TESTING- Submersing paper wallets printed on water proof papers

[Evilish]

If I were to write down on these papers with a ballpoint pen or sharpie how would that behave under water? I am wondering if I should get a couple of these to write down my seed phrases.

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[krogoth]

If I were to write down on these papers with a ballpoint pen or sharpie how would that behave under water? I am wondering if I should get a couple of these to write down my seed phrases.

  If you notice I wrote some wording on the first wallet I made over a month ago with a regular ballpen and nothing happened tp the ink so far.

  I am sure you will find water proof pens out there that are better.

[Dabs]

What I did have to do is laminate the QR code first then pour the resin, which heats up quite a bit. And I recommend doing it outdoors as the fumes can be quite strong.

Laminate does the same thing, but Elmer's glue is what the artists have used to "seal the paper"... that should also work for thermally printed paper wallets. I think if you try to laminate thermal paper, it's going to go all black on you because of the heat required.

[krogoth]

What I did have to do is laminate the QR code first then pour the resin, which heats up quite a bit. And I recommend doing it outdoors as the fumes can be quite strong.

Laminate does the same thing, but Elmer's glue is what the artists have used to "seal the paper"... that should also work for thermally printed paper wallets. I think if you try to laminate thermal paper, it's going to go all black on you because of the heat required.

   The laminate I used just before I poured the epoxy was the glue on type, not heated, and that's to protect the paper from getting soaked by the epoxy.

   Never tested it with any of these papers I am testing now, so was using normal paper.

[krogothmanhattan]

Took out papers and scanned. Also took pic for the record all laying next to each other.

As you can see, Terra slate paper, Revlar and Ritnrain's Duracopy are in perfect condition...all scanned and are intact

Ritneintherain all weather paper is soggy and yellowing a bit on the edges, but it still in good shape to read the qr codes.

The regular ink I used to mark Terra slate is also intact.

Paper out for less than a minute and all were immersed back in the water right away

[krogothmanhattan]

Took out papers and scanned. Also took pic for the record all laying next to each other.

As you can see, Terra slate paper, Revlar and Ritnrain's Duracopy are in perfect condition...all scanned and are intact

Ritnrain all weather paper is soggy and yellowing a bit on the edges, able to read the QR but turning too brownish..so removed from water

The regular ink I used to mark Terra slate is also intact.

Paper out for less than a minute and all were immersed back in the water right away.

[Ticked]

Late to this and I didn't read the thread, but I have been using a laser printer with vellum paper. This is not simply ink on paper.  The heat of the printing process actually bonds the graphite & vellum into one unit. I tested a qr code by leaving it in water for a week & also in rubbing alcohol. Scratching is impossible as well. Just some food for thought. I've been using this method for many years and recently peeled a 5 year old wallet showing no degradation and an easy scan.

[krogothmanhattan]

19th July 2021 Tested....read QR Terra, Revlar and Duracopy...changed water

All still good

[krogothmanhattan]

4th Ocotober.........Tested....read QR Terra, Revlar and Duracopy...changed water

All still good  

This test will be almost a year on the 2nd of December!  

[MoparMiningLLC]

I use the revlar myself and quite satisfied with it so far.

[krogoth]

I use the revlar myself and quite satisfied with it so far.

  Yes...they are all good imo....I have used all samples sent to me...but when I ran out I bought more Terra.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I use the revlar myself and quite satisfied with it so far.

  Yes...they are all good imo....I have used all samples sent to me...but when I ran out I bought more Terra.

daveF sent me some revlar to test - after that I simply just bought more from amazon. do you see any advantage of one over the other?

[krogoth]

I use the revlar myself and quite satisfied with it so far.

  Yes...they are all good imo....I have used all samples sent to me...but when I ran out I bought more Terra.

daveF sent me some revlar to test - after that I simply just bought more from amazon. do you see any advantage of one over the other?

    Lol....I got some revlar thru DaveF as well. No I do not see any difference...it's just that I started with Terra pack and just out of pure habit went with Terra. They all are doing great in the water test!

