Newbies/Jr members please don't beg for merits.

[Taskford]

For newbies and Jr members out there please stop begging for merits to any users here since instead of ranking up you will possibly get a red trust from the other user since begging is been discourage.

Just do a pure effort to have a healthy discussion and became a good contributor here since the merit you want will follow if people see your post is merit worthy.

I receive a message today from a user see pic below.



For high ranking members If you see any newbies or Jr members please advise them the proper way to earn merits so that they can improve and became better member, reporting then cannot do anything good.

Hopefully newbies will take this advice/message and will not beg for anything here.

[AB de Royse777]

For newbies and Jr members out there please stop begging for merits to any users here since instead of ranking up you will possibly get a red trust from the other user since begging is been discourage.

If someone sends red tag for begging merit then he/she will not use the trust system properly in other words he/she does not know how to use the trust system. A neutral tag should be fine to aware others but red tag will be unjustified.

This does not mean that those who are after merits, now they start sending pms and beg for merits. When you beg for merit this makes your low and no one likes a low man.

[DdmrDdmr]

Strangely enough, that account was already a Jr. Member when you opened the message to capture the screenshot. He probably PM’d you, and received the desired merit over night – specifically at 04:56:24 AM (UTC) for this message content:

how much you have Windows 10 Professional - 50PC?

Not really worthy of Merit, and a bad example to follow.

But yes, asking for Merits is clearly discouraged, and some people do tag the account for that (I don’t, as the Trust System is not intended for that, but there are more than one criteria here to that effect).

[CryptocurencyKing]

It's just a matter of individual differences. No doubt, the pressure of merit often comes when, your very much close to switching to a higher rank but, your merit isn't adding up and so, you tend to beg but it's wrong, very wrong! Sometimes, these users have got to put themselves in the ranked up users shoes and think this way,
Supposing merit were just given anyhow,  what would become of the forum?
It would just be filled with users who has no idea of bitcoin and would end up spamming the forum and fill the forum with shit posts. You've got to go through the learning phase and merit ensures this and not to satisfy some selfish ignorant crypto troll.

Note: Begging for merit is prohibited and would only push you farther away from it. The ones you have cannot be taken from you but, you become an irritant to the user who is likely to avoid meriting your posts or report you or you become liable for a negative trust and these aren't funny. Let's work with the forum, it surely helps.

[Aske]

We can respond to quality content and keep activety， you'll  receive merit from them.

[Lucius]

Aside from negative/neutral feedback, some people (especially merit source) might get annoyed and decide to put you on ignore list, which means you'll never receive merit from them.

Or some will simply report such PMs to the admin, and then such a user might lose their account in the worst case - although I believe this would only happen if someone sent a fairly large number of PMs.

Has anyone reported such messages and is there any specific information on whether there are any sanctions?

[Pmalek]

Has anyone reported such messages and is there any specific information on whether there are any sanctions?

Begging for merits isn't against any of the unofficial forum rules as far as I know, so I don't think the admins would take any actions against such a user. If they were to send a whole batch of such PM messages they could be banned for PM spamming if reported by multiple users. Besides getting tagged, I don't see any other actions that could happen for the occasional merit begging PM. 

[lovesmayfamilis]

I also disagree that if I see a request for merit, then the account runs the risk of receiving a red trust
Having received PM there is an easier way out, it is called "inform the moderator" Since this message will fit the rule: "29. Sending unsolicited PMs, including but not limited to advertising and flood, is not allowed."

In general, if newbies take the time and read a few posts on this topic, then we can say that getting merit has become very simple today. It is worth rinsing your eyes a little and looking in the "Beginners & Help" section for the offers of the merit source themselves who give out merit for absolutely minute actions.

[friends1980]

I've recently received a PM from a user who was close to ranking up, and who proposed me to check out his posts and consider Meriting them. I did not find that problematic and I didn't interpret it as begging.

However, sending messages purely begging for Merit - meaning: without actually explaining why you would deserve Merit - will probably lead to me leaving (neutral) feedback on your profile, like this guy.

[Taskford]

This is just simple reminder to newbies since their account might at risk to anything can harm them since we don't know what will came to the minds of other DT members if they receive the same pm asking for merit, so maybe it's best for anyone to not do it and simply do a healthy discussion which can make them worthy for the merit ask.

Anyways hopefully there are people who can learn about this since for sure there are other newbies who's desperate to get a merit.

[bakasabo]

Begging for merits isn't against any of the unofficial forum rules as far as I know, so I don't think the admins would take any actions against such a user.

What is the difference begging merits and begging for something else ? I just found these rules, and according to them it is not allowed.

Forum rules

7. No begging. [5]

[abdulodoi]

This user have been here since 2019 but didn't earn even 1 merit, probably didn't read the forum rules and guides on how to earn merit on the forum. He also probably earned that 1 merit through PMing another user just before your screenshot.

Since the user mentioned he/she is active on forum sales hence had no idea how to earn merit. A user like this should be pointed to the right direction as he/she probably isn't aware of how to use the search option. I do think if people are really serious about being a contributor here they would diligently contribute and earn merit. Unless the user has another motive, he/she need to focus on learning here as majority of us are.

