms for deletion. But what was done here was stupidity - I see it simply as a means to ensure some lazy mod gets paid. And by lazy - I do not necessarily mean they do nothing but that that what they are doing is being done lazily - without actually understanding what is being done - simple "hey they said thank you - delete that fucking spam!" - is maybe suitable elsewhere on the forums but it is not that cut/dry here in collectibles.

And if they do not understand that - then they should not be moderating this area of the forums. Let them get paid for deleting spam elsewhere.

If you want the Collectibles board to have a special status, petition the administration for said status. Until such status is granted or at least til the administration instructs me to handle these cases differently, I'll treat it as any other board.

special status? no. I just want moderators that are not ignorant. Following cookie cutter ideas/concepts and trying to apply that same concept to everything is just a sign of ignorance. To moderate should require an IQ above that of a corpse.

[mprep]

You know what I am getting from this? Instead of being thankful and being concise and to the point - we should make our thank you posts full of bullshit and fluffy spam so that they don't get deleted....

in fact, some of the posts deleted are not even simple "thank you" posts - some are longer but simply start off with "thank you"

Collectibles is a bit different than the rest of the forums when it comes to someone saying thanks - now if it was someone who did not participate in the raffle - maybe that would be terms for deletion. But what was done here was stupidity - I see it simply as a means to ensure some lazy mod gets paid. And by lazy - I do not necessarily mean they do nothing but that that what they are doing is being done lazily - without actually understanding what is being done - simple "hey they said thank you - delete that fucking spam!" - is maybe suitable elsewhere on the forums but it is not that cut/dry here in collectibles.

And if they do not understand that - then they should not be moderating this area of the forums. Let them get paid for deleting spam elsewhere.

If you want the Collectibles board to have a special status, petition the administration for said status. Until such status is granted or at least til the administration instructs me to handle these cases differently, I'll treat it as any other board.

special status? no. I just want moderators that are not ignorant. Following cookie cutter ideas/concepts and trying to apply that same concept to everything is just a sign of ignorance. To moderate should require an IQ above that of a corpse.

How, from a non-emotional and non-biased perspective, is someone posting a "thanks" for being able to participate in a raffle different from someone posting a "thanks" for an interesting post, good advice or some other action that the poster feels like it deserves gratitude? Because posts that can be boiled down to "thanks", "wow" and similar short phrases without really losing anything are already being deleted forum-wide.

Also, real classy move calling me stupid just because you disagree with the way I moderate.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I'd advise mods (especially mprep) to delete all my posts containing a "thank you", thus bringing me back to my Member (maximum Full Member) rank where I belong! Considering that I am a polite person, very, very many posts of mine contain these words. As a consequence, deleting them all would ruin my activity points, therefore I'd probably end up being a Member and Full Member again. In case of need, I think LoyceV could give a hand and point out exactly all my posts containing the act of Lèse-majesté forbidden words, thus mods could easily delete them all.

I hope this helps and I also hope that I'll be ranked again where I actually deserve, after deleting all my posts where, among other things, I was polite to someone, thanking him / her for one or other reason.

[suchmoon]

The attachment of some users to their own posts is quite comical TBH. If you get posts deleted by mods ask yourself:

1) Did you comply with all rules, even the ones that you don't like?
2) Do these posts bring value to the forum?
3) Does deleting these posts harm the forum?

If you can honestly answer "YES" to all questions then perhaps you could re-post - creating threads asking about deleted posts should be the last resort after you've read an re-read the rules and can't possibly imagine why your masterpiece could have been deleted - but 99% of the time you're probably just being dishonest. Considering how much garbage is not being deleted I would say mods are extremely lenient.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I'd advise mods (especially mprep) to delete all my posts containing a "thank you", thus bringing me back to my Member (maximum Full Member) rank where I belong

I forgot to mention: additionally, if my posts containing gratitude words also received merits, I vouch for having also those merits deleted, as it is obvious that I only spammed the forum with the respective posts. And it would look ridiculous to receive merits for spam, right? This way, true justice would be made, at least in my case: leave me with 15 merits and 20 posts. We all must work together to keep the forum clean!