[MoparMiningLLC]

I use the revlar myself and quite satisfied with it so far.

  Yes...they are all good imo....I have used all samples sent to me...but when I ran out I bought more Terra.

daveF sent me some revlar to test - after that I simply just bought more from amazon. do you see any advantage of one over the other?

    Lol....I got some revlar thru DaveF as well. No I do not see any difference...it's just that I started with Terra pack and just out of pure habit went with Terra. They all are doing great in the water test!

good to know. thanks!

[krogoth]

Well its been a year since I started this water test on water proof papers and the QR codes for paper wallets made.

Everything works fine and nothing has changed since I started in 2020. Will continue the test and place the water submerged papers back in the shed and see what comes out of it down the line.

[bavicrypto]

Well its been a year since I started this water test on water proof papers and the QR codes for paper wallets made.

Everything works fine and nothing has changed since I started in 2020. Will continue the test and place the water submerged papers back in the shed and see what comes out of it down the line.

Interesting test krogo, some impressive lab results you got there!

[bitbollo]

I appreciate such kind of experiments... in Italy some stamp collectors use "Gasoline" (a specific type used for Zippo lighter) since it's easy to evaporate and ... protect the stamps from mushrooms/stains etc.
no it doesn't work for "all stamps" and I have a couple of exceptions 

In this case @OP personally I think it's probably interesting also know:
- salts? minerals? ph?! of the water? (E.G I mean if you use sea water is the same result?!)
- same temperature of the water during the whole experiment? (E.G. What happens with higher temperature?!)
- there is the risk that paper get damage? (E.G what happens if/when paper "touch" the vials or other paper?!)

[krogoth]

I appreciate such experiments... in Italy some stamp collectors use "Gasoline" (a specific type used for Zippo lighter) since it's easy to evaporate and ... protect the stamps from mushrooms/stains etc.

In this case @OP personally I think it's probably interesting also know:
- salts? minerals? ph?! of the water? (E.G I mean if you use sea water is the same result?!)
- same temperature of the water during the whole experiment? (E.G. What happens with higher temperature?!)
- there is the risk that paper get damage? (E.G what happens if/when paper "touch" the vials or other paper?!)

  Some very good points... the whole point of the exercise was to see if my paper wallets using these papers would still be readable if exposed to water.

  Yes there are many variables, but I I only used tap water which I change one a month or so to prevent microbes,mold or algae from forming.

  I wish I had the time...PATIENCE( ) and tools to do those experiments as well...maybe when I retire some day  

  I use the Terra paper on all my products and am very pleased with these results.In case any of my products ever get exposed to water, at least they will not smear the ink or turn into paper mush.

   Thanks for the input though.

  And as for stamps, I have heard people using lighter fluid to expose the watermark. What I do to protect my stamp collection is buy silica gel packets to keep humidity low and also place in an airtight container as well.

[bitbollo]

awesome idea an experiment like that, mine was just a suggestion... nothing more.
It's not everyday matter find some one that is doing "experiment" with printed paper  thank you for the idea!

definitely , the main reason people use lighter fluid (also called in Italy as "benzina avio") is watermark exposition.
it doesn't work every time, and seriously I have damaged in that way a couple of old italian stamps. (now are "transparent").

If there is not a damage, Effectively it helps against stains other dirty stuff like microbes etc etc on surface.

some collectors have explained that when you use this product it's like a way for "killing" / "sterilizing" the paper itself. there are 2 explanations (scientific speaking):

- it create a small layer that protect the stamp. (it means also for the future you're protect against these stain etc etc).
- it works like an antibiotics ( yes I mean, probably lighter fluid can be considered just as ....a disinfectant).

about using "different" condition, it's just because ... it's science, it's like a discovery... as you seen even using just lighter fluid, starting from exposing watermarks now they have find a way to protect old stamp from external agent.

[krogothmanhattan]

20th March  2022 Tested....read QR Terra, Revlar and Duracopy...changed water. Still good! Way past a year now submersed. Amazing paper. Glad I use the Terra all the time for the Priv keys