[BIT-BENDER]

Received a few private message where the senders where begging for merit, some of the message with different partners but had that merit begging instinct, when a newbie think they are lost, under the bus or not capable, I give few advice and point out to look for your strength -what your speck in the forum is- then go to work on it.
Don't beg for merit, instead beg for knowledge, because in time you would see thats where merit lay.

[yemight600]

I think much more than rank, their are a lot to gain from the more experienced members of the forum. I've been here for more than a year and I have no merit (which I have no plan to beg for). I know it's because I haven't probably merit it. But the point is newbies should focus on what is more important than the less important ones.  Their are lot of things to gain in the forum which is far more important than merit or rank... I'm always happy and full of joy whenever I see higher members responding to a topic because you see them making points from different perspectives and this way, the newbies acquire more knowledge which is more than  rank.

[pawanjain]

I think much more than rank, their are a lot to gain from the more experienced members of the forum. I've been here for more than a year and I have no merit (which I have no plan to beg for). I know it's because I haven't probably merit it. But the point is newbies should focus on what is more important than the less important ones.  Their are lot of things to gain in the forum which is far more important than merit or rank... I'm always happy and full of joy whenever I see higher members responding to a topic because you see them making points from different perspectives and this way, the newbies acquire more knowledge which is more than  rank.

Meriting you because you being a newbie are selflessly talking about how to not beg for merits.
Newbies should keep this in mind that you will earn merit only when you develop yourself.
You will only be able to develop yourself when you learn what bitcoin and blockchain is about.
It's not about earning profits but about how the revolutionary technology has the potential to change the financial system.

@yemight600 One thing I would like to advise you is that I have noticed you keep joining bounties.
Although that's not wrong, you will be more benefited when you learn more about bitcoin and start contributing towards the forum.
Not only you but this is for every newbie and beginner to bitcoin. Start learning, Start contributing and you will never have to worry about merits.

[yemight600]

I think much more than rank, their are a lot to gain from the more experienced members of the forum. I've been here for more than a year and I have no merit (which I have no plan to beg for). I know it's because I haven't probably merit it. But the point is newbies should focus on what is more important than the less important ones.  Their are lot of things to gain in the forum which is far more important than merit or rank... I'm always happy and full of joy whenever I see higher members responding to a topic because you see them making points from different perspectives and this way, the newbies acquire more knowledge which is more than  rank.

Meriting you because you being a newbie are selflessly talking about how to not beg for merits.
Newbies should keep this in mind that you will earn merit only when you develop yourself.
You will only be able to develop yourself when you learn what bitcoin and blockchain is about.
It's not about earning profits but about how the revolutionary technology has the potential to change the financial system.

@yemight600 One thing I would like to advise you is that I have noticed you keep joining bounties.
Although that's not wrong, you will be more benefited when you learn more about bitcoin and start contributing towards the forum.
Not only you but this is for every newbie and beginner to bitcoin. Start learning, Start contributing and you will never have to worry about merits.

Firstly, I should thank you for the kind gesture. I really appreciate that a lot.
Yeah you're right. I've been focusing on what is important (bounty) while ignoring what is even more important. I guess that's why I haven't move more than this.  This is a big lesson for me because I've learnt my lesson (in hard way though) and I wouldn't want anyone to fall victim like I did. This is why I always want to be more active in newbies forum so I can learn and also pass knowledge because I'm no less than one myself. Thanks for the advise it really means a lot. And that thank you for the merit too (it's equally important)

[DavidPham]

Mostly people want it to join the signature and bounty campaign. One part wants it to create trust for others in currency exchanges(In this case I think feedback is of more importance.)

[Daniel91]

For newbies and Jr members out there please stop begging for merits to any users here since instead of ranking up you will possibly get a red trust from the other user since begging is been discourage.

Just do a pure effort to have a healthy discussion and became a good contributor here since the merit you want will follow if people see your post is merit worthy.

I receive a message today from a user see pic below.



For high ranking members If you see any newbies or Jr members please advise them the proper way to earn merits so that they can improve and became better member, reporting then cannot do anything good.

Hopefully newbies will take this advice/message and will not beg for anything here.

Can't agree more with you.
In the past I started several merit giveaway topics for newbies in the beginners section but couldn't find many good candidates.
After closing those topics, I received several unwanted private messages in which newbies begged me for merits.
I didn’t give them a negative or neutral trust but I will think about it next time.
Newbie members should learn how to be patient and how to raise the quality of their forum posts.

[Renampun]

Mostly people want it to join the signature and bounty campaign. One part wants it to create trust for others in currency exchanges(In this case I think feedback is of more importance.)

those who begging for 'merit' are for the sole purpose of seeking profit...
I am sure that the new low-level members who just joined this forum deliberately signed up to this forum because they heard from other people that this forum can make money from bounty programs or selling services, their way is wrong. if want to move up the rankings or get 'merit' then make a quality post.

[AhmadM]

Mostly people want it to join the signature and bounty campaign. One part wants it to create trust for others in currency exchanges(In this case I think feedback is of more importance.)

Indeed most newcomers that come to this forum want to rank up for that purpose although there's no much campaign which accepts jr members. In regards to currency exchange with the others I think having jr member or higher rank doesn't immediately increase the people trust on you and as you said before feedback is the most important in this case, it's worthless if you have lots of negative feedback even though you are in a high rank.

However begging for merits is the wrong way to rank up no matter whats the reason behind it.