[MoparMiningLLC]

You know what I am getting from this? Instead of being thankful and being concise and to the point - we should make our thank you posts full of bullshit and fluffy spam so that they don't get deleted....

in fact, some of the posts deleted are not even simple "thank you" posts - some are longer but simply start off with "thank you"

Collectibles is a bit different than the rest of the forums when it comes to someone saying thanks - now if it was someone who did not participate in the raffle - maybe that would be terms for deletion. But what was done here was stupidity - I see it simply as a means to ensure some lazy mod gets paid. And by lazy - I do not necessarily mean they do nothing but that that what they are doing is being done lazily - without actually understanding what is being done - simple "hey they said thank you - delete that fucking spam!" - is maybe suitable elsewhere on the forums but it is not that cut/dry here in collectibles.

And if they do not understand that - then they should not be moderating this area of the forums. Let them get paid for deleting spam elsewhere.

If you want the Collectibles board to have a special status, petition the administration for said status. Until such status is granted or at least til the administration instructs me to handle these cases differently, I'll treat it as any other board.

special status? no. I just want moderators that are not ignorant. Following cookie cutter ideas/concepts and trying to apply that same concept to everything is just a sign of ignorance. To moderate should require an IQ above that of a corpse.

How, from a non-emotional and non-biased perspective, is someone posting a "thanks" for being able to participate in a raffle different from someone posting a "thanks" for an interesting post, good advice or some other action that the poster feels like it deserves gratitude? Because posts that can be boiled down to "thanks", "wow" and similar short phrases without really losing anything are already being deleted forum-wide.

Also, real classy move calling me stupid just because you disagree with the way I moderate.

I did not call anyone stupid - simply stated that to moderate requires thought and a functioning brain - if you have those, then my statement does not apply to you.

As for your question:

How, from a non-emotional and non-biased perspective, is someone posting a "thanks" for being able to participate in a raffle different from someone posting a "thanks" for an interesting post


Simple - the people that participated often in these raffles have paid to be part of the raffle or are partaking in a raffle where the participants pay nothing and the host is the one incurring the cost of gifting the item - often including free shipping. There is tangible - real world objects at stake with these raffles. Sometimes, the value can be quite high - take for example the last raffle involving the silver Litecoin wallet/block. The crypto value is 12.5 LTC, then add the value of the silver content - this is not a simple post of an "interesting" topic.

People posting "thanks" on an interesting topic, have put nothing into it. They simply read it.

That is why if someone is going to moderate the collectibles area, they need to understand that a blanket policy simply does not work.

[LoyceV]

I'd advise mods (especially mprep) to delete all my posts containing a "thank you"

Some of my posts have it too, but (like yours) it's part of a bigger post. I post weekly thank you posts in this topic, but it's more than just "thanks" and that thread often gets derailed about time travel and flux capacitors anyway.


My opinion: In general, just saying "thanks" is insubstantial. I've reported posts like that many times, but probably not on the Collectibles board. I usually don't report them either when it's a Newbie posting what looks like a sincere thank you on the Technical boards. I can imagine it seems unfriendly if a Newbie gets his post deleted when he was just happy because he found the solution to his problem.
I've seen forums where it was actually recommended to thank users who solve something for you. It's being polite and (in my opinion) justified in certain cases.

Just a thought: a count down timer to self-delete a post would be a nice feature. Post "Thank you so much for doing this!", click "auto-delete in 24 hours", and in the corner of the posts a count down appears. For Mods it's obvious it isn't spam and will clean itself, and the user gets to say thanks without sending an unsolicited PM.

[Renampun]

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Just a thought: a count down timer to self-delete a post would be a nice feature. Post "Thank you so much for doing this!", click "auto-delete in 24 hours", and in the corner of the posts a count down appears. For Mods it's obvious it isn't spam and will clean itself, and the user gets to say thanks without sending an unsolicited PM.

yep for me, this is a good idea/concept...
providing an "auto-delete in 24 hours" option on a comment can be made a feature here *in the future, so that misunderstandings like this don't happen again.